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Kingsnake.com... Again...

Why do you think I, as WebSlave, shouldn't have an opinion or get involved in something that affects ME as webmaster of THIS site?
I didnt say you shouldnt get involved this is why I was asking you in the other thread about posting under the two names. Because if you look theres older threads a few pages back where you were posting under Rich.
Where are the samples of lies I have told that are leading you to believe that this is just another one?
Your the one who keeps talking about lies i have never once accused nor implied you lied about anything.
Ok, so either it happened or it didn't. Agreed?
I do not dissagree he called and asked you. I see nothing wrong with that.
Next, I stated that Jeff mentioned that he was going to take Adam to federal court and there was a possibility that I would get named in that lawsuit as well.
So what if he did, is your web site the ONLY place were americans can exercise their god given rights? Thats why the system is there, to use it. If he feels he has a case then by all means run it through the system. I would rather have my taxes paying for some judge to work then sit on his rear and make a decent living. Adam has ever right to counter sue, same as you do if your named. I honestly think he would have a ligit case against Adam. So what would you say if he hailed Adam into court and won?? Would your veiws then change? Maybe then would you think well he had point? Would you hold true to this?Would you be man enough to live up to this statement and offer an apoligy? Below I answered your question about the poll so why dont you answer that one?
if someone can prove in a court of law that what someone has posted on this board is definitely libel, I will remove it, which I believe would be the correct thing to do.
Jason was probably the most against me back then.
Hey someone agrees I am standing the same ground I did then, go figure.
In any bussiness you have to deal with complaints and problems.
Theres a differance between complaints and down right rude people who got nothing better to do then create problems.
Say Jason, how did you vote in that poll Seamus put in the BOI recently?
That one and there was one other my g/f voted in. She was just curious as to which why the polls were going as she says we all act like a bunch of little girls in here.
If Jeff has so many more classifieds than Fauna has members, and at last count that was somewhere around 3000 members, then Jeff must have, say, 5000 classified accounts.
3000, 5000 what ever it is if this continues to grow and someday Rich stops taking handouts for it and starts charging for the use hell understand. Till then its just a smaller site being veiwed as a hobby differant perception then a buisness. Well llooking for that qoute about the courts I just reread my previous post and all were doing is covering the same ground, so you guys keep beating that earth and when you get home from China let me know.
 
Muhahahahahaaaaaa!!!

The proof is in the pudding! 42 inches of it to be exact. So now we have one mole out in the open. Who else can we bring out? It sure looks to me like the good old users of KS have little shot at winning anything when the prizes are going out as boondoggles.

Here I will set the men and the boys apart. I have many bad comments about me on the BOI. Not one time has the BOI link been taken off my site as I think the protection of people is key!

Just think about this. BOI links on KS will bring traffic here and keep people from dealing with the shady ones and getting burned. Thus limiting the number of sales made by these people on KS and keeping the number of $100+ accounts bought by these people down.

1) Jeff has banned me to suppress information.
2) He's seemingly giving out kickbacks to speak good about him!
3) He has no interest in accounting for his actions.
4) Is he really above what I'm thinking?


I keep the link on my site because other people not getting burned is more important then me, my money or my site. Jeff has made it clear KS is his cash cow. Maybe he just needed a good sounding reason to keep buyers from protecting themselves from shady sellers and is lining his pockets with the misfortune of deals gone bad.

What other reason could he have for suppressing this information?

As a snowball rolls down a hill it gains mass. Not in equal amounts with each revolution but exponentially. This ball of snow is getting pretty big Jeff! Time to start praying for a little sunshine if you ask me.

Adam Block
 
Quote from Jason Sweigart:
Your the one who keeps talking about lies i have never once accused nor implied you lied about anything.

Previous quote from Jason Sweigart:
I wish I could answer that quetion Rich but the fact of matter is I have only heard 1/2 of the story. Its human nature to twist things to our liking. I am not at all saying that you have done that intetionally but you know as well as I that when posting in an enviroment such as this its human nature to word things to sway people towards our side, whether its done intentionally or not. Taking that into acount with out hearing the conversation I cant make a judgment on whether he was right or wrong. All I have tried to do is maybe from my point of veiw shed some light as to why.

