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Kelly Reggie - Caught in a SCAM!

KNOBTAIL said:
money for the snakes , if they were in fact sold by Dennis would open a padoras box. .
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?????????

The address given for Kelly Reggie is a known address for Bearded Pets?

I don't understand your statement.
 
KNOBTAIL said:
money for the snakes , if they were in fact sold by Dennis would open a padoras box. At that point the shipper could say he was legally entitled get paid. The situation of a stopped payment, and then receiving the snakes, and selling them is not a good idea. For all intents and purposes, the shipper abandoned the snakes, and a closure has been put on this situation. If the sender somewhere down the road attempts to recover any monies, let him sue. For sure their will be no additional out of pocket expense on his part.
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Jerry,

At this point it's a moot anyways, as we now know who we are dealing with and he/she will obviously disappear. In MHO the best way to handle that situation was:

1. Notify the seller that the pythons were not what was agreed upon.
2. Ask the seller how he/she wanted to rectify the situation: a. send the money to KCRD for the return shipment or b. Receive payment of $18 per animal.
3. Give him/her a reasonable deadline to choose from either options a or b. Once the deadline is over and having not heard from the seller KCRD can do with the pythons as they please.

Regards.

2. Ask the seller what he wanted to do about this situation
 
At this point it's a moot anyways, as we now know who we are dealing with and he/she will obviously disappear.
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It should have said:

At this point it's a moot point anyways, as we now know who we are dealing with and he/she will obviously disappear.
 
Well, the seller says they accept postal money orders, but KCRD didn't say that is what they sent out. I believe other types of money orders can be cancelled faster.
 
Just as an update. It's Sunday night and I still haven't heard from him yet.

As far as the money orders go, they were money orders issued by my bank. I don't ever use Postal Money Orders as they are almost useless as far as having abilities to control my monies in cases such as this.
 
I am very surprised

that your bank allowed you to cancel a bank money order considering that it should be considered as good as cash. I am glad you were able to do so, but you must have an unusual relationship in order to acomplish that.
 
Boasnkc said:
Just as an update. It's Sunday night and I still haven't heard from him yet.

As far as the money orders go, they were money orders issued by my bank. I don't ever use Postal Money Orders as they are almost useless as far as having abilities to control my monies in cases such as this.
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Jason,

Bank money orders seem to be more risky as once they are cashed you have no recourse at all if you have a complaint. Yes, you can control payment but you would have to stop it before it is cashed. How many times does anyone have the chance to stop payment before the shipment arrives? Most of the businesses want to be paid upfront before sending the merchandise. This case was the exception not the rule.

Thanks
 
I guess you might say that I have a "special relationship" with my bank, as my wife works for the same bank I bank at. However they informed me that this was a valid procedure as long as the money orders were not cashed.
 
Just as a point of information

Can you imagine this scenerio. KCRD sends the money order knowing full well that before the receiver has an opportunity to cash the checks, he stops payment on them. Meanwhile the sender sends the snakes assuming that the money orders (are as good as cash, even without being deposited immediately) The sender is out the money and the snakes. To further complicate the problem, apparently the buyers wife works for the bank the money orders were drawn on!.. That could come back to bite you in the ass!.

I know from my dealings with banks, the whole idea of getting a bank money order is in leu of cash, and should be considered as such without fear of it being no good (a fake money order or stolen) I have gone to many closings and other deals that required money orders and none of the banks would even consider refunding me the monies unless I PRODUCED THE MONEY ORDER or had it re-deposited into the account it was taken from. Secondly, if a stranger would attempt to stop payment on a money order , after purchasing one, they would not be successful, and the bank would not allow it because the bank at that point would be just as liable.


Dan, I would be very careful with this one..................although your intentions are honorable, I am sure you can see the the argument some smart attorney could make between you stopping payment and your wifes working at the bank.
 
It is a standard procedure at my bank as well. Bank money orders can have a “stop order” placed on them just like checks, if they have not been cashed. But the same liabilities apply if you were to stop payment on a check without cause. In this case, cause can be shown.
 
