Kingsnake problem, anyone else had this problem with classified account?

[Savannah]

Not sure if this is the proper place, if it is then Rich should delete it.

I am curious as to how many people out there have had their kingsnake classified account canceled with no reason and with unusual suspicious circumstances. If you dont want to post here, please email me. [email protected]

I am just wanting to talk to people that have had this problem. Please if it were because of a sell or buying problem, this isnt what Im talking about.

Thank you all very much
Savannah Sernas

 

[Adam Block]

Did you see me holding a match and decide it would be funny to toss some gas on me

I don't have a ton of love for Jeff the owner of Kingsnake however I've grown up enough to let jeffbarringersucks.com and kingsnakesucks.com expire.

Fact is, it's his site and he seems to be able to do as he wants. Kingsnake moves more animals for people then ANYTHING else out there. People allow it and give him huge amounts of money to advertise there because it brings business. I doubt that's going to change.

He has kicked off many people for seemingly no reason. I would have no issue with that provided he'd refunded my money, even on a pro-rated basis. However, he just BOOM, deleted my account and at that point stole my money if you ask me!

If you look at his ever growing TOS he can kick you off for anything. Heck, even putting **** at the end of an ad violates kingsnake TOS. I've seen breeder like the Barkers violate his TOS however they spend too much money with Jeff to get booted.

All about the mighty dollar my friend, oh and if Jeff's had a bad day. If you ask me, the guys a flake that spends far too much time sleepin in his Fruit Loops.

Good luck but not much you can do about it.

 

[JungleHabitats]

lmao Adam

its called Kingsnake Gustapho (sp)
i have an account there and i have been lucky ... i have posted thanks sold in classifieds and was warned of how illeagal it was .. i have have threads in the forum deleted for no reason or explanation
Now chances are if you mentioned the word "fauna" or "BOI" or anything to do with this great site here then thats probably why you got booted even if it was nothing more then to direct someone here to look at something that had nothing to do with KS like adam said he can and will do what ever he wants at any given time due to the fact it is his site and its in the TOS that no $ will be refunded its like going to Vegas there no guarantee you will leave with any thing in your wallet lol

 

[Roger Jolly]

Well, this is going to be a joke of a thread if ever there was one on the BOI. I have been lurking here off and on for ages and one thing that is pretty obvious is that there are sacred cows in the herp business. And kingsnake.com is the biggest of the bunch. Most people here will do anything, and I do mean anything, at all to keep from losing their account at kingsnake.com. I watched with interest as this site got blocked from kingsnake.com, and there was barely a ripple of outrage from the masses here, where the same thing done by other sites to other people got most everyone worked up into a frenzy of condemnation. But obviously the fear of losing their account was enough for you good people to swallow your pride and ethics and turn a blind eye. Look at all of the discussion about Mario Stinso and his boycott. Isn't Jeffie basically doing the same thing by blocking domain names from being typed into the forums over there?

Then Jeffie went and banned the owner of this site's other domains as well, and again I watched with amusement as the BOI hypocrites did nothing and said nothing at all about it. I talked to the webslave via emails about this issue and I am here to tell you that you all came very close to losing the BOI because of what he saw happening here.

Most of you people make my lower intestines twinge, wanting to expell what I think about you. You base your good guy/bad guy labels based on what the target is to you, financially, rather than a completely unbiased view of what they are doing. Most of what many people say here is just so genuinely biased based on personal self interest that it makes the BOI nearly meaningless. Same thing has happened with NERD, and when I posted a rather subtle post (too subtle, apparently) about Mark and Kim Bell's hybridization, they were all given the tuck tail and ignore routines as well. If you are all going to just let the other guy get the crap beat out of them by a bad guy, simply because the bad guy earns you money, then you are no better than the worse of the scum that have been exposed on the BOI.

Kingsnake.com is what it is because you people are there advertising there and falling all over yourselves to give Jeffie your money. So when Jeffie finally turns his attentions to you and demands that you suck his big toe or you lose your account, don't come crying here about it. You are only reaping the crop from the seeds that you have sown.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. Take it or leave it.

My, my, look at all of the people ducking their heads into the sand right now while reading my post. Impressive. Go ahead, tell me I am wrong.

 

[Wilomn]

Duck this roger. And it's sort of hard to understand you with that toe in your mouth.

Wes Pollock

 

[JungleHabitats]

Jolly Roger .. or what ever your name is

first of all i myself can honestly say i fall at no ones feet BUT my sons. Yes i have a KS account does it bother me ? nahh not really see in life there are all kinds of things that one does in life for a reason ... I got a KS account last yr when i had a large clutch of boas born .. i used it to sale them there and i also sold them here ... now with that said i somewhat kinda think i understand what you said

I watched with interest as this site got blocked from kingsnake.com, and there was barely a ripple of outrage from the masses here, where the same thing done by other sites to other people got most everyone worked up into a frenzy of condemnation.

why would we even care ? they way i see it in my line of work i am a contractor by trade i dont go advertising the competition so i wouldnt expect the competition to advertise for me ... thats simple kinda like a "No compete clause" if you ask me

But obviously the fear of losing their account was enough for you good people to swallow your pride and ethics and turn a blind eye.

