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Kingsnake.com... Again...

Other reptile websites

I know from personal experioence that www.ssnakess.com is also on the secret banned website list. I tried to post pictures that were hosted on the ssnakess website and I also got the ip logged warning message. Pretty funny if you ask me
 
Any of this sinking in yet?

You know, I don't wanna say I started this mess (well, okay I did) but are you starting to see what I was saying yet?

While I know it took me some time to focus and go about this as an adult my points were very valid. They may have gotten lost in the way I went about it but I can tell you from the research I've done Jeff is violating laws.

Jeff is basicly trying to keep any and everybody elses head under water. He is supressing speach, he's also tring to hold other sites down and strong arm them along with his users into submission.

Many of you thought I was crazy and I see some of those same people are starting to see my points.

What Jeff's doing is not okay, weather it's his site or not. Some thing you can just take to far.

Adam Block
 
Adam,

I know this might be asking a lot of your time, but can you document what you mean by this statement you made?:

but I can tell you from the research I've done Jeff is violating laws.

That is coming on pretty strong, and I would like to see something to back that up. Not doubting your research or opinion, but accusing someone of illegality in public is pretty harsh.

Thanks.
 
They may have gotten lost in the way I went about it but I can tell you from the research I've done Jeff is violating laws.

That should have read:

They may have gotten lost in the way I went about it but I can tell you from the research I've done it looks to me as if Jeff is violating laws.

That was in there however spell checker must have deleted that as a fragmented sentence or something.

From what I've found the following may apply to Jeff’s actions:

Antitrust laws as laid out at: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/contact/newcase.htm

I spent much time speaking with them and looking over the laws and information.

The first thing brought up at their site says:

"If you have information about a possible antitrust violation or potential anticompetitive activity, whether civil or criminal, please contact the Division's New Case Unit:"

If you look over their site and information you can come to some of your own conclusions, as I can't give all the information I've gotten on here. I have many emails/stories supporting all of these things.

Next violation (well recourse) may be the Rico act:

This was passed in 1970 and was/is one of the most far-reaching federal statutes ever passed by the United States Congress.

The Rico Act basically enabling persons financially injured by a pattern of criminal activity to bring a RICO claim, in state or federal court, and to obtain damages three times the amount of the actual harm, plus attorneys' fees and costs.

While established in the fight against organized crime the Rico Act has been used against legitimate businesspersons, against spouses in contested divorce cases, and against attorneys, bankers, accountants and protest organizations.

To site one situation of this, because I was banned from Kingsnake for fairly odd reasons and in my opinion banned to keep the information I was offering from people in an attempt to keep competition down, plus based on the blind enforcement of their TOS. Myself or others that have suffered financially may have recourse due to being banned.

Extortion may also apply:

The Hobbs Act defines "extortion" as "the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right." 18 U.S.C. S 1951(b)(2).

This may apply out of the fear Jeff has instilled in people not to speak against him. He's created a situation where people are scared to speak badly about Jeff and keep using his site and paying him not based on the accord of his site but the fear of being banned from it.

I have a few more that I'm looking into but have decided that the focus should be in making another site better and not this so I've put things on hold. In no way am I saying all of these things apply to Jeff's situation. I have 100s of emails from people backing up the research I've done and without those emails I wouldn't expect people to blindly agree to all of the above.

However, I received an email I will quote below and to be honest it made me feel bad. It also made me think Jeff is doing a fine job on his own to bring his site down and doesn't need the help of others.

All of this caused me to expand my thinking and grow up. My efforts are much better suited helping something/body else.


I am also banned from certain reptile circles & do not consider myself bad, perhaps a little irascible. Last time I saw Jeff at Daytona, he look quite bad almost ill as if his health has been affected by his work to be a success.

The above you can take as you choose, I would expect you to do your own looking into the broad definitions of these laws and how they apply to the situations you've encountered.

