KelliH and others Banned? Why?

[nicolai]

seven of the people you posted i do not know or really do not care to hear from in the first place.
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Why, are you too good for them or us? If you are in this for the reptiles or the people why wouldn't you want to know everyone and have move friends in this community. Do they not meet your criteria or something? Maybe your too good for these people, is that it??
I personally want to try and meet and talk with everyone, everyone has something to offer one way or another. i am not too good for anyone and you Robin are not better then the 7 people you are so condescending of!!!

 

[robin d.]

Yeah. Right. Innocent again, eh?

Here is a screen shot of when "Glenn" registered here:

June 4, 2006

So "he" has been a lurker for a "long time" and just coincidentally when Marcia got involved in starting that thread over on Kelli's site, decides to register HERE. Obviously Marcia does not talk to her "husband" and he did not know about the controversy going on, I guess.

Then on June 15th, again oblivious to what has been going on, just out of the clear blue sky posts his observation in that "lurker" thread. And then, just as coincidentally, word of this post gets to Marcia (who, of course has not only been oblivious to her "husband's" post as he is oblivious to the controversy she has kicked up with her "human failings") and friends and within minutes they ALL coincidentally decide to post the positive karma points.

Yep, I believe it. Looks like the halos are all still intact above your heads.

But tell me, when are you all going to just grow up? I don't go to Kelli's site to try to inflict damage there so what the hell are you coming here for? Rhetorical question, I know.

Now, let's clear the air a bit about the roots of this entire conflict.

And as for Kelli, this whole situation revolved around Chris Johnson and his actions which I took exception to. And obviously some of her "friends" have chosen to make a religious crusade out of it. Here is the original email I sent to Kelli after Chris took a private message from me to try to get him to tone down what appeared to me and others as a campaign on HIS part for his own reasons:



And I do need to interject this comment here about the timing of this whole incident. When Hayden was killed, I didn't know a thing about it until I was trying to catch up on my stack of several hundred emails from getting back from one of the rare mini vacations my wife and I take. I had been away for 4 days of so, just rolled in the door and find all this going on. Anyone who works with live animals, especially right at the onset of egg hatching knows what it is like, and quite honestly, although it was certainly a tragic event that I was told about, quite honestly, I just could not devote all, or even a large portion, of my attention towards it. So there were PMs and emails flying every which way while I am just trying to get everything back together here from being away and preparing for hatching season. So no, I really don't know the exact sequence of events that took place, or at least don't remember them because I had necessary things in my own life that needed attending to. This is just a fyi that needs to be made to put some things into perspective.

Yeah at the time, I certainly did have my doubts that maybe I was just reading Chris wrong. Yes he was, in my opinion, extremely aggressive, abusive to others, and 100 percent gung ho in promoting his business and new website. And he did purchase a LOT of advertising on my site in that pursuit, so there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that he was keenly intent on promoting his business in any way possible.

So what this all boils down to is that you (Kelli) are all saying that there just is no way possible that Chris was not doing this with even a moderate amount of his own best interests at heart. It was COMPLETELY and 100 percent unselfish and absolutely altruistic in every sense of the word. To which I say "bullsnot". Especially after events recently have unfolded about Chris, which I seriously doubt ANY of you cannot be cognizant of, for you to still adhere to that position is absolutely nonsensical. From all appearances, based on the information presented on that thread in the BOI about Chris Johnson, he has scammed MANY people with absolutely no regard whatsoever for their feelings nor concern over their hardships. And here you are claiming "Oh no! Chris would NEVER have done that sort of thing when it comes to Kelli!" Again, bullsnot. In my opinion, he saw a golden opportunity to take advantage of a situation and use it as a springboard to drive traffic to his own fledgling message board site. Anyone who thinks he was not smart enough or quick enough on the upswing to recognize that opportunity when it presented itself is either being extremely naive or just plain flat out lying to themselves.

So really what it all boils down to is that the hatred and ill will that is being projected towards me, this site, Lucille, and others ALL stems from this one incident where Kelli, Marcia, Robin, and others are quite frankly choosing sides in to believe Chris Johnson over this side of the equation. And regardless of what recent past events have shown in black and white and irrefutable proof, YOU all still chose to cling to your now dark hearted and baseless beliefs. Why? Because it just feels good?