Twist things to our liking certainly sounds like an implication to me, now doesn't Jason?

Quote from Jason Sweigart:
Would you be man enough to live up to this statement and offer an apoligy?

Apology? For what? For NOT deleting Adam's thread when Jeff demanded I do so?

Quote from Jason Sweigart:
Below I answered your question about the poll so why dont you answer that one?

Gee, I must have missed your answer. Do you call this an 'answer'?:

Quote from Jason Sweigart:
That one and there was one other my g/f voted in. She was just curious as to which why the polls were going as she says we all act like a bunch of little girls in here.

I really didn't expect you to answer the question though, so thanks for pointing it out to everyone else as well.

Say does anyone have an OFFICIAL internet definition of what a TROLL is? Not that it is pertinent to this thread or anyone in it, I'm just curious.

Jason, how can you type so many letters on the keyboard and not say a damn thing?
 
I'm curious about something regarding k-snake's christmas contest...the rules said entries were accepted until 11:59 pm pacific time Dec 31, and this message was posted at 9:45 am eastern time on Jan 1st asking where one of the answers were because he couldn't find one. :confused:
 
Have to disagree here.

1) Jeff has banned me to suppress information.

He banned you because you were a pain in the A@@ looking to get banned. Sorry to deflate your martyr balloon you keep trying to raise.

Just for the record, Jason has been singing the same tune before he won the TV. Whether it was a reward for that song or not.

Jeff isn't going to change. KS isn't going to change so arguing about it back and forth does little in actual accomplishments. The only solution is to build a better mousetrap. What I think some people are missing in their quest for that is the fact that the people footing the bill for advertising and such are not the people that Jeff (or who ever builds another site) really needs to please. As long as the "general public - casual collector" thinks everything is kosher then they will not look for an alternative. This is why the BOI links were quelched on KS forums. A lot of the people "in" the industry already know about this site through word of mouth at shows and in dealing with other business people.
 
Morals & Ethics & Standards, oh my!

I'm curious about something regarding k-snake's christmas contest...the rules said entries were accepted until 11:59 pm pacific time Dec 31, and this message was posted at 9:45 am eastern time on Jan 1st asking where one of the answers were because he couldn't find one.

Does anyone have a copy of the fine print on that contest? If Jason was indeed awarded the TV without complying with the contest rules, the people who associate with KS deserve to know that it's operating dishonestly.
 
Just for the record, Jason has been singing the same tune before he won the TV. Whether it was a reward for that song or not.
Thank you Dan
9:45 am eastern time on Jan 1st asking where one of the answers were because he couldn't find one.
I submitted my entry form prior to the deadline. In the very top of the rabbit forum there were some other people asking if they had missed santa and the thread. So at that time because I was rushed for time only having 3hrs to do it in I guessed at it and was second guessing myself the next day when I still couldnt find it, due more to my hangover then anything else. When I posted that and she confirmed it I looked again and scrolled further down to find it like 3/4ths the way down the page as reply to someone elses post. All the rest of the posts by santa were in there own thread that corisponded with the date posted. The only other forum I took notice to that people couldnt find the clue in was the Burm forum in responce to the britney spears clue, which of course was in the britney dog forum. I like many others went right to the burm forum thinking of the fuss made about her with the albino.
 
Ha you mean I guessed at that LMAO!!!!!Oh My!

11:59 pm pacific time Dec 31
Thank you for posting that, boy do I feel like an idiot. I rushed to have it done by midnight central time, so I was three hours ahead of the dealine taking guesses. I figured since kingsnake was in Texas(central time) the clocks for the dealine would be central.
 
Just for the record, Jason has been singing the same tune before he won the TV. Whether it was a reward for that song or not.
Thank you Dan
This is vindication?
Just answer this very plain and simple rhetorical question, Jason: Is Party A justified in banning Party B's site from being mentioned on Party A's site when Party B (the owner of said site) refuses to delete a thread that Party A doesn't like on Party B's site?
 
And the puppet master pulls their strings. This is a joy to sit back and watch.