The purchaser of a bank money order has 10 days to put a stop payment on it. Also, because it is an "official item" it is processed through the Fed twice, and at least once through the bank's proof department. Therefore, bank MO's can take a LOT longer to clear in comparison to a Postal MO or even a personal check. Even if the MO has been cashed or deposited, the sender can still put a stop on it, and it would "bounce" against the depositor's account. (At least, that's the way it was when I worked at a bank) :bolt01:
 
money order/cashier check

I don't know if some are getting confused between a bank money order and a cashiers check. Bank money orders can only go to a certain dollar amount, ususally $1500 and payment can be stopped. Cashiers check can go to any amount and payment cannot be stopped except under extreme circumstances. Closings generally require bank checks for this reason. Cashiers checks are guaranteed funds.
 
Kevin, your

absolutely correct about the difference. I should have used the term cashiers check when I illustrated the scenario. But the fact still remains, that their could be some fall out.

Nothing prevents the seller from saying that he shipped the snakes that KCRD requested and he wants his money. He is after all holding money orders that have been stopped. Anyway, sometimes its good to look at all sides of the issue. This guy is holding almost $ 2,000. worth of money orders that are no good, prepaid the shipping, and is out the animals. Thats on one side of the scale! Just playing the devils advocate, but its something to consider if a defense becomes necessary.
 
Knobtail

I agree. IMO KCRD was very lucky that this turned out to be a scam. The snake didn't arrive by Friday morning and the MOs were canceled that same day.
If this had been a legitmate seller this thread would have been about an entirely different subject.
 
IN Post # 23, Dan "Boidsmith advises:

Jerry,

At this point it's a moot anyways, as we now know who we are dealing with and he/she will obviously disappear. In MHO the best way to handle that situation was:

1. Notify the seller that the pythons were not what was agreed upon.
2. Ask the seller how he/she wanted to rectify the situation: a. send the money to KCRD for the return shipment or b. Receive payment of $18 per animal.
3. Give him/her a reasonable deadline to choose from either options a or b. Once the deadline is over and having not heard from the seller KCRD can do with the pythons as they please.

Regards.

2. Ask the seller what he wanted to do about this situation
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Dittos to all of the above via certified mail return receipt in addition to email. I agree with all others that the likelihood of a legitimate legal claim against you is remote considering the party behind this, their history of scams, and the existing documented communications record specific to this transaction. But for less than $5 you can dot that "i" or cross that "t".
 
Jim,

the problem is the party concerned does not have to proove anything other than show bad money orders, receipt from the carrier that the shipment was sent to KCRD, and that the snakes are in the possession of the buyer!

The fact that you and I may know this guy is a scammer does not justify what the seller would claim was an honest transaction with KCRD as the scammer. Crazier things have happened !
 
Jerry, without creating a legal debate ...

you say:
the problem is the party concerned does not have to proove anything other than show bad money orders, receipt from the carrier that the shipment was sent to KCRD, and that the snakes are in the possession of the buyer!
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I think that there's a missing component to your above statement illustrated here : " ....... the problem is that the party concerned does not have to prove anything other than show bad money orders etc etc ....... in order to do what"? If the answer is "to be able to file a complaint", no one is disputing that. If the answer is that "in order to file a civil suit", no one is disputing that either. In these two, and other conceivable scenarios as well, the advice to either send a certified-receipt-requested letter, or even obtain/retain a real attorney's advice, is so that Jason will better cover his aft-end.

Its a messy situation, and the goal for Jason is to minimize his exposure to getting dirty. But rather than pursue that, maybe it would be easier for YOU to outline what Jason's actions should be at this point. If its to send back the animals without an agreement from the original shipper, or to send full payment, I believe I can accurately predict that you will get some educated disagreement.
 
KNOBTAIL said:
the problem is the party concerned does not have to proove anything other than show bad money orders, receipt from the carrier that the shipment was sent to KCRD, and that the snakes are in the possession of the buyer!

The fact that you and I may know this guy is a scammer does not justify what the seller would claim was an honest transaction with KCRD as the scammer. Crazier things have happened !
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Honest transaction? Come on. He committed fraud by misrepresenting the merchandise he sold. He knowingly and willing committed fraud. He may be able to file a complaint but he sure won't win one. And would only end up with criminal charges against himself. KCRD have every legal right to put a stop payment on those.
 
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