Adam Block
 
faunaclassifieds.com
ssnakess.com

reptilianclassifieds.com

will get you this

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funny thing is I went to the TOS and never saw anything about
which websites we can link to and such.

like they say....this is Kingsnakes way of tracking down trouble makers. It looks like not only will they not allow your message....but they will also ban you.

THIS HAS GONE WAAAYYY PASSED THE JOE P. WAY OF MODERATING. JEFF BARRINGER HAS SURPASSED JOE P. HE IS WAY WORSE. I did not think it was possible. But Joe P. looks like an inocent angel compared to Jeff.



Jeff why is it you do not want kingsnake to appear on the BOI but you have no problems perpetuating the appearance of other sites on the BOI. Tell you what Jeffrey boy....I am leaving on vacation in a couple hours. It will give me time to cool off. Which is good because I am slowly loosing my patience and I am about to stop hinting and just tell the world about your smoke and mirrors.


see ya next week everyone. I might keep tabs on ya from vacation
 
You know.
I might actually feel better if it said something like...."you are not allowed to link to that site"

but instead it threatens of bans for breaking TOS.
and it is clearly not in his TOS
 
Sorry to dredge this all back up again but something caught my eye and prompted my memory...

To all those who have said that Webslave wouldn't allow banner ads to be purchased by his competition or any sites that function on a smiliar level...

I just saw a banner ad for the Mothergecko forums, a message board system which, while certainly not in competition, has an aim identical to the new Gecko Discussion and care boards that Webslave is trying to get off the ground.

To those who made contentions that he was somehow biased or in any way hypocrtitical in his statements, the proof refuting your argument is at the top of the page (if you happen to get the proper page loaded).

You'd think people would have realized that Rich isn't a hypocrite or a liar by this point anyway but a few here seemed to question that and it was fairly reccent so I figured I'd put another nail in that argument's coffin.
 
Actually I have said from the start that I would accept banner ads from similar or identically formatted sites. Heck, all someone would have to do is to list their site on FaunaTopSites anyway. And that is a freebie.

I have a lot of fun creating and adding to this site. If people find it useful and want to use it, then that's fine. If someone else has a site they like better and they learn of it through my site, well heck, why should I be the stick in the mud and try to keep that info from them? This site isn't about ME. MY business really doesn't need it. And since this site will promote businesses that directly compete with me as SerpenCo, it's probably a stupid thing for me to do.

But with all things considered, I would feel much better thinking that people came to me or my sites because they wanted to, not because they didn't know of anything better.
 
Dredging up old fights...

Pretty much explains itself- Kaplan was pushing her ball python caresheet, I responded, it was deleted and I was TOSed. Joy.

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Subject: Re: ball pythons
Date: 5/21/04 6:05 AM Central Daylight Time
From: M surinamensis
MsgId: <[email protected]>



>You'll find info on ball pythons at my site

"They are equally comfortable on the ground and in trees"

Wrong.

"Like most pythons, ball pythons are curious and gentle snakes."

Anthropomorphism and wrong. There will be many instances of statements throughout this "care sheet" which are incorrect in large part due to the inclusion of "most pythons" or "most pythons and boas"

"Males have longer spurs than do the females; males also have smaller heads than the females."

Stated as an absolute and therefor... Wrong.

"Ball pythons, like all pythons and boas, devour a variety of prey in the wild - amphibians, lizards, other snakes, birds and small mammals."

Again, wrong. There are a good handful of species which, while opportunistic feeders, can't be said to be widely carnivorous and have fairly specific predator-prey relationships. "Devour" when used to describe a species with such strong SPECIFIC feeding instincts is hardly appropriate either.

"They do not eat mice in the wild, however, and do not recognize the mice we offer them as being something edible."

Wrong. They certainly DO eat mice in the wild. Not our lab bred white mice, but they DO eat mice. Understanding which mice is key to understanding the feeding triggers.

