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Bad Guy Ken Foose, not a good dealer

I also take back one thing I said, I might buy from ken, but only offline. I really like to inspect the animals, myself.

You were very nice on the phone and in emails. Not blaming you, just making the info available.
 
Adam is not a bad person. I sent him a bad snake, and ended up backing it up with what seems to be another bad snake. He was very nice on the phone, and I actually enjoyed working with him, despite the bad situation. I'm just at a loss to explain this post. I thought we were good, and I looked forward to working with him again.
 
AdamWhite said:
I also take back one thing I said, I might buy from ken, but only offline. I really like to inspect the animals, myself.

You were very nice on the phone and in emails. Not blaming you, just making the info available.
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That does not many any sense, Adam.

You do appear to just be a vindictive individual at this point. If you do not blame Ken for the condition of the animals or their subsequent death, then why in the world did you post this thread?
 
I fail to see the "bad guy" here.

I fail to see where you were done wrong.

I fail to see where you were cheated.


What made you choose 'bad guy' over the little info icon? This is straight up BOI abuse.
 
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ShadowAceD said:
I will say that is a bit of a stretch. There is one of those around me and it is an hour and a half away (so, not that near) and they do not deal with exotics. That aside, most of those clinics are emergency clinics and you are going to rack up a monstrous bill very quickly. I am all for bringing sick reptiles to the vet., but there is a line to be drawn.
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I understand that maybe it's a stretch... But I don't buy something that I don't personally inspect without expecting to take it to the vet immediately. I understand not everyone has thousands of dollars to spend at the vet..
But my point was if the animals were never given veterinary care or examined by a vet, then how can he make statements regarding cause of death?
I do take for granted I have a 24 hour clinic w a herp vet an hour away, so if I get a sick animal, it goes straight from the box to the vet clinic.
 
While I think that Ken is a very respectable business man, I disagree with how he handled one thing. Ken, when you replaced the original snake, you should have paid the shipping. He paid for a healthy snake the first time, including shipping. You did not deliver a healthy snake. I don't like paying for other people's screw ups, as a seller or as a buyer. I think that it's a fair way to do business. Other than that, I think that the OP is being a bit vindictive here, as he should have brought this to light 6 months ago if he was going to.

Chris
 
Gojira1986 said:
I understand that maybe it's a stretch... But I don't buy something that I don't personally inspect without expecting to take it to the vet immediately. I understand not everyone has thousands of dollars to spend at the vet..
But my point was if the animals were never given veterinary care or examined by a vet, then how can he make statements regarding cause of death?
I do take for granted I have a 24 hour clinic w a herp vet an hour away, so if I get a sick animal, it goes straight from the box to the vet clinic.
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Few people think that way. When you get an animal, you expect it to be healthy, not needing to go to a vet. immediately. That aside, Ken did offer to take the animal back.

And yes, I am aware his statements of cause of death are suspect since they never went to a veterinarian.
 
Adam, I screw up an average of about 3 times a year. Too many times if you ask me, but for the most part my track record is sound. And, if I do :censored: up, I make damned well sure that I take care of it. I would expect no less if I was on the recieving end of a mistake. I'm still not understanding this post, but I'm glad we are good. And I promise, if you ever do decide to buy from me again, the transactioin will be perfect. 99% of them are. Sorry this was messed up. I am better then this, honest.
 
After carefull caculations, 99.7% of my transactions are good ones. And Adam, I did offer you a full refund on the first snake. It was the cost of shippig the second snake that I was trying to avoid. Perhaps not the right thing to do, but it was pay the shipping or take the refund. You chose to pay the shipping over the refund. Once again, I'm sorry about all this. It happens.
 
AdamWhite said:
I'll take your word for it. Things are deffinitly good. Just wanted to make sure everyone sees both sides.

Like I said, there is good side. The rat snake is healthy.
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I see ... something, not sure if it is both sides. There is no evidence of this sickly snake. You're expecting people to just take your word for it, which is difficult given that you posted this months after the transaction concluded between the two of you and Ken refunded you money. Also, you are trying to say that you do not think he did anything wrong, but you made this post anyway.

You also seem to be ignoring anyone that is not posting anything in your favor.

Things about you, in my opinion, do not add up and while I will say Ken made mistakes in this deal, you are way worse than he is.
 
AdamWhite said:
JCCS, that was my main complaint.
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I would have accepted that as a valid complaint had you not refused the refund offered and agreed to pay for the shipping for the new snake. Sorry but if that was a problem, you should have stuck to your guns. I don't understand how you refuse to accept a refund but fold and pay for shipping :shrug01:
 
A replacement snake should be sent and shipping should be paid for by the seller. The deformed snake (getting to keep it) and the second snake's shipping should not be considered a wash.
 
Focal X said:
I would have accepted that as a valid complaint had you not refused the refund offered and agreed to pay for the shipping for the new snake. Sorry but if that was a problem, you should have stuck to your guns. I don't understand how you refuse to accept a refund but fold and pay for shipping :shrug01:
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I too am a bit lost... If paying a second round of shipping was his main complaint, why was nothing of that being an issue mentioned in his first post, "the whole story"?

Ken - did you see any pictures of the sick or dead snakes before you agreed to refund or send another animal? Maybe if Ken can verify that pictures of these snakes do exist it will offer alittle proof...

I still don't understand why the op joins and immediately makes a negative post about Ken, after 2 questionable bad guy BOI come up (Denny and jennilyn)? See guys, even with the lack of proof from the op, it's the TIMING that makes me question this... As though someone kind of encouraged Adam to do this, even after all this time elapsed and the seller was not aware there was any dissatisfaction on the buyers part.
 
JCCS said:
While I think that Ken is a very respectable business man, I disagree with how he handled one thing. Ken, when you replaced the original snake, you should have paid the shipping. He paid for a healthy snake the first time, including shipping. You did not deliver a healthy snake. I don't like paying for other people's screw ups, as a seller or as a buyer. I think that it's a fair way to do business. Other than that, I think that the OP is being a bit vindictive here, as he should have brought this to light 6 months ago if he was going to.

Chris
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Hmm, I think he stated he offered a full refund and it was rejected for another snake instead. It would be one thing if he offered to replace the snake if he only paid for shipping but he didn't. He offered a full refund and keep the first snake, correct? The seller opted for a new snake and keep the kinked one as well.

Now, I don't think a buyer should be stiffed on shipping if they don't get a healthy animal but it doesn't appear to me that is what happened.

Ken admitted to making a mistake and agreed to correct it. If offered a refund and the buyer opted to get another snake instead for the cost of shipping.

I see nothing wrong with that. Customer would have been made whole.

 
AdamWhite said:
Ken, no hard feelings. I justed wanted to make this available to anyone that needs info.

But no big deal.

Again, no hard feelings. Just putting the info out there.
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AdamWhite said:
Not blaming you, just making the info available.
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BS. Read your title again.
Bad Guy Ken Foose, not a good dealer
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He offered you a full refund and you state "not a good dealer"
No big deal my ***
 
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