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Info Kelly Gottberg/KY Reptiles... I'd like your opinion?

Here are the texts, in order. Tom I can't believe you are making this thread about three different people. And why Christian was even brought into this. But hey whatever makes you look good right? I haven't contacted you in days, shoot since what Friday when you and John were planning a fight? Show me these childish rants you are getting from me. I have screen shots of you ranting about "jealous" AZ folk on your personal wall and your girl calling us names. So don't throw stones in a glass house. You're not much better in your childish rants. Here's the texts.

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Thank you Shelly. I honestly have no clue what caused this, and I want to. This prompted me to move another step thus far. Kelly told me this snake came from Christian Gonzalez in Tucson/Pythonidae Empire. I've seen his stuff, you've seen his stuff..... there is NO WAY he makes ROOKIE mistakes.... (I'd like to hear something from him in regards to that)

Now, she is blaming the 'scaring' on him, correct, if you read back in here, she says the Granite female came to her like this.... Let's see if Christian can confirm or deny this "lie."

And fwiw.. I was never disclosed ANY issues on this snake at all, and I could see nothing wrong with it at all that day in the parking lot. Still, nobody deserves a basket case animal unless they are doing a straight rescue of some type, which I don't do. I only buy mint, bulletproof stuff that is a fine example of it's being for future projects, I can't allow junk into my home.

Kelly - A receipt from a Vet is moot my friend, I dont' want/need anything from you. I have 2 that I call friends on speed dial, after a dozen years of doing this semi-pro, they are friends.... A Vet visit for me, from the one that WILL remain un-named, is a drop by at my house, if, you catch my drift. You can thank me for fixing that issue correctly, rather than just "dabbing Neosporin" on it. That wasn't working Kelly.

Let me say this again......

I don't want anything, I am trying to put this out there for the safety of the community on you.. And below is why:

1) You will pawn a 'basket case' animal off on someone else.. I wondered why there were no pics in your ads, and why they aren't advertised on these 'larger' sites..

2) You will 'talk' bad enough about the person that complains that you will get what I am going to dub, "The AZ Rat Pack" to ridicule, post, and continue, and continue, and continue like a group of school girls to no end. I am still getting childish emails, calls, and texts. I do believe that Samantha, Kaitlin, and Kelly are behind these childish rants, if you've seen the stuff on FB, there is no doubt.

3) My professional opinion on the "other" Granite I was gonna buy that day... You said she was 500 grams. You don't want my opinion on what I think she should have weighed... I'll just say she was 'under weight' and THAT, is why I left her with you. I wanted two of them, and had the cash for her w/o a doubt.

I've done my homework on each of you at this point, and, you three have provided me with all types of heartache and laughs over the past few days. I'm patient and a rather nice guy, so, I am going to now sit back and watch the three of you spin your webs and see where we are at in time. Time reveals all. I'd love to see this thread be an isolated incident, but I know that is a farce.

Samantha - YOU need to reach out to the Miller family. There, no 3rd party BS. :angry:

Kaitlin - You got it on not contacting you, I have never have, or had, and would never... you got nothing that interests me to be sweet, short and cordial. I sent you a PM to keep my name out of your rather large mouth, only after your repeated attempts to defame me with your Facebook drama posts. That was it. FWIW, your post making fun of an overpriced 530 gram Pastel female of my girlfriends at $400 being a 'rip-off' was the original ignition in all of this. I knew it was directly related to this incident. So, it was YOU that the community and Kelly owe praise to. Kudos on earning that title.

So, in the end. Let's see what Christian has to say, IF, the snake came from him, and, I wanna know how long ago that was that she got this from him.. I'm wondering if stuff gets a QT at Kell's place.

I have given you enough warnings. This is harassment and I'm going to the authorities.
 
I have no dog in this fight and never met or chatted with any involved parties but I think in all fairness that vet info should be posted.
 
I don't think anything posted on a public forum can really be considered harassment, as you have the capability to ignore it very easily.

Now if Tom is blowing up your phone or knocking on your door, that's another story.
 
I don't think anything posted on a public forum can really be considered harassment, as you have the capability to ignore it very easily.

