KINGSNAKE.COM....THE TRUTH

[tim8dena]

i can understand both sides i guess, on the one hand ks.com is a private business and can refuse service to anyone. on the other hand, the TS states that this is a misunderstanding and has been banned with no opportunity to state their side. the only sticking point i have is how much paid time did the banned user have left on his account. if he paid for a service then in my opinion he should be able to either use the service or be shown PROOF POSITIVE that he violated the rules. OR a refund of the unused money. maybe i missed this in the posts somewhere, or maybe kingsnake doesn't work that way, not sure, i am not a user there. but i assume you pay some sort of monthly or annual fee, if he was banned with no way to state his case, should he not get a refund of the unused portion?

kingsnake refunded all moneys that was owed..so that was never the question

tim

 

[snake5007]

What was the need to post it here then? Was it just to make the facts known?

 

[tim8dena]

Did he though? I've been trying to follow the thread and believe I have the gist of it, but I have been given two, maybe even three different impressions based on some of the posts and I am unable to sort out which one is the truth.

Situation A: User One gets their account yanked for whatever reason and is unable to use the classifieds, so User Two begins posting ads for animals in the posession of User One, who will be drop shipping in the event of purchase. The animals are never in the posession of User Two.

That would be a clear violation of KS's policies as stated and a suspension for user two would be logical and justified.

Situation B: User One gets their account yanked for whatever reason but continues to sell their animals through other venues. Wholesale lists, other websites, shows and preexisting contacts. User Two purchases animals from User One and, now in posession and as the legal owner of the stock, decides to resell it and lists it on Kingsnake. KS's moderators were aware that the banned User One was the previous owner or dealt in that kind of stock, make an assumption about who owns the animals and enforce a suspension.

Basically a misunderstanding that didn't actually involve any violations of KS's stated policies and should have been able to be cleared up with a little communication.


Both of the above situations are, of course, filtered through the basic policy of any non-government business, where they have the right to refuse service for any or no reason to anyone. I'd hope that anyone running a business would have some sense of perspective and reason and not start tossing bans out to anyone even remotely associated with someone who was already kicked, but on the flipside, reputation and association do matter and people are constantly drawing up "sides" when there's conflict of any sort.

thank you for seeing that part..majority have seen this part and have supported me via email etc..there are a few who seem I'm only whining and wanting a pity party..

i thought all the facts were on the table but some seem to still be leaving or missing part...


1 i bought and paid for animals from Michael Cole after his suspension/ban from a whole sale list..purchased and took possesion of them

2 i took my own pictures(some one asked about that) and posted them for sale on kingsnake along side my 07 morphs i produced

3 i was banned from kingsnake for circumventing their ban (they never told me who i circumvented)

4 no explanation was ever given to me..even when i attempted to contact them via email etc no response was ever given to me

5 Michael sent a letter to the legal department at kingsnake explaing that if indeed the ban on my account was from me selling animals they thought were associated with him that all records were available to show that i had purchased them and took possesion..however no response ever came to Michael from kingsnake or Jeff and letter was signed that it was received by Jeff himself


6 daytona...Jeff took a few moments to talk to Michael concerning the ban on both parties..he told Michael that it had appeared to him and others(no names were ever given)that i must be selling Michaels animals because i had not been selling morphs prior to his ban...(this is where i had previously stated how can i sell morphs before august when mine were not born till middle of July and they needed to have a few meals in them)..Jeff also told Michael that nothing he showed etc would change his mind..however he told Michael that he and i could re-apply in 3 months..

7.. 3 months have passed and i re-applied after 4 emails to their review department(no other way to contact them is given) just as Jeff said i could(even though no one there would even give me the chance to defend myself) this is the response i got from them

After a careful review of documentation provided by our archives, by
other users, or interviews conducted by our staff, it has been
determined that you are in breach of your contract with our business
with the following TOS violations.