We have, corruption, extortion, anit-trust issues, favoritism, hypocrisy, lies, threats, egos and the list goes on and on and on. only thing we're missing is the hot chick! All the makings for a day time soap and it's all-FREE!!!!

He banned you because you were a pain in the A@@

5 emails in as many years. God, I only wish I could have a few million pain in the a$$ customers! I think every business in the Country for that matter could handle a few more customers that are SOOO hard to deal with. Of course, accounting for your actions is A LOT harder then banning people but that's just a guess.

And the plot thickens!

Oh, by the way has Jason addressed all the posts about him and the TV? Naw, and we aren't talking about somebody who bites his lip. Coincidence?

Tooooo Funnnnny,
Adam Block

PS Anybody hear about Jeff’s new give away? Yeah, if you be his bestist buddy and wipe his a$$ for a year you win a Lamborghini Diablo!!!!
 
Forty two inches of high definition plasma isn't a big enough picture Dianne?

Yep, Seamus, it's a plenty big picture (I just hadn't read those posts at the time I made my 1st post). :)

As for who runs their site ethically and honestly, we already know the answer - Rich does. It just floors me that Jason makes the implication that Rich 'twists' the situation to suit his standpoint, then doesn't have the balls to stand behind his back-handed implications. Even that isn't surprising though. Jason is right that his tune doesn't change, even when his opinions have no legs to stand on. I've read that tunnel-visioned standpoint in his commentary ever since I first found KS and the BOI. This blind faith in KS shouldn't really surprise anyone. For what it's worth, there would be no problem with KS if Jeff ran the site fairly - enforcing the TOS the same way across the board, consistent with the interpretation of the rules all the time, not just as it suits him on a particular day. Yes, I still go to KS, I still participate in the forums, but you won't find me putting any of my hard-earned money into that site because of the lack of consistency. Hell, if things keep up the way they have been, I probably won't be allowed to go to the forums anymore anyway. :(

Once again, just my .03 cents worth.

Dianne
 
Anybody hear about Jeff’s new give away? Yeah, if you be his bestist buddy and wipe his a$$ for a year you win a Lamborghini Diablo!!!!
Adam hense why you have been asked to stay out of this, you are a prime example of why the nick name "board of idiots" stands. I am not saying by any means that everyone here is but man people like you blow mind.
Casey, I answered that question already. Look a few pages back.

then doesn't have the balls to stand behind his back-handed implications.
Ill answer that question, bear with me for a little bit.
Where are the samples of lies I have told that are leading you to believe that this is just another one?
No lies, but back stabbing yes! I didn't post this prior because I felt it didn't belong here, same as I felt you posting about Jeffs phone call didn't belong here. People have a right to privacy, Jeff called you in private to discuss this with you, I see no reason why that discussion should have been posted. Same as I see no reason I should be posting this, as it was a phone call in private, except I feel you keep asking for it.

Rich, do you remember when Neil was under fire for the break ins? Do you also remember me trying to help Neil out by starting an auction for a boa with all procedes going to Neil? Do you remember why I never followed through with that auction? Also, why my tune changed from supporting him to believing he was behind the break ins? I'll refresh your memory, it was because of a phone conversation you and I had. There were a couple of emails with nothing major in them concerning the issue then I called you. During our conversation you told me you didn't have the PI report but you didn't think I should follow through with the auction as I would only be helping the guilty party. You went on to say some others things about the prior break ins and how Neil was benifitting greatly from all of it with the donations, auctions etc and what some of us were doing to help out a fellow herper in need. Following your advice I did not follow through with the auction. Trusting your word, my attitude towards Neil changed and I no longer supported him. Then when you got the PI report, what did you do, you refused to post it because you wanted to wash your hands clean. You talked all this I don't want to post it for liability, I don't want to post its because I am staying neutral etc etc. All along in private your stabbing Neil in the back advising people not to help him, implying he staged the robberies. Then in the public eye you turn face and claim you want to be neutral and not get involved, it will look bias if you post it etc. Go look at the thread about Neil, what did I say something along the lines of " I heard today from a reliable source that Neil is involed". I tried to help the out a fellow herper in need, trusting your word my opinion changed and then YOU turned face and went the other direction. This is strictly my opinion but what it boils down to is money. In our phone conversation you said you were going to post that report because if Neil was wrong and you had to step on the toes of one of your supporters you would because it was the right thing to do. Well you didn't. People are pulling advertising from the site. This site is becoming more of a finacial drain on you. You are begging for hand outs. You can't afford to post that report and run of one of your biggest supporters off, now can you? This is just my opinion. You stab the guy in private and turn face in public. This is why I don't trust you! Like I said, I feel I people have a right to privacy and airing out peoples dirty laundry in public that took place in private is not something I agree with but there ya go. So, do I think you are a liar well not in so many words, a backstabber yes!