Kelli, I was NOT responsible for the death of your child. I had nothing at all to do with that. I know you need someone to hate and rail against because of the cards fate dealt to you, but I am NOT that one. I never did anything to harm you. Who was the one who brought this to you? Maybe some day you will be able to pull out of this destructive unreasoning hatred you have in your heart, but with your "friends" with their own hatred filled hearts standing by your side whispering their own hatred filled thoughts in your ears, I seriously doubt you are strong enough to break out of what you are trapped in.

You created your own website in anger. You did so because of hatred in your heart because of your own perceived wrongs inflicted upon you by me and this site. Your intentions were to try to harm me and this site with your actions. You were and apparently are not doing this with any real good intentions whatsoever. You just wanted to hurt ME because of this forced ignorance of the truth of the situation that has become a home for your mind. You allowed that thread that Marcia created on your site to go on with your rooting for the derogatory trash being spouted there and putting your own hate laced two cents in as well.

I cannot change the way you think or feel. All I can do is to present the facts and you can either deal with it or not. I believe you have fixated on the good that did come from the auctions held by Chris and because of that good, have chosen to completely ignore the fact that he had his own self interested stake in it too and USED you for his own purposes. I chose to call him down on it, even recognizing the tiger I was grabbing by the tail. And because of my recognizing that purpose and his then making it a PUBLIC issue, again to further his own purposes, you have chosen to make me the bad guy for it.

So over THIS you have decided to just fill your heart with hatred and refuse to let go of it even when the facts are just staring you in the face.

Very well then, Kelli. You just go ahead and believe whatever the hell it is you want to believe for your own personal reasons. And take your "friends" with you as well.

you have the audasity to say that kelli is blaming you for haydens death. his death and you have nothing to do with each other. and i called you to discuss this and YOU send defensive on ME while i am trying to remain calm and professional and levelheaded and mention something about "well if you want to take the gloves off ..."
you sure can speak big about crap behind that big ol screen of your tey don't have the spine to actually converse with somnone RATIONALLY over the phone without YOU getting bent out of shape, over reactings and hanging up on the phone. real professional rich. stay behind that screen and talk all the trash you want but try and talk via the phone and i would assume to your face and you reacted in a scared, rude and defensive manner. very "professional" haning up the phone" i never said one rude thing to you there not once. if you would like to be reminded with a voice clip i can provide it, since i was calling from my PC.

you are beging to act like lucile and make everything about you .. sorry rich but this world does not revolve around your little fauna world.

 

[nicolai]

- Last, the 'list' of good folks here on Fauna's Leopard Gecko Forum is accurate! One of the factors that makes them good folks is that they got started with geckos because of advise and experience from Kelli, myself, and others.

Vanity Marcia....Vanity!!!!!!!!!

 

[robin d.]

yes marcia is vain ... she is justified in the fact that she is good and she knows it

 

[hill4803]

Not vanity Nick, just the truth. And I think you should say your sorry to Robin for that comment...she hasn't stepped out of line and you just can't keep up...Now say your sorry!

And Bobby, once again you amaze me with your lack of reading comprehension. I am sure that noone on Nick's list actually thinks they are as well-known and as well respected as Kelli & Marcia. I chat or post with most of those folks, good people, but not in the same league as HISS & GGG. Although most of them have some nice geckos and interesting projects...not as experienced as Kelli & Marcia. Take those statements and run with them Bobby! Once again I would like to let everyone know I AM NOT RELATED TO BOBBY!

 

[varnyard]

You know, it seems that 'speculation' is a favorite pastime for many of you here on Fauna. I really don't know why I am compelled to even post again, but when you all start scouring my website for names to drag into this mess, I have no other option.

It is a mess that was started by you, and Kelli. Don't leave that part out.

- First of all, my husband's name is Glenn Haugh, and as far as I know there is no crime in him registering and posting his opinion on ANY forum he chooses. Yes, we do share the same PC and laptop with the same ISP.