Account Sharing
Circumventing Ban

Ive never shared an account and i never circumvented a ban
Ive never bashed kingsnake or anyone there..the last person asked why i posted this here since kingsnake refunded my $$$

8 i posted this here as i receive so many emails and phone calls asking why i don't sell on kingsnake anymore...
when i try to explain different parts got confused..so to keep anyone from bashing kingsnake etc and losing their accounts i decided to post here so they could see how things can happen over there...

as far as the animals still being posted on Michaels web site that is out of my control..i have no access to his web site to change animals being offered..and for the record that was only an assumption as neither Jeff nor anyone from kingsnake ever mentioned that..it was the only logical explanation we could come up with..as i bought a few albinos and some yellow bellies..and these animals were all normal looking morphs..no distinguishing marks..how someone could tell these were produced by Michael would be unknown to me..

again nothing against Michael as he has done everything in his power to correct this for me..but if i was indeed found guilty of selling animals that were still on his site Michael should have been punished not me..as i did not post them on his site nor do i have any control of his site..

this is why i posted this here..i felt i was wronged..yes Jeff and kingsnake have the right to ban anyone or allow anyone to they choose to use their site..however their reasons for banning me i think were unfounded and they will not listen to me nor will they give me the place to state my case and this is the BOI..my inquiry was to how many others this has happened to..

as far as getting my account back I'm sure i never will..but since i know this thread has made its way to the powers that be at kingsnake possibly they will look into the way they handle some situations so the the next person like me is not banned for something out of their controll

Tim

 

[Keith Northrop]

I Meant no Disrespect to you Mike......

P.S> Keith I resent the implicatiion highly that I am a rip off artist thief etc. Quite the contrary I think youll find that In the years I have been in business I have had nothing but an excellent reputation in this business and have thousands of happy and satisfied customers.
My issue was complaining publically on KS.about a rip off artist.
what smells like stinky sardines??

I Knew not neither name nor knew what I know now?.....New news needed new veiws............Did the 2nd guy(Named ealier) Buy and resell your Animals also??
Just want to make sure I don't get caught up in any jams....Which I'm prone
to on KS.....Heh Heh....That's why I don't post in the forms there.....Good Luck

 

[Wraith]

again that is the question..what is the reason

tim

You say you were told you could return in 3 months. But you contradict your own statement in an earlier post where you say you were told that you could "re-apply" in 3 months. There is a difference. They did not say that you were guaranteed that you could return in 3 months and get the account back - only that you could re-apply for an account and they turned around and denied giving you your account back when you reapplied. You keep hoping for a reason other than what they already gave you and seem frustrated when you don't like what they told you already. They really are not obligated to give you any reason at this point since you did say they refunded your money. Your contract with them is completed and they have a right to refuse further service.

 

[Mattsgecko]

I am a member at a gym and they will and did hold my account for me while I was in Mexico. I also froze my cell phone, house phone, and cut of my gas and water connection to my house. I was in Mexico... I couldn't use my account therefore am entitled to be able to hold my account. Its crap that they didn't do it for me. I posted this to agree that I do not care for KS and all I get is cheap stabs from persons with fat fingers that sit at home all day typing on their cheetos stained keyboards.
Thanks,
Matt White
706-888-6287

 

[Seamus Haley]

I couldn't use my account therefore am entitled to be able to hold my account.

dictionary.com

Look up the word "entitled"

 

[Wilomn]

dictionary.com

Look up the word "entitled"

You think he's entitled to that?

 

[Lucille]

I am a member at a gym and they will and did hold my account for me while I was in Mexico. I also froze my cell phone, house phone, and cut of my gas and water connection to my house. I was in Mexico... I couldn't use my account therefore am entitled to be able to hold my account. Its crap that they didn't do it for me. I posted this to agree that I do not care for KS and all I get is cheap stabs from persons with fat fingers that sit at home all day typing on their cheetos stained keyboards.
Thanks,
Matt White
706-888-6287

It is a common military (and legal) tactic to portray the 'other side' as some dastardly Godless baby eating group of terrorists.

In reality, people are pretty much the same all over. I've been on KS, posted nice stuff about and invitations to Fauna which as I remember did not last long but I was never banned. There.

Rather than quibble about entitlements, I think the focus is about places that are run differently. No choices need to be made.

And, maybe a focus on misunderstandings. If KS misunderstood, time and courtesy will do wonders.

 

[Wilomn]

It is a common military (and legal) tactic to portray the 'other side' as some dastardly Godless baby eating group of terrorists.

In reality, people are pretty much the same all over. I've been on KS, posted nice stuff about and invitations to Fauna which as I remember did not last long but I was never banned. There.

Rather than quibble about entitlements, I think the focus is about places that are run differently. No choices need to be made.

And, maybe a focus on misunderstandings. If KS misunderstood, time and courtesy will do wonders.

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I suppose you've missed entirely the point that Tim has made.

I'm not surprised.

Playing both ends against the middle is one of your classes right now, isn't it?

 

[Lucille]

AHahahahAHHAhahaHAHAHahAHAHahAHAhahahahAHahaah

I suppose you've missed entirely the point that Tim has made.

I'm not surprised.

