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Kentucky state law issues

Clay Davenport

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The ban goes into effect July 1. It is another one of those terribly worded laws passed by the ignorant and includes all "constricting snakes". The letter of the law now apparently bans cornsnakes and kingsnakes along with all boas and pythons regardless of size.
There is no grandfather clause, all current owners will be required to get rid of their animals or face misdemeanor charges and fines up to $500.
The ban also includes many other animals including rats and mice.

Here is the link to the Kentucky Post article on it
http://www.kypost.com/2003/06/25/exotic062503.html
 
That is a stupid law. Didn't they do any research before they wrote and approved it? No venomous or constricting snakes. Well, what the hell does that leave? Egg-eating snakes? With the ban on rodents, you could only feed an egg-eating snake. These uneducated lawmakers need to be stopped. Didn't they offer a public hearing before the vote took place? They tried to ban any constrictor that has "the potential to reach 6 feet or more" in my town (since female BP's can very rarely hit 6 feet I took it very personally and was not going to surrender my collection). Needless to say there were a lot of complaints by both snake owners and local petstores and eventually the ban was defeated. Wasn't there any way to stop this before it became law?
 
Research?LOL

IMO The only Constrictors most politicians have seen were in the movies and on TV. "Anaconda" is a good one. I bet most believe that junk. These people go with what Peta and the HSUS says which is totally wrong but they believe them.
In New York they tried to pass the Tonko Bill which looks almost identical to the one Clay brought up and the numerous other ones. Doesn't that seem odd that different SENATORS in different STATES wrote almost the same exact thing? And made the same mistakes BTW. That's because they have Peta and HSUS write IT and they put their name on IT.
Here in NY The Herp Societies came together and explained that Constrictors aren't just Huge Pythons and Boas, they include Kings and Corns. So they put a size limit on it for NOW. They say that if you have a snake that can grow to 10' that you have to let your town or village clerk know to protect firemen and other emergency personell that might enter your house.
They don't want to let the public know when they are going to pass a bill because they want to send it right through.
I just recieved my HERP newsletter last week. Guess how many New Bills there are relating to Animals? 32 yes THIRTY-TWO. Now some would make great laws but I've seen them lump them together B4 in hopes of getting them through. This crap is never ending. They piggyback good w/ the bad.
I'll stop writing now B4 I lose it. It's awful early or late. I'm not sure which. Glad I'm not working today.LOL
Take Care, Rob
 
Is this just for covington? I live in burbon (spelling?) county and have 11 snakes and 6 turtles, there is no freakn way I am about to get rid of my herps!! They will have to take them out of my cold dead hands before I hand them over. STuped, stuped, stuped!
 
Apparently this ban is only for Covington. From the wording of the news article it appears to me to only be in effect in the city itself, and not the entire county. I could easily be wrong on that point however.
At any rate, this ban was proposed in Covington two weeks before it was passed. I doubt there was any public hearing on the matter since the article says it was passed on a Tuesday night. You may do well to attempt to keep tabs on your local politicians. These things sometimes have the ability to spread once it happens the first time.
When politicians start outlawing things in secret without consulting their constituents, they're doing nothing more than trying to play mommy to the people. This is not acceptable.

Government by the people for the people is often a fanciful dream in our great land of democracy. More often it's government of the people by the establishment, with no input from the governed.
Unfortunately when trying to force change by public demand, numbers (votes) matter, and getting any real support from the general public to demand such a ban be lifted or changed will be difficult at best and futile at worst.
 
Laws are made by lawmakers.
lawmakers are voted on by the people.
Lawmakers are there to represent their people.

Didn't the lawmakers consult anyone? Or did they just decide to make a law on their own for the fun of it?
 
Hi Donnie,
Why are you angry? I figure change is inevitable... and IMHO it could be much worse. Once you cool off a bit I'd love to hear your opinions of the new regs.

Thanks,
Dwight Good
 
Captive Wildlife Permit application in PDF form

Thought this might make us getting legal easier.

<a href="http://home.insightbb.com/~khaman/permit.pdf"> Permit. </a>
 
Kentucky Import Permit

Anyone have an opinion on the "import permit" required in Kentucky? I have been told by certain parties that if you bring a reptile into Kentucky from another state you need a permit. If you travel through KY with a reptile from outside KY you need the permit (such as traveling from Alabama to Indiana via I-65).

