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KezFarms - Im not happy

Seamus,
I was just poking fun about the name thing.

If he wants to REPLACE the 3rd male with a real female, I will pay shipping.

Offhand, about 2-3 people.
 
Scott,

I have to say that you are posting some rather interesting comments in this thread lately. It is really not acceptable for you assign motivations to Corey when he has offered his own, plausible reason for not wanting to accept Kez' offer as it NOW stands. Corey has said that if Kez would simply replace the "male" for an actual female, he would consider the deal done. Let's examine that for a moment shall we?

The arrangment will cost Kez a grand total of about $25! I do not count the differential in prices between a male and a female because a) Kez asserts that the snake in question IS a female too (no harm, no foul in swapping them!), and b) IF the snake IS a male, it was Kez' mistake that started this whole mess, and he deserves that minute loss to be placed upon him. Corey has agreed to pay shipment of the mis-sexed animal back to Kez, so there appears to be no reason not to do this.

The other arrangement, however, has Corey (at his expense) shipping this "male" back to Kez for a refund of $75. Deducting shipping charges, that means that Corey has a grand total of $50 back on a nice male honduran. In effect, Corey is still out his female (and her purchase price), but Kez has purchased a male from Corey at $75 shipping included!?!? If this is Kez' final offer (I Hope not, because it is unfair of him, if it is), WHY IN THE WORLD would corey want to take him up on it???? Would he not just be better off selling the animal for $75 plus shipping? He would still be out a female, but at least he wouldn't be missing the extra $25!

Tell me, Scott . . . If you had both of these offers made to you, which would you want??? I don't know why you (and one or two others) are jumping on Corey so incessantly, but he hasn't done or said anything wrongly in this thread, that I can see. $25 may not seem like enough money to quarrel about, but it seems to be the principle of the matter that serves as cause for which Corey finds himself unwilling to yield. I guess we could turn it around on Kez and say this, "If you're so certain that snake is female, why are you unwilling to be out $25 to make a customer happy, if it means swapping a female for a female?"

I am not ascribing any motivations to you, Scott, because that would be just as unnacceptable for me as it is now for you. Let me just suggest to you that this particular hobby horse is dead. If Robbie chooses not to honor his original agreement to swap a female for a female, he will not only have gone back on his word to a dissatisfied customer (a very bad practice in this business, by the way!), he will have also been VERY petty while doing so!
 
Darin Chappell said:

Tell me, Scott . . . If you had both of these offers made to you, which would you want??? I don't know why you (and one or two others) are jumping on Corey so incessantly, but he hasn't done or said anything wrongly in this thread, that I can see. $25 may not seem like enough money to quarrel about, but it seems to be the principle of the matter that serves as cause for which Corey finds himself unwilling to yield. I guess we could turn it around on Kez and say this, "If you're so certain that snake is female, why are you unwilling to be out $25 to make a customer happy, if it means swapping a female for a female?"
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I would not be in this same situation. If I specifically purchase a female snake, it is sexed immediately upon arrival as well as photographed for my records. Does anyone here buy a breeding group and wait over a month to verify that the correct snakes were sent?

I also would not call up the seller and leave threatning messages. These actions to me do not seem to be the actions of a person in the 'right' here.

What I have been saying this most on this situation. .is.. without actual documented proof... who knows who is right... and it probably never will be settled.
 
I believe the suggestion made by Seamus is the best scenario for both parties. If they can't agree on a trustworthy party to sex the snakes they could all 4 be sexed by a reliable herp vet, to be payed for by the party who is incorrect about the sex. I think Corey and Robert both really believe 100% that they are correct so I really don't see either as a bad guy. If Corey is indeed correct about the sex then Robert's offer is unreasonable.

I have a few names for my own personal "bad guy" list from this thread, but strangely neither of them are Corey or Robert.:rolleyes:
 
When I buy a proven group of animals from someone I trust, I dont normally double check the sex right away (i guess now i will have to probe, photograph, have a vet probe, then DNA test snakes upon arrival :p)

I dont normaly suspect them to mistake a male for a proven female.
 
There is another point to all this. Corey says they are the same snakes he got. Robbie says he shipped two females. So, in order for one of these guys to be right the other has to be wrong. Neither is willing to admit that possibility. Robbie does not know Corey from a hole in the ground but was left with a bad taste in his mouth by the way Corey dealt with this. Corey is standing on principle after pissing off the guy who can make it right. Can anyone say Mexican stand off. And yes I am part mexican so I'm allowed.

From what I understand there is no way Corey can verify that the snakes he has are the ones Robbie sent and no Corey I am not questioning your integrity, just playing devils advocate. You can't prove that Robbie is getting the same snake he sent you. Just why should he trust you? Because you say you are honest? If he chose to that would be good enough but, obviously he too is standing on principle in that he is sure he sent you two females.

Sexing them now makes no difference at all. Without verification beyond the shadow of a doubt that the snakes you have are the ones Robbie sent it makes no difference. And if you say "But they are the only ones I have," well, so did Robbie say the exact same thing and you have chosen not to believe him. He said, He said.