Just for record Neil, from the begining of that thread about your breaks in I supported you, this you know. Trusting in Rich, his so called integrity, I thought he had from the time I had been on this board. My opinion of you changed in one conversation because of the blind faith and trust I had in Rich. Seeing the way Rich changed face from private to public I lost all faith. I am truely sorry this had to be drug up again.
 
Nice try in a deflection, Jason. But the truth of the matter is that I told you what the PI had relayed to me as his opinion. And as far as I am concerned, that issue has never been resolved to anyone's satisfaction. I certainly don't know the truth of what happened but life goes on regardless. I recommended to you that your getting involved might not be in anyone's best interests, especially yours, which even you would have to admit was sound advice. So whom is stabbing whom in the back now?

Matter of fact, I believe you called me up specifically to try to confirm those very same rumors and you were having your own doubts. You said so yourself towards the end of the conversation. So was that true, or did you just not want to appear to be so naive to me on the phone?

Neil and I discussed this at length when it was the topic of the day. I told him flat out that I do not know what happened and was keeping an open mind about everything. He is not happy about that, but that's the way it is. I wasn't there so I don't know what happened. I am not a walking lie detector, so I don't know what the true story is and probably never will. If someone were to ask me today if I thought Neil was involved in the breakin, I would say that I have no evidence that would disprove it or prove it. That's about the best anyone could say. Neil asked me pointedly if I believe him and I told him just as pointedly that I am trying to believe everything everyone is telling me, but not being able to do so, I take everything with a grain of salt.

Being an advertiser here is no protection for someone whom thinks it will be a shield against scrutiny. There was one advertiser that dropped out when they learned that the hard way. If Neil had been offended by my stance, then he was welcome to leave as well. Matter of fact, even if ALL the advertisers pulled out, enough people have proven to me with their donations that THEY want this site to remain. Personally I was astonished by it, but I think it was a real good sign that this site will be here regardless of the people whom might try to knock it down.

As for the report, thank you oh all mighty ONE WHO KNOWS ALL, for knowing my mind as you know all things. It is still sitting on my desk in an unopened envelope. I don't feel any pressing need to do anything about it, as I sincerely doubt it will answer any questions and will only open up an old wound. I rarely even think about it any more as I have other things to occupy my mind that are higher on the priority list. Matter of fact, if you all come up with someone you all feel you can trust and they have the time to transcribe it and post it, I'll be glad to sent it to them so they can do it. Surprisingly enough, this time of year, which is supposed to be my slow season, isn't proving to be all that slow after all. Bear in mind that not everyone in the world is going to have an excess of free time on their hands as you evidently do.

And no, nothing about finances has anything at all to do with that report or what I do with it. Matter of fact, when I banned Neil, he hinted at dropping his banner, and you can ask him yourself what I said about that. If he can't remember, I am certain I still have the email I sent him. Again, it was a nice deflection of attention that you attempted here. Certainly got me to waste some of my time today, now didn't you? You thinking you might get around to answering the questions I asked you now or are you going to try something else?

So you truly believe that the issue of Jeff's actions towards me and my site should have remained a private issue and swept under the rug, eh? Now why would you think that? To shield Jeff from embarrassment? He needs you to protect him now? Do you really think Jeff intended this to be a private matter? My how inconsiderate of me! How private is the fact that he banned mention of my site on his site? Not very, I think. Heck, anyone trying to post a link or text will find out soon enough, don't you think? So I'm the one that is the bad guy because I said something about it? Gee, I'm crushed by my lack of sensitivity.