Yea, he made that known in his post, or maybe not. Anyway, what was his motives? Maybe using this site to recruit members for your site. Sorry, we call that bad pool, at best.

- Secondly, my maiden name is Marcia McGuiness. I like that name... it was the one I was born with. There is no law or requirement for a woman to assume her husband's name when they marry.

We know your name well, and exactly what it is now known for.

- Thirdly, my credentials as a Minister are none of anyone's business, unless I will be performing your wedding, baptising your child, or delivering a eulogy for one of your deceased family members. Your libelous speculation and accusations are nothing more than a transparent attempt to taunt.

You brought it up, now you don't want to talk about the bad morals, how nice!!

- Fourth, my husband works 10-12 hours a day. Alan Joe is a Chinese-American high school student that helps me clean enclosures and keep records of weights, ID#'s, etc. on photo days. Daniel Vega takes care of my animals for me when I am in the hospital, sick, or on the rare occasions when I get to go on a vacation. FYI, I am disabled and need help sometimes. Please don't drag them into this.

You keep draging yourself back here, sorry if you don't like the warm welcome.

- Last, the 'list' of good folks here on Fauna's Leopard Gecko Forum is accurate! One of the factors that makes them good folks is that they got started with geckos because of advise and experience from Kelli, myself, and others. I'm sure if you did a search for all of their posts (since you all have so much time on your hands) you will surely see that it has only been in the past couple of years they have been keeping geckos, and the source of much of their information came from US... right here on Fauna.

So you are the great teacher of everyone that owns a gecko, well I am sure there are plenty of people reading this that can see what you mean by this.

So... unless a crime has been committed, why don't you all use your spare time and all your energy to help all the newbies on this website get off to a good start?

No crimes, maybe poor actions, but no crimes.

There will always be plenty of people to help newbies, bet on it.

 

[robin d.]

seven of the people you posted i do not know or really do not care to hear from in the first place.
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Why, are you too good for them or us? If you are in this for the reptiles or the people why wouldn't you want to know everyone and have move friends in this community. Do they not meet your criteria or something? Maybe your too good for these people, is that it??
I personally want to try and meet and talk with everyone, everyone has something to offer one way or another. i am not too good for anyone and you Robin are not better then the 7 people you are so condescending of!!!

naw it's either people i dont't know, do not trust (for reasons) the accuracy of the advice they give or pepople in which i am indifferent and could take them or leave them. it's not that i am too good for anyone, i just have valid reasons for those people.

 

[varnyard]

yes marcia is vain ... she is justified in the fact that she is good and she knows it

Robin, we know your thoughts on this. You allready stated there are no Good gecko people here. You don't need to keep throwing it in their faces.

 

[robin d.]

Because thats when I reported it, i thought it was out of place. So blame me. I dont like when peole feel the need to bash any site no matter which one it is!!!!!!!!!!!!

and why post it in THIS thread praytel? because it doesnt have anything to do with it, does it?

 

[hill4803]

Hmmm...Hey Bobby...just like Griz you seem to have some misunderstanding about what "Inc." means. I can't seem to find "varnyard herps INC." registered with the state of Florida. Perhaps you can help me understand how someone with such high regard for the truth and unblemished morals can call his "company" incorporated when it seems to lack that very specific requirement of being registered AND INCORPORATED. Exactly how long have you been in "business"?

 

[robin d.]

We know your name well, and exactly what it is now known for.

oh so i assume you also know she got her name as a highly sought after and reviered chemical engineer as well?
wopw you sure to know allot about her hmmm

 

[varnyard]

Not vanity Nick, just the truth. And I think you should say your sorry to Robin for that comment...she hasn't stepped out of line and you just can't keep up...Now say your sorry!

No, she is way out of line!! She made it quite clear that in her opinion there are no good gecko people here. That speaks volumes. Ro, do try to keep up.

And Bobby, once again you amaze me with your lack of reading comprehension. I am sure that noone on Nick's list actually thinks they are as well-known and as well respected as Kelli & Marcia.

Respected for back biting? That funny!! They might be well known for geckos, but now known for much, much more.

