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Bad Guy Kingsnake.com/Jeff Barringer/ Bad business!! Legal?

why do you think that personal attacks on people constantly are ok on here. that is not what this site is designed for. if you are retired then you should have plenty of time to think up intelligent responses to posts instead of just constantly pushing arguments further and further. seems to me you act more like a 17 year old high school girl than a retired adult man. Get a life or a second hobby. Something that will occupy you. People wonder why the boi may be going away and the sad part is all they have to do is look at members like you and they have their answer.

Brian. Your absolutely right and I want to apologize and acknowledge my part in being sucked into a stupid debate with either a 17yr old(or 70yr old). As someone mentioned to me in a private email on this site, I need to take the high road and just ignore the ignorance and immaturity on these threads. I just like for people to hear EVERYTHING before they make up their minds. Thanks again for injecting some common sense into this thread. Stay tuned....

Barry
 
Chuck....I am not a retailer with a ton of animals to sell like most of the people on KS.

I never asked you that.

I wanted to give Rich the opportunity to have fun with the hobby.

I never asked you that either.

I'll bet you haven't done enough for the reptile community to put you on it.

I don't even know what that means.

It's also guys like you who are preventing this site from becoming the #1 used reptile site and allows KS(Barringer) to sit back and laugh at all this BS. Good work!

Right, and before you got banned from KS it was the schnitzel. Now that KS wont have you or anything remotely associated with you, fauna is the #1 site for you.

You'll enjoy it here, everyone is welcome, even smugglers, as long as they follow the rules.

You are such a phony and full of baloney. I have never ever met someone that I believe in as little as I do you.
 
I have never ever met someone that I believe in as little as I do you.

Chuck, could you be more original and not post a quote you heard on "Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares"? HA HA!!! Your the one that's phony baloney Chuck. You get on here and post a bunch of BS for your own amusement and contribute nothing.
 
Hey Matt...look, they both subscribed to fauna in 04, and use the little devil avatar. Maybe they are the same person huh? HA HA!!!

The devil avatar just means we subscribe to a certain forum here on Fauna.

It's quite interesting how more and more of the story is coming out now.

It's so obvious that you have this Rich person trying to sell animals for you there since you cannot. Whether he is a "real" person or not doesn't matter in this case.

I don't feel sorry for you at all. I am sick of people that choose to break the law rationalize it by saying, "but if no one had broken any laws we would not have any bearded dragons (or whatever) to work with in this country".

Bottom line is that ksnake.com doesn't want you there, and doesn't want your "friend" there either. It's a privately owned site, they can kick off whoever they want to.
 
I don't have time to catch up with what has happened in this thread yet, but I think it's probably fair to say.......KNOCK IT OFF!

Unfortunately, due to some computer issues and me just plain ol' being busy, I can't give a definite comment on the Richard Montoya situation at this point. I hope to be able to soon. That is not an indication that it is acceptable for the participants in this thread to continue in as escalating display of off topic taunts and digs.

Think (at least) twice, and listen hard, before clicking submit...if any of the voices say Don't do it , take the advice.
 
I don't have time to catch up with what has happened in this thread yet, but I think it's probably fair to say.......KNOCK IT OFF!

Unfortunately, due to some computer issues and me just plain ol' being busy, I can't give a definite comment on the Richard Montoya situation at this point. I hope to be able to soon. That is not an indication that it is acceptable for the participants in this thread to continue in as escalating display of off topic taunts and digs.

Think (at least) twice, and listen hard, before clicking submit...if any of the voices say Don't do it , take the advice.

Just saw your post. No problem, I'm done.
 
I don't have time to catch up with what has happened in this thread yet, but I think it's probably fair to say.......KNOCK IT OFF!

Unfortunately, due to some computer issues and me just plain ol' being busy, I can't give a definite comment on the Richard Montoya situation at this point. I hope to be able to soon. That is not an indication that it is acceptable for the participants in this thread to continue in as escalating display of off topic taunts and digs.

Think (at least) twice, and listen hard, before clicking submit...if any of the voices say Don't do it , take the advice.

I'm sorry Harold. :blush:
 
Quite frankly I am less interested in knowing whether Rick is a real person and more interested in whether he is the legal owner of the torts he posted for sale. I guess by process of elimination we can start with the ID but that doesn't resolve the issue of whether he was unfairly banned for selling someone else's animals. :shrug01:
 
I'm already confident that Richard is a real person...if that was all I was hoping to confirm, I would have said it some time ago
 
I would also be interested in the wording of the ads that got him the boot from Kingsnake. I notice that no one has posted that text,

It seems to me that there are two possible scenarios here. I do not consider Barry's altruistic "I was just trying to be a good guy and give him a few odds and ends to have fun in the hobby' to be one of them

1. Richard was asked to sell Barry's animals since Barry was banned and was too stupid to refrain from mentioning it in the text of the ad

2. This was a consignment situation where Barry paid for the animals as he was selling them and was still too stupid to refrain from mentioning Barry in the ad.

Not really another viable solution that I can come up with.

The whole IP thing makes it that much more incestuous
 
First off, Harald will prove over the weekend that Richard is separate than me. Secondly, I had bought 9 reptiles overseas years back not fully knowing what ramifications that would take place or that I needed documents. That over embelished LA times article simply named me ALONG with Bobby Ginn as well as others who was reportedly using KS to launder his animals. NOT me. Mine got taken before I could even do anything with them.(Keep them, sell them, eat them, etc..) As they say, don't believe everything you read in the media. I wasn't arrested, but did have my day in court.