Please note the use of capitol letters throughout, I'm not dissing anyone here.

It seems that if everyone stands on principles here then Corey keeps his snakes, whatever sex they are and Robbies offer is ignored.

Corey, did you or did you not get a little hot headed when this all began? Did you or did you not get rude and/or threatening to Robbies wife? Were you cool and calm throughout? Because if you treated my wife the way You supposedly did Robbie's, and I didn't hear it first hand so cannot verify that it happened, but if you treated my woman that way I'd be more than just a tad pissed and would be doing nothing for you at this point. However this is not about me, thank goodness.

So think long and hard about your attitude and how it may have been percieved, not necessarily how you meant it to but how someone may have taken it mistakenly, and then decide if you want to keep this thread alive by standing on your principles. How you treat a man's family can have a serious effect on how he treats you. Well, in my case anyway.

Hopefully we are now done with this entire matter.

Wes Pollock
 
He hasn't implied that at all. But if he is sure he sent two females and has no doubt of it what difference will someone elses opinion make? And without proof positive that the snakes checked are the ones he sent it really makes no difference what they are.

Again, why should he trust Corey after all this time? If I was Robbie and was sure I had sent two females you could have Frye himself sex them and I would still not change my offer without proof that the snakes sexed were the ones I sent.

He said two females were sent. He said two males were recieved.


I'm stuck here. Both are sure, one should be wrong, too much time has gone by and no one can verify the snakes in question are the same as were originally shipped. Again, Corey, I am playing devils advocate here, not questioning your integrity. Nor am I questioning Robbies. There has simply been too much passage of time.

Wes Pollock
 
Wes,

I did not speak with Roberts wife other than saying "can i speak to robert". I dont know where this "threats" against his wife came from. In NO way did I miss treat a "man's" family. Thats just someone making up junk. I threated to turn ROBERT in for fraud, after they told me I could buy another "female" from them, when they had more. But in no way did i make physical threats against robert, his wife, his kids, his dog, his kid's pet hamster, or his crocs.

Robert, or whoever Please tell me when I ""threatened" robert's wife. Only theats I ever made were to turn Robert in for fraud. I tried, found out mis sexed snakes supposively dont count as mail fraud.

Im not really standing on prenceble (spelling?), I just want a flippin' female hondo. I think the males are worth more than $50 (75 - 25shipping), and I know i can not get a proven female for $50 shipped (unless one of you want to be really nice to me).

Bobby,

I dont think Robert did, but some of his supports have told me via private messages and in public chat rooms that I switched them (i havent switched jack). I have no reason to switch snakes on him, thats just some idiots trying to make an excuse for robert not following through with what he promised.
 
Wes, in my mind what it comes down to is. Last year I bought 2.2, got 3.1, robert promised to send me another female (with admiting he had problems getting one fo the females to probe out as female, and without questioning my sexing of them). I waited6months + for this replacement female, he never sent it. I gave him plenty of chances, including emails and phone calls. None were threatening except the first call regarding my threat to file mail fraud.
 
If it was a health problem, i would say 3-4 weeks is too long.
But when it comes down to a "P R O V E N" female having hemipenes then I dont think there is a real time limit.
 
The reason that I think the sexing of the animals is now moot is because I don't know how it would change the assertions of the two protagonists. Corey says the animal is male and Robbie says it is female.

Let's say that Corey takes the animal to a qualified herp vet, and the snake probes out as male. Would YOU accept that as proof positive, if you had personally seen the snake you sent to Corey push out a clutch of eggs??? If the snake were to probe out as female, all it would mean is that Corey would owe Robbie a huge apology, but there would be little else to gain for either of them.

So, maybe it would be another layer of documentation, but if the parties still disagree after the probing, they won't be any closer to agreement than they are now. Why waste the money???
 
Here are a few quotes that stick in my mind...

Double check them cause the were sexed here only did we have a hard time with but eventually got her out to be a female.
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and then this one...

I can only say that I am 100% positive we sent 2.2,as they were probed by myself. It was when the snakes were first purchased as sub-adults that I had trouble probing one of them.
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First, if Robert had successfully probed them afterward, why would he mention the first time when he had trouble? Also, if he's 100% sure that he saw 2 of the snakes he sent Corey lay eggs, why would he even mention probing them at all?
 
Bobby,

That first quote is a reply to an email I sent him LAST year. Second one was a post of his on here recently. Seems his ideas change?
 
Also, if he's 100% sure that he saw 2 of the snakes he sent Corey lay eggs, why would he even mention probing them at all?
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Funny you should mention that, because I thought that was hilarious, too. Hmm, so DID Robbie ACTUALLY see these snakes lay eggs as he ascertains or not? Because if he did, there would be no need to probe them to verify sex, now would there? And honestly, in my opinion, if Robbie said this was the case, why should Corey have felt the need to probe immediately if Robbie witnessed them both laying eggs?
 
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