Playing both ends against the middle is one of your classes right now, isn't it?

You are a silly, argumentative old man, Wes. You follow me around and post about whatever I say. High school, Wes.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

KS SUCKS!

Can't speak out against crooks or you get banned.

Can't call out liars, or you get banned.

If you ain't in the clique, your posts get ignored, or edited to suit some moderators whim at the time.

And the selling below "market value" stuff.... Pfff. Kiss my skinny white

Nobody tells me what to sell MY animals at. That's why they never got my money. I'd rather donate it, than to be dictated to like that.

My 2¢

 

[Chameleon Company]

Way off topic ..

But facts be had, Lucille you are quite a bit wrong here ...

It is a common military (and legal) tactic to portray the 'other side' as some dastardly Godless baby eating group of terrorists.

No, it is a "propaganda" or "political" tactic. In days of yore ... long ago yore ... propaganda was more intertwined with training in the military. I can guarantee you that the modern day military does the exact opposite in attempting to understand all it can in about the enemy so as not to underestimate them. Its the politicians and media propagandists that want things to be so simple. For the record, they are only baby-killing and baby-burning terrorists, Godless or not as you like it.

Back on topic, I would hope that all parties can recover as quickly as possible from this and move on the wiser.

 

[tim8dena]

KS SUCKS!

Can't speak out against crooks or you get banned.

Can't call out liars, or you get banned.

If you ain't in the clique, your posts get ignored, or edited to suit some moderators whim at the time.

And the selling below "market value" stuff.... Pfff. Kiss my skinny white

Nobody tells me what to sell MY animals at. That's why they never got my money. I'd rather donate it, than to be dictated to like that.

My 2¢

tell us how you really feel...and dont hold back this time

 

[LeviathanNI]

Meh.. I thought I had something to say, but it I just re read before posting, and it looked like a load of ballix..

We don't have KS in the UK, but to me it looks like it has become a major power in the US rep community, a bit like a stock exchange. If it is just that, then it makes sense that big 'companies' would have more of the ear of the exchange, than the wee single share owner. I think I will stick with the market stall I kow most of the owners and can see the stock.

 

[critical bill]

Tim, I have a question. Were you aware that other sellers had been previously banned for selling animals that were in connection with Mike?

 

[tim8dena]

Tim, I have a question. Were you aware that other sellers had been previously banned for selling animals that were in connection with Mike?

as far as i know there was only one other banned in supposed association to this matter and that was neil....again i dont want to involve him as he is handling his issues on his own....and i know he was selling his own animals not michaels..no others that i know of

tim

 

[snake5007]

KS SUCKS!

Can't speak out against crooks or you get banned.

Can't call out liars, or you get banned.

If you ain't in the clique, your posts get ignored, or edited to suit some moderators whim at the time.

And the selling below "market value" stuff.... Pfff. Kiss my skinny white

Nobody tells me what to sell MY animals at. That's why they never got my money. I'd rather donate it, than to be dictated to like that.

My 2¢

I've seen some people actually call it Kingsucks.com. Tim's situation just adds to the suckability factor, IMO. The thing that i don't like about kingsnake is the fact that scammers can get away with it over there. I know that the rules have been changed over there so that you have to provide proof of identity and such to post ads, but they don't seem to take the fact that some of those "honest" people are scammers very seriously. Yet they ban innocent people without even showing them proof of what they've done.

 

[snake5007]

Meh.. I thought I had something to say, but it I just re read before posting, and it looked like a load of ballix..

We don't have KS in the UK, but to me it looks like it has become a major power in the US rep community, a bit like a stock exchange. If it is just that, then it makes sense that big 'companies' would have more of the ear of the exchange, than the wee single share owner. I think I will stick with the market stall I kow most of the owners and can see the stock.

Actually Neill, we have Kingsnake europe.

 

[bud mierkey]

kingsnake does not let dog packs on their site

KS. simply does not let the pack of dogs attack people like they do here.
face it .
if you have problems you must handle it like real people do.
unlike this site where they run amuck atacking at will saying virtualy anything
like a pack of mindless wild dogs biting untill they bleed their victims to death.
with weird and twisted ideas they come up with to try to destroy
such as 10 month old parasite issue over a simple ball python.
sorry but stuff like this would never fly in the real world.
so in my opinion king snake is keeping their site clean free of dog packs.
and free of somthing I cannot mention with out being hit with warning
points which also ruins credibility.
that must make your dog bone boil hahahahahaha.
dont forget to get those pesky rabies shots on time.