You are quick to call the LA time article as being embellished, but what about the other link that goes to the press release from the US Attorney's Office in CA. I'm fairly sure that many of the various news articles floating around got their info/details from that government document. If you weren't arrested, then how were you charged with,plead guilty to those charges and sentenced to probation?

United States Attorney's Office
Central District of California

Thom Mrozek
Public Affairs Officer

(213) 894-6947
[email protected]

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Release No. 07-067

May 17, 2007

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MAN SURRENDERS ON FEDERAL CHARGES OF SMUGGLING PROTECTED TORTOISES INTO THE UNITED STATES

A Diamond Bar man surrendered to federal agents this morning after being indicted earlier this week for his participation in a scheme that allegedly smuggled dozens of protected and endangered tortoises into the United States.

Wai Ho Gin, who also uses the name “Bobby Gin,” self-surrendered without incident to special agents with the United States Fish and Wildlife Service. Gin, 31, is expected to make his initial court appearance this afternoon in United States District Court in downtown Los Angeles.

A second defendant indicted Tuesday by a federal grand jury in Los Angeles – Umesh Kishore Tekani, who also uses the name “Mexx” – is a fugitive believed to be in Singapore, from where he allegedly shipped the tortoises that were illegally imported into the United States.

The indictment accuses Gin and Tekani of conspiracy, six counts of smuggling, three counts of importing goods by means of false statements and five counts of money laundering.

Gin and Tekani allegedly worked together to smuggle into the United States Radiated tortoises (Geochelone radiata), an endangered species threatened with extinction and protected by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES), which is implemented in the United States as part of the Endangered Species Act. They are also charged with illegally importing Indian Star tortoises (Geochelone elegans or Testudo elegans), a threatened species, the trading of which is strictly regulated by CITES. The indictment alleges that Tekani obtained the tortoises in Asia, arranged to ship the animals via common courier to Gin in the United States, where Gin would distribute them to customers across the nation.

The conspiracy and smuggling counts each carry a maximum possible penalty of five years in federal prison. The charge of importing goods by means of false statements carries a potential penalty of two years in prison. The statutory maximum penalty for money laundering is 20 years in prison.

An indictment contains allegations that a defendant has committed a crime. Every defendant is presumed to be innocent until and unless proven guilty.

Previously, as part of this investigation, four individuals were charged, pleaded guilty and sentenced to probation for receiving smuggled tortoises from Tekani. They are:

- David Yeh, 35, of Newport Coast, California, who admitted smuggling four Radiated tortoises and four Burmese Star tortoises that he received from Tekani;

- Barry Lambert, 36, of La Mesa, California, who admitted smuggling five Pancake tortoises and four Green Tree monitors that he received from Tekani;

- Ralph Hoekstra, 69, of Huntington Beach, California, who admitted smuggling 10 Indian Star tortoises he received from Tekani; and

- Jody Patterson, 46, of Norfolk, Virginia, who pleaded guilty in federal court in Virginia, admitting that she illegally imported and sold 46 Indian Star tortoises and two Radiated tortoises that had been shipped by Tekani.

The investigation into the tortoise-smuggling ring was conducted by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service, which is the principal federal agency responsible for conserving, protecting and enhancing fish, wildlife and plants and their habitats for the continuing benefit of the American people.

Fish and Wildlife Service Resident Agent in Charge Marie Palladini stated: “the USFWS Office of Law Enforcement continues to pursue its mission to curb the illegal wildlife trade, which is estimated to be between $10 billion and $20 billion annually.”

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Release No. 07-067
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You are quick to call the LA time article as being embellished, but what about the other link that goes to the press release from the US Attorney's Office in CA. I'm fairly sure that many of the various news articles floating around got their info/details from that government document. If you weren't arrested, then how were you charged with,plead guilty to those charges and sentenced to probation?[/QUOTE

Think and believe what you want about what the media and press reports tell you. Take it as gospel if you like. Afterall, the govt. and politicians we know don't lie or twist the truth right? Some of the details in the LA times article is different than what the U.S. Attny's office says. I'll just sit back and know what I know and let folks like yourself see it through rose colored glasses instead of being educated on what this is REALLY about. I paid my dues the hard way over 9 reptiles and LEARNED more about the hobby,enforcement, and laws than you ever could unless you've been in my shoes. The problem is that instead of people wanting to know how the system operates, they just ridicule because they believe everything they read and hear. Do you see anyone else being vocal about their situation? No. I offered to help people understand from my mistakes but instead I get verbally beat up for it. So, for that I'll just let people think what they want and they can learn their own life lessons.

Barry
 
You are quick to call the LA time article as being embellished, but what about the other link that goes to the press release from the US Attorney's Office in CA. I'm fairly sure that many of the various news articles floating around got their info/details from that government document. If you weren't arrested, then how were you charged with,plead guilty to those charges and sentenced to probation?

Adrian,

One final and quick note to point out. The US Attny's press release said nothing about KS, however The LA time article said that me and the others bought animals from Bobby which where used to sell on KS. NOT true. Two different stories altogether. I was never accused of selling animals on KS.(only by KS) How could I even if I wanted to? They got confiscated. Your right, no embellishment there right? Please get the facts before you send someone to the gas chamber ok? Done defending myself on all that.....Too bad all this energy can't be put into the animals we enjoy instead of on all this...I would have enjoyed sharing FACTS with people who wanted to "listen" first, and "talk" second......Martha Stewart did time for millions and didn't get condemned this bad. Oh well........

Barry
 
Barry, if you want to share those facts - this thread is not the place to do it
 
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