Now if Tom is blowing up your phone or knocking on your door, that's another story.

The definition of harassment: a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented.

He has done nothing but torment me, post photos on his wall of what he says is me and his little girlfriend calling me things that aren't allowed to be posted on this forum which is a form of bullying and have been taken via screen shot of. I have asked him to stop and he has not. The police even define it as harassment.
 
I don't see harassment at all, maybe i'm tired..This thread feels like a food fight in the lunchroom.
 
I don't see harassment at all, maybe i'm tired..This thread feels like a food fight in the lunchroom.

I agree. He straight said in a previous post that this thread was up because of other people's "facebook posts". I don't understand how that validates an inquiry on Kelly. It's a bunch of nonsense and he has shown no proof of anything. Now he's done talking. Interesting.
 
I agree. He straight said in a previous post that this thread was up because of other people's "facebook posts". I don't understand how that validates an inquiry on Kelly. It's a bunch of nonsense and he has shown no proof of anything. Now he's done talking. Interesting.
This thread is posted to provide information that the OP feels others should be made aware of before considering doing business with Kelly. It's not an "inquiry". What does it matter 'why' he decided to post it? The fact that it was brought about by other people's involvement in the issue does nothing to negate the validity of this thread.

He's shown proof that the seller lied about the condition the snake was in when she first got it. He's proven that there was an undisclosed injury that the seller didn't even contest when he pointed it out to her at a later date. It's also been shown that either you or Kelly have lied about whether or not she knew of the mouth wound's existence. Yet you can't seem to see far enough past your friendship to notice any of that. Interesting.
 
He has done nothing but torment me, post photos on his wall of what he says is me and his little girlfriend calling me things that aren't allowed to be posted on this forum which is a form of bullying and have been taken via screen shot of. I have asked him to stop and he has not. The police even define it as harassment.

He posted things on HIS wall and that harassed you? His girlfriends calls you names, and HE is harassing you? He is bullying you? I know how addicting facebook can be. If you really are hurt by his wall though, I am afraid you are going to unfriend him. I am friends with him on facebook and all I see are lame memes, pictures of rats, fish, and ball pythons. He must have me blocked from seeing all the stuff he says about you. Maybe he has you listed as a close friend.
 
This thread is posted to provide information that the OP feels others should be made aware of before considering doing business with Kelly. It's not an "inquiry". What does it matter 'why' he decided to post it? The fact that it was brought about by other people's involvement in the issue does nothing to negate the validity of this thread.

He's shown proof that the seller lied about the condition the snake was in when she first got it. He's proven that there was an undisclosed injury that the seller didn't even contest when he pointed it out to her at a later date. It's also been shown that either you or Kelly have lied about whether or not she knew of the mouth wound's existence. Yet you can't seem to see far enough past your friendship to notice any of that. Interesting.

Please tell me how he has shown proof. The only proof he has is that facebook post saying the holes may have occured that day he bought her. You all say people make mistakes and that's a strange spot to look a snake over. So if it's okay Tom missed it as a buyer (who looked the snake over in the parking lot), how is Kelly supposed to see it?

"She was also dehydrated upon 'getting home' with her that day(30+ days ago)". So you're telling me in the 30 days he had this snake that the wound couldn't possibly happen in HIS care?

"I was never disclosed ANY issues on this snake at all, and I could see nothing wrong with it at all that day in the parking lot". He couldn't see anything wrong with her in the parking lot. So it took him about 25-27 days to notice the holes? The 12th is when he text Kelly. Three days ago, that's how I got my 25-27 day timeframe. Wouldn't you tell the seller the day you find it?? So he "found" it the 12th.
 
This appears to be another case of buyers remorse. Whenever you buy an animal in person you have to inspect for any visible flaws.

I also think the seller should have disclosed the holes on the bottom lip of the snake.

Does the seller have a TOS?
 
It isn't buyers remorse! Tom wants to keep the snake. He may have remorse about who he bought it from, but not that he bought it.
 