"Ball pythons are reputed to be able to go for extended periods of time without food; wild-caught ball pythons have gone for a year or more without food until finally enticed to eat lizards and other snakes"

Since the natural diet contains very few lizards and snakes and the overwhelming majority of a ball pythons prey is mammalian- the above is... WRONG.

"This should also make you suspicious when a pet store tells you that their ball pythons are eating well."

An illogical conclusion based not on reality but rather Kaplan's anti-pet trade sociopolitical views. She has made it abundantly clear many times that she wishes to see the pet trade abolished- any statements she makes regarding the subject are suspect at best, propagandist rhetoric at worst.

"Buying captive-born ball pythons reduces the stress on the threatened populations in the wild and helps ensure you will get a healthy, established eater and a snake already used to contact with humans."

Wrong. Wild populations of Python regius are not threatened. Quite the opposite in fact. Collection for the pet trade has become a fairly substantial industry in many of the nations where these animals are found. Because of this, there is a distinct emphasis on sustainable collection and preservation of habitat. Ball pythons adapt very well to captivity, have extremely low percentages for import fatalities and their collection creates some economic stimulation in nations which need it fairly desperately. While captive bred animals do offer certain advantages, there is no reasonable moral objection to collection of this species from the wild. The above quote is simply... more anti-pet trade garbage.

"All ball pythons are naturally shy about having their heads touched or handled by strangers."

Wrong. More anthropomorphism with the inclusion of the word "strangers" Your snake does not know you as an individual, no matter how much you might wish this was the case. Behavioral responses will alter subtly as animals age and with the approach the handler takes. Rather than your ball python getting to know YOU... you get to know your ball python. It changes the approach you take towards handling and thus the response the animal will display. If you want a pet that loves you and recognizes you as being a unique individual, buy a puppy.

"All snakes are escape artists; ball pythons are especially powerful and cunning when it comes to breaking out."

Compared to what exactly?

"Pine and aspen shavings should not be used as they can become lodged in the mouth while eating, causing respiratory and other problems."

Wrong. Pine should not be used because of the hydrocarbon levels, aspen is 100% totally fine. Unless all those captive breeders who were being so heavily praised earlier in the same "caresheet" have got it wrong...

"The utilitarian approach is to use inexpensive Astroturf. Extra pieces can be kept in reserve and used when the soiled piece is removed for cleaning and drying (soak in one gallon of water to which you have added two tablespoon of household bleach; rinse thoroughly, and dry completely before reuse)."

Poor advice. Astroturf, cage carpeting or any other similar materials are all trash. They are composed of extremely dense microscopic fibers and are never truly "dry" in the center, no matter how they may feel on the surface to the touch. They do nothing more than harbor bacteria, spread disease and illness and fray (leaving very dangerous loops of tough thread sticking up).

"Ball pythons prefer dark places for sleeping and, as they are nocturnal"

The same page started out by listing them as crepuscular.

"Proper temperature range is essential to keeping your snake healthy. The ambient air temperature throughout the enclosure must be maintained between 80-85F (27-29 C)-during the day, with a basking area kept at 90F (32.5 C)."

Wrong. Mere lines after it was noted that they hide throughout the daylight hours and do not emerge when the sun is up. A basking area for a ball python is a useless waste of a lightbulb, a simple thermal gradient maintained from one end of the enclosure to the other is all that is needed. Much simpler to maintain with heat tape or UTHs without mucking around with lightbulbs. Just plain poor advice.

"No special lighting is needed. Ball pythons are nocturnal snakes, spending their days in the wild securely hidden away from possible predators. To make it easier to see your ball during the day, you can use a full-spectrum light or low wattage incandescent bulb in the enclosure during the day."

Again, contradictory information mere lines apart. This section is immediately underneath the one which stresses the importance of a basking area created with an incandescent bulb or ceramic heat emitter.

"When they eyes clear from their milky opaque, or "blue" state, soak the snake in a tub of warm water for ten minutes or so, then lightly dry it off, and return it immediately to its tank; it should shed cleanly within twenty-four hours."

