kingsnake.com Bad Business practices.

[Jim O]

I don't live in TX and don't believe that all of their state laws are applicable to my hobby business in my state so I won't be getting account with them now, either. But then that's my cross to bear, not Jeff's.

Don't be so dramatic. I do not believe that KS requires businesses to abide by Texas law, but it does abide by those laws. So any dispute with KS regarding it's services will be resolved in a Texas court under Texas law. That is standard operating procedure for many corporations. I see that you are in Oklahoma. If you use Microsoft software the EULA is governed by the state of Washington. Does that stop you fom using the software?

I'd guess that somewhere on this site Rich has a "choice of law" clause and it's probably the state where his LLC is organized which I doubt is your state. If he doesn't have such a clause he should.

 

[DISCERN]

Right, but Jeff does live in Texas and as the owner of a business (kingsnake.com) he has chosen to make sure his butt is covered by following the letter of the law. I don't understand why some people have such a problem with that. It's his business, his website, he is running it the way he sees fit, as is his right. I feel that kingsnake.com provides a fantastic service to those who advertise there. IMO, The reason that Jeff/kingsnake does not allow negative posts or have a BOI type forum is, again, he is covering his butt legally, which is what any good business person would do.

Good point Kelli!!

 

[JETZEN]

Don't be so dramatic.

jimo,
Let's see that ridiculous troll poster again mr.jimo. The drama you provide proves your level of stupidity.

How many brownie points do you expect to get from the ks.com admin?




John Sommerfield

 

[JETZEN]

Because it would like violate their own terms of service. They don't allow bashing attacks against anyone on that site.. warranted or not.

Esp. their vendors, no wonder there are so many crooks there.


Once i saw a guy that had like 4 bad guy threads going on here, it seemed everone that dealt with him had a problem.

BUT, at the same time he was pushing his overpriced Lav. cals on ks.com.


Is it my imagination or are most bad guy threads about ks.com vendors?



John Sommerfield

 

[KelliH]

Is it my imagination or are most bad guy threads about ks.com vendors?

I have never kept tabs on it, but whether that is true or not, it is not kingsnake.com's responsibility to protect those who buy from classified ads on their website, although I know for a fact that they do act on their three complaint rule. Lucky for us we have the BOI here on Fauna that provides that sort of background check resource, thanks to Rich.

 

[Seamus Haley]

Is it my imagination or are most bad guy threads about ks.com vendors?

Most vendors are kingsnake vendors.

 

[homegrownherps]

---------
<reply>Good for you. However, I have to wonder if you're accepting the bad with the good for lack of a better outlet, unwillingness to take risk, fear of being ostracized by peers or simply a familiar comfort with getting kicked in the groin every once in a while.

I use to think that KS was the ultimate site for everything herpetological, but I was relatively new to the hobby and theirs was a dominant presence. Since then I've grown up, done a lot of research/learning on my own and utilized the knowledge bases of people in the hobby/business who have been around a while lot longer. And guess what, even though I've been tempted, I still have never had an account there. But then I don't rely on advertising on KS to feed my herps or make my day-to-day living running my business by somebody else's (or some other state's) rules/laws. I don't live in TX and don't believe that all of their state laws are applicable to my hobby business in my state so I won't be getting account with them now, either. But then that's my cross to bear, not Jeff's.

I do post/sell on other sites, some I pay for membership and some are free. And on those sites I accept the bad w/ the good as well. If I have problems on any of those, I contact whoever is running the site and try to get it ressolved in a professional manner. I have noticed w/ free sites the service is much SLOWER, no less professional but definitely slower. I post ads here on Fauna as well, should I bitch and moan because they don't generate as many sales as other sites?

Once again, I have never been "kicked in the groin" , when ever a problem arises I contact the proper person with an email and the situation is resolved.
What "risk" is there to take ? , are you talking about seeing how far your can bend their TOS service before getting a warning ?

If I was afraid of "being ostracized", I would stay away from all forums.

Just like with any other business there are going to be scammers and thieves, if a customer doesn't do their homework, then theres always the chance they just may get ripped off, doesn't matter if your buying cars, stereos or reptiles. With the BOI at least the option is there to check some one out.
Just because one site provides a place to check out a seller doesnt mean they all should or have to.

You say you never have had membership with them (K-snake)....
So with that how can you have real input about them w/o any first hand experience.

You also mentioned

---------"But then I don't rely on advertising on KS to feed my herps or make my day-to-day living running my business by somebody else's (or some other state's) rules/laws.