He posted things on HIS wall and that harassed you? His girlfriends calls you names, and HE is harassing you? He is bullying you? I know how addicting facebook can be. If you really are hurt by his wall though, I am afraid you are going to unfriend him. I am friends with him on facebook and all I see are lame memes, pictures of rats, fish, and ball pythons. He must have me blocked from seeing all the stuff he says about you. Maybe he has you listed as a close friend.
I'm not friends with him. Sam had to show me this. He couldn't even say it to my face. The photo was taken down by facebook for harassment but Sam saved the picture and the comments attached with print screen.
 
That looks like maybe the bottom teeth got caught on a food item and pulled in, and the top teeth caught the bottom "lip". It looks very similar.
 
Please tell me how he has shown proof. The only proof he has is that facebook post saying the holes may have occured that day he bought her. You all say people make mistakes and that's a strange spot to look a snake over. So if it's okay Tom missed it as a buyer (who looked the snake over in the parking lot), how is Kelly supposed to see it?
Well, since you seemingly jumped in half-cocked, before you and Kelly managed to get your stories straight, it certainly seems to me that the fact that you claimed she was treating the mouth wound, is more than enough to cast some serious doubt on her. I think the FB proof is all he really needs, though. She conceded that it may have happened in her care and didn't contest it in any way. I know, I know, it's the drugs talking.

A&S Reptiles said:
"She was also dehydrated upon 'getting home' with her that day(30+ days ago)". So you're telling me in the 30 days he had this snake that the wound couldn't possibly happen in HIS care?
A&S Reptiles said:
... So it took him about 25-27 days to notice the holes? The 12th is when he text Kelly. Three days ago, that's how I got my 25-27 day timeframe. Wouldn't you tell the seller the day you find it?? So he "found" it the 12th.
Assuming that your portrayal of the time line is accurate, these statements might almost have a little merit if not for my previous paragraph.

DaveyFig said:
It isn't buyers remorse! Tom wants to keep the snake. He may have remorse about who he bought it from, but not that he bought it.
You're wasting your time with that guy. That red block is there for a reason.

ReptileGeek181 said:
Does the seller have a TOS?
Why would it even matter? Tom's not asking for anything out of this. Think.

AceOfSpadesReptiles said:
I'm not friends with him. Sam had to show me this. He couldn't even say it to my face. The photo was taken down by facebook for harassment but Sam saved the picture and the comments attached with print screen.

You're whining about "harassment" that you didn't even know existed until you had to go out of your way to notice it? How can you be "tormented" by a situation that someone else had to actively make you aware of? Sounds kinda flimsy to me.
 
No no I had apologized that i had gotten kellys words mixed up. She said she was treating it which was the back scars and I thought mouth wound. I'm a new breeder and I'm trying to make my name. I'm trying to clear my name as well as kellys.
 
Well, since you seemingly jumped in half-cocked, before you and Kelly managed to get your stories straight, it certainly seems to me that the fact that you claimed she was treating the mouth wound, is more than enough to cast some serious doubt on her. I think the FB proof is all he really needs, though. She conceded that it may have happened in her care and didn't contest it in any way. I know, I know, it's the drugs talking.



Assuming that your portrayal of the time line is accurate, these statements might almost have a little merit if not for my previous paragraph.


You're wasting your time with that guy. That red block is there for a reason.


Why would it even matter? Tom's not asking for anything out of this. Think.



You're whining about "harassment" that you didn't even know existed until you had to go out of your way to notice it? How can you be "tormented" by a situation that someone else had to actively make you aware of? Sounds kinda flimsy to me.

The harassment started with me saying I thought a snake he was selling was overpriced. He got all mad about it and I said I was just stating my opinion. Then he starts name calling which I have to admit I haven't had anyone do since middle school...... I told him its his snake so he can price it how he likes. Anyways... I'd rather not get a warning from the admin on fauna so I'm done with this off topic conversation. Now please, Tom leave me alone. I'm not doing you any physical damage but I seem to be hurting your ego as you keep involving me in conversations that have nothing to do with me. This is going around in circles. If someone can calmly and logically tell me why I was included in this off topic ramble let me know why Tom even brought up my name as I am not Kelly, I only have one snake from her and he's perfect and I have nothing bad to say and will happily keep buying from her.
 
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