Others have been very adament that reptiles are excluded from the import permit statute because they are not native wildlife or for other reasons.

Can anyone shed real good light on the situation in KY. If the strict intrepretation were correct, if ya live in The Bluegrass and go to an out-of-state show and buy a snake, you need the permit to re-enter the state with the snake (well, the snake needs the permit). You'd also need the permit if you were a big Florida dealer (just an example) traveling to a show in Illinois via I-65N would need the permit to enter KY and traverse the state of Kentucky.

BTW - these import permits requires a vet certificate for the animals - so it's not just a simple permit.
 
Campbell County exotics ban

There is a Campbell County Fiscal Court meeting on November 17 at 5:30 PM at the Campbell County Fiscal Court Office on November 17. For more info call Sandra Mulligan 547-1803. Two Administration staff members to contact are Robert Horine and Josh Wice. Both of their contact info can be found here:

http://www.campbellcountyky.org and go to the Fiscal Court Staff directory.
 
Exotic animal proposal raises concern
Dangerous pets face regulation By Luke E. Saladin
Post staff reporter

Once the Campbell County Fiscal Court reads its proposed dangerous and exotic animal ordinance into the record tonight, people like Damien Oxier plan to get themselves a copy.

That's because Oxier, who runs a nonprofit organization dedicated to rescuing displaced reptiles, wants to know just how far the ordinance goes in its efforts to regulate ownership of animals, especially reptiles that make common household pets.

Oxier said he has been in contact with a number of people who have concerns about the ordinance.

"It's a huge concern because, quite frankly, a lot of times lawmakers don't know what they are talking about," said Oxier, the executive director of the Liberty Township-based Arrowhead Reptile Rescue. "We realize a lot of reptiles do not belong in the homes as pets, but a lot of times these ordinances go far beyond any reasonable justification."

Campbell County officials decided to adopt the ordinance not because of any immediate threat from such animals, but because other communities have been enacting similar ordinances and officials didn't want people with such animals to look at Campbell County as a kind of save haven for dangerous pets.

According to a draft of the ordinance obtained by The Post, among the banned animals are lions, poisonous snakes, bears, hyenas, tigers, coyotes, foxes, kangaroos, gorillas, squirrels, coral snakes and cobras.

Josh Wice, a Campbell County administrative assistant who helped draft the ordinance, said the court took great pains to ban only animals that posed a serious threat to people's safety.

Non-lethal reptiles commonly owned as pets, including green iguanas, are specifically exempted, Wice said.

"We made specific reference to various animals that should not be affected by the ordinance," Wice said. "If it is on the list of banned animals you can be sure it poses a threat in some way."

Other communities, including Boone and Kenton counties, Newport, Covington and Bellevue, also have similar ordinances.

Oxier said that unlike other communities, he was encouraged that Campbell County consulted with animal experts at Northern Kentucky University while officials drafted the ordinance.

He still plans on looking over the ordinance once it becomes available for public comment after Wednesday night's first reading. The court is expected to have a final vote on the ordinance in December.

"If I see any problems with it, I would definitely speak up at their next meeting," Oxier said.

Campbell County's ordinance would make the crime of owning a banned animal punishable for up to 90 days in jail and/or a $250 fine.
 
hey.. where's that at???

Hey, I live in Kentucky, but I am not sure where Campbell county is... I live in Caldwell County, and it bothers me that if they can pass something like that here in the state, they might pass that here too. I currently have two Colombian BCI's, and with a law passed like that, I would be required to get rid of them. Please let me know.
Thanks,
Melanie Brown
 
Too late now

The ordinance passed with no opposition or discussion on the fiscal court's December 1st meeting. This is what happens when these ordinances go unchallenged. They pass like a hot potato.
 
Related KY Import Permit Question

I see no one has answer this thread for a little over a year. I have a related question that can go unanswer for the next year :)

I live in Ohio and periodically receive shipments of snakes at Greater Cincinnati Airport in Northern Kentucky. The snakes are always non-hot, non-native, non-USFWS permit species and if boids under 6 feet species. Does anyone know if I need a Kentucky Import Permit to legally pickup my animals at the airport and transport them home to Ohio?

Thanks
Don Flickner
Cincinnati, Ohio
 
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