But anyway, it was a good try. Let's get this thread off of Jason Sweigart and onto something else, eh? Certainly does give everyone an interesting perspective of your personality as well, I'm sure.

And before you get this idea firmly into your mind Jason, don't believe for an instant that you are going to deflect this thread off of the Kingsnake.com, Jeff Barringer, Adam Block, Jason Sweigart, WebSlave line and onto Neil Gubitz, et al. If you want to discuss these other issues, open up a new thread or find an old one about it and continue it there.

But Jason, I have to admit that you are doing quite well at your job here, eh? Look at all of my time you are wasting keeping me from working on expanding this site. You must make someone very special to you very proud.

By the way, someone did send me a link to the definition of Troll. I think I need to post it in here one of these days and ask whom it sounds like.
 
Just a reccent update of sorts on the censorship the Moderators on KS who are identical to the AOL group perpetrate...

Someone had asked a question about housing an iguana in with their anoles, Kaplan responded by telling this person to read her website, linking them to the anole care page... I responded, the message was deleted and I got this e-mail...

Subj: Message Board Posting at Keyword: Pets Community
Date: 1/7/03 8:45:38 AM Mountain Standard Time
From: HOST PETS Ratz
To: SenselessDisplay
CC: HOST PETS Mgr



Dear Member,

Regarding your message posted at AOL Keyword: Reptiles Community>Message Boards>Lizards>Green Iguanas.

In order for all members to enjoy our message boards, our community has certain standards of conduct for members to follow. Please review AOL Keyword: Message Board Product Guidelines and AOL Keyword: Home Board Standards for information on what is appropriate in our community. Based on these standards and guidelines, your post was removed to avoid disruption to the message board discussion.

Depending on the severity of the disruption, a report may have been submitted to AOL's Community Action Team for further review.

We appreciate your taking the time to read this letter. Thank you. If you have any questions or comments, please forward them to HOST PETS Mgr.

Regards,

HOST PETS Ratz
Volunteer Message Board Leader
Pets Community

======== Copy of Your Message ========

Subject: Re: food
Date: 1/6/03 10:20 PM Central Standard Time
From: SenselessDisplay
Message-id: <[email protected]>


> - you can find out more about that my reading my Anole article

...

KPalma's anole information is far... FAR better, more accurate and extensive.

A few quotes from Melissa's website that invalidate the entire page...

"The green anole (Anolis carolinensis) is the only anole native to the U.S.; to 9" snout-vent length"

"Primarily terrestrial, these diurnal lizards inhabit low bushes and the ground underneath."

"Minimum tank size for a group of two adult anoles would be a tall 10 gallon tank."

"20 gallon tall aquarium (48" x 13" x 20")"

There is a recommendation FOR pea Gravel in the "Basic captive environment requires" section, then underneath in items not appropriate it lists "Sand or gravel", a direct contradiction.

Also under "Not appropriate for anoles" is a bullet followed by the word "Temperatures". Apparently Temperatures kill anoles? They need to exist in a thermal vacuum?

Here's a fun piece of information that suggests Ms. Kaplan has ulterior motives for writing "care" articles... "they are generally dehydrated, moderately to severely emaciated, and riddled with parasites - just like most reptiles sold in this country every year" But she doesn't dislike the pet trade...

"When a green anole turns brown, it is a sign of severe stress." Yes... it never has anything to do with a normal pigment change when thermoregulating or any intraspecific interactions, it's universally a sign of stress.

Lastly in the "Good Resource Books" there is a note to avoid all the product recommendations in one of only two recommended books because it will kill your anoles... But this is a recommended book?

Might I say, I heartily recommend Ms. Kaplan's anole page, just be sure to please ignore all the words contained therein as they are completely inappropriate and may kill or injure your animal.

Perhaps that page needs to be updated... As you have said many times, you invite people to point out mistakes so you can correct them, although the information stating that neonate corn snakes eat crickets or that two year old Boa constrictors are ten feet long hasn't been removed yet and those were mentioned numerous times.



Arm T.