This whole business is run by " other peoples/bussiness's rules"
Like Game and Fish, Promoters, Carriers etc..
You choose not to deal w/ K-snake, but I am sure you have to deal w/ others who make the rules.

For those that keep whining about how unfair K-snake is, an how they have monopoly ... whats stopping you from creating your own site.

Once again ...its just like anything is this business, wether its shows, shippers, customers etc.. if you can't accept the bad w/ the good ...maybe this isn't the business to be in.

 

[KJUN]

Don't be so dramatic. I do not believe that KS requires businesses to abide by Texas law, but it does abide by those laws. So any dispute with KS regarding it's services will be resolved in a Texas court under Texas law. That is standard operating procedure for many corporations. I see that you are in Oklahoma. If you use Microsoft software the EULA is governed by the state of Washington. Does that stop you fom using the software?

Good point. eBay doesn't allow the sale of things illegal in kalifornia (where they are housed) even though the seller may be in Texas, I'm in Texas, and it is legal for us to buy/sell/own that item in Texas. Does that prevent many people from using eBay, either? I doubt it.

KJ

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Esp. their vendors, no wonder there are so many crooks there.


Once i saw a guy that had like 4 bad guy threads going on here, it seemed everone that dealt with him had a problem.

BUT, at the same time he was pushing his overpriced Lav. cals on ks.com.


Is it my imagination or are most bad guy threads about ks.com vendors?



John Sommerfield

What you fail to comprehend John is that he could just as easily been pushing those Cal Kings here. Having a "Bad Guy" thread in no way precludes anyone from selling on the classifieds here.

So far, each and every one of your "points" has been either wrong or poorly researched and considered. All you have actually demonstrated by your rambling attacks is that your banishment from Kingsnake was probably richly deserved.

 

[JETZEN]

reply to suncoast

What you fail to comprehend John is that he could just as easily been pushing those Cal Kings here. Having a "Bad Guy" thread in no way precludes anyone from selling on the classifieds here.

So far, each and every one of your "points" has been either wrong or poorly researched and considered. All you have actually demonstrated by your rambling attacks is that your banishment from Kingsnake was probably richly deserved.

Your "probable opinion" is not valid nor are you entitled to it.

Again I refer you to the business/web watch section of this site you will find all kinds of info about your beloved ks.com.


I will ask you the same question i asked Jim O. , how many brownie points do you expect to get from ks.com?


Now quit being a liar AND a hypocrite.



John Sommerfield

 

[JETZEN]

to homegrown

if you can't accept the bad w/ the good ...maybe this isn't the business to be in.

BLAH,BLAH,BLAH......BALONEY!

Only the good should be accepted.

The bad should should always be rejected.

Jim,
you are being foolish! do you think your customers will agree to acept the bad w/the good? ... maybe you should re-think that ridiculous statement.



John Sommerfield

 

[homegrownherps]

BLAH,BLAH,BLAH......BALONEY!

Only the good should be accepted.

The bad should should always be rejected.

Jim,
you are being foolish! do you think your customers will agree to acept the bad w/the good? ... maybe you should re-think that ridiculous statement.



John Sommerfield

This one is really not worthy of a response , but I have to agree w/ you on keeping this thread on top ...just so people can see how ignorant you are.

Baloney is right, and your full of it !...you seem to pick and choose the words you like.
Re think my statement ???? maybe you should learn how to read. ONCE AGAIN - why don't you go back and re-read my comments.

John is right ...It's like trying to teach a chimp to speak French. You don't get it....and you never will .

 

[JETZEN]

This one is really not worthy of a response , but I have to agree w/ you on keeping this thread on top ...just so people can see how ignorant you are.

Baloney is right, and your full of it !...you seem to pick and choose the words you like.
Re think my statement ???? maybe you should learn how to read. ONCE AGAIN - why don't you go back and re-read my comments.

John is right ...It's like trying to teach a chimp to speak French. You don't get it....and you never will .

I'm not gonna re-read your baloney, and I hope you do well accepting the bad.
Ah-hahahahahahahiha-ha!
get a life ks.com lover! and if you don't like my posts please don't respond, they are obviously tearing you up.

Better yet, let it out jim, come-on, you can do it!. Let's see how bad you are.
I wanna see how mean you can get, you're nothing but a mouthy keyboard oper.
Now you'll prolly wanna fight me because you have your panties in a wad again, AH-hahahahahah-ha-ha, what an idiot!



John Sommerfield

 

[homegrownherps]

I'm not gonna re-read your baloney, and I hope you do well accepting the bad.
Ah-hahahahahahahiha-ha!
get a life ks.com lover! and if you don't like my posts please don't respond, they are obviously tearing you up.