A ten minute soak? Why that duration? What prompted the selection of an apparently arbitrary number like ten minutes?

"Many of the parasites infesting ball pythons and other reptiles can be transmitted to humans and other reptiles."

Wrong. Very few can be transmitted to humans, the majority of parasitic organisms are extremely host specific- to a particular species in some cases.

"Ball pythons are native to very warm, but not hot, dry areas in Africa. Many people make the mistake of trying to keep them in a too humid overall environment, using damp sphagnum moss or misting them frequently throughout the day."

And spend most of their lives underground or underneath leaf litter and detritus. Where the moisture is. The mistake of keeping balls too dry is far more common than the mistake of keeping them too humid- as is evidenced by frequent reports (probably from individuals who followed this "care sheet") of poor sheds and dented eye caps. Balls should have a humidity greater than forty-five percent- around 55-60 is ideal.

"The problem with this is that keeping the overall environment damp leads to conditions such as blister disease where in the skin, usually of the belly, becomes covered with blisters, leading to bacterial infections of the skin, which in turn leads to overall health problems."

Ah... I see now. Melissa Kaplan does not know the difference between "Humid" and "Wet" Not a big surprise really, considering.

"Daily contact with each other will begin to establish a level of trust and confidence between you and your snake."

Anthropomorphic crap. Plain and simple... WRONG!

"Unfortunately, the lust to sell has overcome common sense in private breeders as well as pet stores and wholesalers, and an increasing number of boas and pythons are being sold who are infected with this virus."

Anti-pet trade propaganda again. IBD is extremely rare. While it does occur, it's not common by any stretch of the imagination, nor is the characterization of breeders and dealers as money grubbing uncaring types appropriate or accurate. Kaplan doesn't like the pet trade or, as far as I can tell, the idea of owning animals as pets to begin with. Breeders and dealers are some of the most passionate, animal loving, caring and knowledgeable individuals it's possible to find. If reliable information on a species is desired, go to someone who actually works with it... don't turn to Kaplan's Herp Care Misinformation website if you want to keep your animal alive and healthy.

"The main causes of death of snakes in captivity are directly related to their care: improper temperatures, contact with heating and lighting elements, no regular access to water, lack of necessary veterinary care and treatment, careless handling--all things for which we, as their caretakers, are directly responsible."

Forgot to mention "This caresheet"

This is an old argument... Kaplan has a lot of "caresheets" which contain outright lies, misinformation, dangerous omissions and seem to be little more than a vehicle for her anti-pet stance. Many times she has said that mistakes, when pointed out, would be corrected... I eagerly await the revisions to her ball caresheet (and boa, and burm, and anole, and beardie, and cornsnake, and kingsnake and well... the whole site really) but doubt that they'll appear anytime in the near future... or ever. There's a very good reason why those who have been working with reptiles for long enough to develop that BS radar avoid her like the plague- her "information" seems okay with very casual inspection or if one is not experienced enough to see the errors... It's always wise to seek other sources for anything important though... like keeping your animals alive and healthy.

Hey Kaplan... do you even OWN any ball pythons, or was this "caresheet" written based off information contained in ancient TFH publications and books by DeVosjolie (the most notorious plagarist to ever "write" a reptile care manual)?



-Seamus
"Genes, like Leibnitz's monads, have no windows; the higher properties of life are emergent... And once assembled, organisms have no windows." - Edward Wilson, Sociobiology
 
Holy shaite that were a good post Seamus. I don't agree with everything you said but do agree with about 95% of it. From what I have read of her's, Kaplan's herp care sheets and articles are, in my opinion, bunk. Iwas a little surprised to see the attack on DeVosjoli. While I have never met him, I have met others who have worked with him on herp projects. They seem to think he knows his stuff, although they certainly do not always agree with him. I would be surprised to learn that he has resorted to plagarism in order to prosper.

All the best,
Glenn B;)
 
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