"Genes, like Leibnitz's monads, have no windows; the higher properties of life are emergent... And once assembled, organisms have no windows."
- Edward Wilson, Sociobiology

"I've been Disqualified from the human race for shoving."

Just a bit more evidence of the load of nonsense these people are pushing, their lack of experience or quality information and their tendency to push their own personal agendas and censor those they disagree with.

I would ask that nobody go off on a tangent about the care information on Kaplan's anole page here on the BOI, but anyone who wants to e-mail her and point out the parts where her brain apparantly stopped working, I'd appreciate the effort.

Jason... You've been found, pegged and shown for what you are and your reasoning on this issue, you have made it clear that you disagree, all jokes aside, I do understand that your opinion now does not deviate from what it had been before you got the TV, I'll let others question that...

But I really have to ask what you're intending to accomplish at this point. You refuse to answer questions posed directly to you in a straightforward manner and have gone way... WAY off topic and not really introduced any signifigant or meaningful information. I mean no offense but... in the same manner you claim Adam makes no friends and hurts his owncredibility by going after Jeff in the manner he does, do you not see how your actions against Rich here are identical? I'm not certain why you're doing it anyway since you are choosing to use and participate in the site he has provided, if you distrust him so much one would imagine you'd simply... leave... But do you honestly think you're making yourself look good here? Your actions condemning Adam for starting trouble on a site become meaningless and hypocritical when you turn around and do the same thing, if you have a valid and reasonable, logical argument, use it. If you don't... Just quit while you're less-behind than you could be.
 
Please refresh my memory

Jason, I am sorry I must have missed your response, 1 more time please
Just answer this very plain and simple rhetorical question, Jason: Is Party A justified in banning Party B's site from being mentioned on Party A's site when Party B (the owner of said site) refuses to delete a thread that Party A doesn't like on Party B's site?
This question was posed by Rich Z. a looooooong time ago, and I have not seen an answer.
I think Jeff lost his temper and made a poor decision when he blocked the BOI, but he is only human and we all make mistakes. Why do you think it is that you are the only one who is trying to justify Jeffs decision? Want me to tell you?? Because he made a mistake,... and you know it or you would answer the simple question
 
OK, I know this is probably obvious to nearly everyone here, but for the few that are not devious minded enough to pick up on it, I'll explain it.

Jason is trying to get himself banned from this site. Now why would he do that? Simply put, in order to attempt to put his pal Jeff in a better light by being able to point to everyone that bad ol' Rich is no better, since he did the very same thing. Banning someone whom was saying unkind things about him. Of course it wouldn't be the same thing, but in Jason's eyes it would be, and that's how he would trumpet it. No Jason, I think you are doing just fine on your own here.

See where he has been trying to maneuver me? Question is, did Jason come up with this plan himself, or did someone else, using Jason as a puppet? I know someone whom likes to do things like that.

And Jason, about back stabbers, you know, some of them will be smiling and giving you a hug, maybe even gifts, pretending to be your friend. They will hand you the blade and try to convince you to stick in the blade yourself, as a friend, of course. Of they will try to set you on a course that will stab two backs with one knife, one of the backs being your own.

Tell 'you know who' that I didn't destroy those emails like he advised me to do.

It's not wise to leave your fingerprints on the knife when you do your backstabbing by proxy.
 
WOW!!! Some people are grabbing at straws now! Looks like we got a squirrel trapped in a corner folks. Although I'll admit I've never seen a squirrel with a 42" plasma TV.

Could he have gotten more of topic? We still see you and we won't go away buddy, the magnifying glass is on you my friend, not Rich or Neil.

Keep focused Danielson,
Adam Block
 
Looks like Jason has not kept up to date on all the postings here at BOI. If he had kept up to date he would certainly have realized several post ago that he was turning himself into the new poster child for the "insert foot in mouth" club. Once again a pathetic loser does more damage to themselves than anybody else could ever do.
This is EXACTLY why i love Rich's site and FREE SPEECH! Let the morons talk all they want because they are just tightening the rope around their own necks. If Rich actually banned someone he would really be doing them a favor by preventing them from continuing to look so stupid.
I can't imagine anything more entertaining than watching someone who deserves it paint themselves into a corner out in the open for all to see.
 
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