Better yet, let it out jim, come-on, you can do it!. Let's see how bad you are.
I wanna see how mean you can get, you're nothing but a mouthy keyboard oper.
Now you'll prolly wanna fight me because you have your panties in a wad again, AH-hahahahahah-ha-ha, what an idiot!



John Sommerfield

I guess we all can see why you were booted from K-snake

If your your going to comment on things that I post, then you really should read them a little slower. That way you wouldn't have to make things up.

Fight you I guess if I was 18 ..... probably.

 

[KJUN]

If your your going to comment on things that I post, then you really should read them a little slower. That way you wouldn't have to make things up.

Every body knows what you mean, Jim. You are just feeding the troll by replying. Notice that he makes a post, and if nobody replies, he makes a slightly worse post until someone does reply. Whether he has/had a valid point, it got lost somewhere. I suspect he's just having fun trying to get people mad...and it likely has nothing to do with kingsnake.com any longer.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Well said KJ. We should all let the troll stew in his own juices.

As far as I am concerned this, and Mr. Sommerfield are both dead issues

 

[PaulSage]

I don't get it.

Kingsnake and Fauna are different sites. They have different rules, different histories, different administration, blah blah blah. They both offer something very valuable, and I think they complement each other well. If you don't find value or incentive in either site, then don't go there. If you think you can do what either site does but do it better, then give it a shot. If Kingsnake didn't enforce its rules and let the site become a complete free-for-all, I suspect it would become pretty worthless real quick. I don't think that requiring business names to be legally recognized is overkill. I think it's a step in a good direction.

/soapbox

 

[JETZEN]

suncoast

As far as I am concerned this, and Mr. Sommerfield are both dead issues

Does that mean your done?

i think you're lieing.

I'll be back.

Later.




John Sommerfield
official fauna troll(and loving it!)

 

[KNOBTAIL]

Its long overdue

I hope this policy extends to other sites as well. Not only does it add some legitimacy to who you are dealing with, it provides a money trail once you know if this person is a person selling as a business or a business enterprise. In either case it provides some additional knowledge that can only benefit the buyer.

this industry has been in the throngs of a wild west arena for years . In many cases as this BOI can testify to , the graveyards are full of people who have been taken by thieves. This industry is a magnet for those who get attracted to the herp industry and prey upon unsuspecting customers with no recourse. So now an innovative concept has been added . It requires some kind of a system to at least provide a FAIR CHANCE, for a potential buyer or seller to be a bit more informed as to whom the are going to send their money to. I hope all sites use the kingsnake format. Otherwise, wherever their is a method for stealing, current sites such as Fauna classified will always have an open door policy that will attract these predators in greater numbers as the squeeze is put on by kingsnake.

 

[KJUN]

I hope this policy extends to other sites as well. Not only does it add some legitimacy to who you are dealing with, it provides a money trail once you know if this person is a person selling as a business or a business enterprise. In either case it provides some additional knowledge that can only benefit the buyer.

I'm sorry, but I think some of that is wishful thinking. For example, I could post under "John Somethingdale" and not have anything registered with kingsnake.com. It's a name - no registration required. Sure, it isn't MY name, but I could USE that name and have the paypal money sent to a hotmail address. People have already done this type of stuff, and it can be HARD (I hear) to get assistance from Paypal. ....and, there IS no requirements for registration by posting under a real name, so the thieves out there that USE their real name, can still post with NO changes made to how they do things!

.....and kingsnake.com requires payment. They know who they sold that account to (and they don't accept paypal any longer if I remember correctly), so they always COULD have helped buyers get information when they get scammed. I don't know if they have or have not in the past. I won't take a guess, but I will say I believe their policy on that front will not change with this new requirement. If they helped before, I think they will likely continue to help. If they did NOT help before, I suspect they will continue to not help. I never tried getting help, so I don't know if they did or did not. Sorry.

All this goes back to the LAWS requiring people selling under a business name to have a DBA. I believe EVERY state has a similar law, and it might even be a federal one. I'm not sure. Regardless, you probably need a DBA if you plan to sell under anything but your own name in any state of the union. They are just asking for that to be on file. It IS public records after all. I could request it from your state if I wanted - and they would have to provide it.

I was upset when I first heard they were doing this because it sounded like they were going to post stuff I did NOT want posted. They are keeping the information minimal, though. I'm OK with it. I'm not "glad" about it because I don't think it will do any good either way. I just don't care one way or another that it is required. It is easy to get posting permission, so no skin off of my nose.

KJ