I chat or post with most of those folks, good people, but not in the same league as HISS & GGG. Although most of them have some nice geckos and interesting projects...not as experienced as Kelli & Marcia. Take those statements and run with them Bobby! Once again I would like to let everyone know

Ro, you done that on your own. The League of back biters, if thats the winning team. I would tend to take up a different sport.

I AM NOT RELATED TO BOBBY!

I will agree 100%.

 

[Laura Fopiano]

Wtf!!!

This has become the most ridiculous set of insults and innuendo's that I have witnessed in a very long time! So Marcia's husband posted one time and got rep for it...big woop!! He may have even had ulterior motives for it...again big woop!!
I am not a gecko person though I have owned them in the past and this sight is not only about geckos....So Kelli starts her own sight hat revolves around her passion and her love...geckos.

I have spoken with Kelli twice on the phone and you know what, she is a mother, wife, friend, and business woman! She is a lovely human being that I am very glad took a risk to call me! I have no hidden agenda, no ax to grind, and no ill will towards the members of this sight or hers....and that is probably why she decided to call me.

Tomorrow is the anniversary of one of the worst days in her life....so I humbly ask all of you to please put aside your differences for a moment and think about you would feel, it it were you? Take a moment to reflect on what you have and how you would feel if it was stripped away in an instant!!

 

[hill4803]

I'm keeping up just fine Bobby. Go back and read my last post an answer the question. Or you can just disappear for awhile and hope it goes away.

 

[nicolai]

You know who is going to suffer from all of this? All the new people getting into the hobby!! What an eaxmple we are setting for everyone in this thread, myself included i am sorry to say. I think its time we all took a good look in the mirror and thought about why it is we are here and why we are in this hobby.
if you peole enjoy kelli's site then enjoy it, if you enjoy this site then enjoy it. I intend to enjoy both and maybe someday everyone will rach the point where we can get past all this.


And robin i will be the man i hope i am, I am SORRY for saying that to you and feel it was out of line, I should have used a little more intelligence rather than hostility in my reply towards you. I hope you dont hold a moment of anger gainst me and hope that all of us here can move on and reember we are in this together for the reptiles and each others company.

 

[nicolai]

KelliH and others Banne... 06-20-2006 01:26 PM hill4803 wow, real mature...


Thanks for the negative Karma Rob!!!

 

[hill4803]

Tried to give you karma Nick, gotta spread some around it told me. I think that was a good post!

 

[hill4803]

Not ROB...

 

[Lucille]

This has think about you would feel, it it were you? Take a moment to reflect on what you have and how you would feel if it was stripped away in an instant!!

Laura:

Kelli has suffered one of the worst sorrows a human being can bear. For that, she has my sympathy. Kelli, I cannot imagine how it must be, to go through a loss like that. I am so very sorry for the tragedy that befell your family.

I believe that the current state of affairs may have evolved somehow, from what went down involving the Fund and Chris and so on. But it has taken a life of its own. The nastiness, the invective and derogatory crap I saw on Kelli's site has nothing to do with a mother's love.

I will not sit by and see this site trashed, because I respect Rich and all his work, past tragedy will not excuse present lack of integrity I saw in many posts there.

Tomorrow, I think it would be appropriate for each of us, no matter where we are and what sites we go to, to express our sorrow for Kelli's loss and to join hands for a moment in prayer.

 

[robin d.]

You know who is going to suffer from all of this? All the new people getting into the hobby!! What an eaxmple we are setting for everyone in this thread, myself included i am sorry to say. I think its time we all took a good look in the mirror and thought about why it is we are here and why we are in this hobby.
if you peole enjoy kelli's site then enjoy it, if you enjoy this site then enjoy it. I intend to enjoy both and maybe someday everyone will rach the point where we can get past all this.


And robin i will be the man i hope i am, I am SORRY for saying that to you and feel it was out of line, I should have used a little more intelligence rather than hostility in my reply towards you. I hope you dont hold a moment of anger gainst me and hope that all of us here can move on and reember we are in this together for the reptiles and each others company.

i have not had one moment of anger against you what so ever.