look at my above reply for this answer

Look at all of the discussion about Mario Stinso and his boycott. Isn't Jeffie basically doing the same thing by blocking domain names from being typed into the forums over there?

that got feedback due to its just to damn funny and came from someone who is really in need of a therapist

Then Jeffie went and banned the owner of this site's other domains as well, and again I watched with amusement as the BOI hypocrites did nothing and said nothing at all about it

Again that is a choice jeff was fully free to make does it mean rich would do the same ? maybe its his choice

Most of you people make my lower intestines twinge, wanting to expell what I think about you

Please dont hold back i am sure 90% of are adults and beleive me if i knew you on a personell basis and i didnt like you i would surely let it be known . But as of now i have no hate for you and my intestines only twinge on bad mexican food

You base your good guy/bad guy labels based on what the target is to you, financially, rather than a completely unbiased view of what they are doing. Most of what many people say here is just so genuinely biased based on personal self interest that it makes the BOI nearly meaningless

this is called bad buisness on there part .. if someone duffs a transaction in my line of work (contracting) and i hear of it i give my opion if i am asked to do so i then tell that person that was duffed what i can do for them if it makes me money well all the better if they choose to go back to the person who duffed them then they in my eyes deserve what they get with that choice plain & simple

Kingsnake.com is what it is because you people are there advertising there and falling all over yourselves to give Jeffie your money. So when Jeffie finally turns his attentions to you and demands that you suck his big toe or you lose your account, don't come crying here about it. You are only reaping the crop from the seeds that you have sown

Read my first line my son is only person i cater to if Jeff feels the need to cancel my account is there anything i can do ? no

just for the record i have not used that account for 7-8 months to sale a snake on due to the fact that i have none to sale .. will i let the account expire when time is up maybe ... maybe not all depends on how i feel at the time does it have anything to do with how jeff is not IMO due to the fact i am fully aware of his sites rules if i violate them im out no biggie i have lost more money in a bar or at a poker table then i will lose with jeff

now to just clear this post up im not mad at you Jolly or giving [bleep] to you just answering what you dared me to ... have a good night

oh by the way read the TOS of the BOI it plainly states you need a FULL NAME to post or it will be deleted

 

[Roger Jolly]

Sure is a real mind boggler to figger out that my real name actually is ROGER JOLLY, now ain't it?

As I am predicting, watch this thread be read a lot but replied to very little. Especially by those members that have a financial interest in that site. Yeah, get business and ethics in an arm wrestling match, you tell me who would win, hands down.

You are ignoring my point. In that kind of environment, what purpose is served by the BOI with input from such members? I do believe that some members have recognized that conflict and don't come here any more for that reason. Kudos to those gents for having the balls to recognize the face in the mirror. Or is it simply fear that Jeffie will see them as members here and might get his nose twisted out of joint over it? In that case, we have a case of some gonad challenged members, I suppose.

Whatever. Have a nice night, gents. Watching nekked ladies on the screen is a much more enjoyable use of my time then being here rubbing your noses in your own droppings.

 

[Adam Block]

Things that suck but we still use them include:

Microsoft
Wal-Mart
Gas Prices
Kingsnake

Fact of the matter is people turn a blind eye to anything that makes them money or is too big for them to speak against without loosing face.

Cases in point:

Bob Clarks collection of mites that have a snake infestation.

The Bell's practices, come on, you've all heard about how the man keeps those king snakes he produces, I bought from him years ago, under-fed yearlings, not great snakes by any means. He's the biggest not the best yet nobody will say a bad word about him.

There are few big people in this business that got there by producing super high quality animals and keeping a high moral standing in the business community.

Kingsnake is UNTOUCHABLE!!! That is the one message that has rang clear to me for the past year.

I had a poll someplace on the BOI and asked if the big name breeders were untouchable, without having to say who thought so the truth came out.

Just as a side note, when Jeff stole my money the TOS didn't say there was no refund, he added that for me. Way I figure it is I hear all the time the man is looking worse and worse, it can get away with a lotta things but can't hide from Kahrma!

 

[KJUN]

I have a question...

OK, so why does THIS thread get to stay when no facts are given, silly accusations are made without evidence, and posts are made all through it without people properly putting their names at the bottom? I'm not even counting that if this wasa personal affront, someone would be complaining that a new thread was started on an old topic.

Is it because it is anti-kingsnake or have the rules been laxed on the BOI which allows people to acuse others of mysterious actions without proof?

It is no secret that I like Jeff. I have found him to be fair to me when I am fair to him. That's how I judge a person. I may not agree with all of the things done under his name, but I respect him and can usually see where the person deserved some action against the,. Matter of fact, if it was my site (which it isn't), I'd be even more strict and make everyone follow the TOS to the T...lol. I am not here to defend him - I'm not his Mamma.

I am here asking why isn't he given the same treatment that the "bad guys" get. Fair is fair or this site well become a useless cesspool. That would be true even if I hated Jeff. Fair is fair. Why is everyone here doing what they just accused him of doing while sitting up on their own high horse?

Of course, I point no fingers at anyone. I'm just speaking air. I certainly point no fingers at Webslave, because I like him, too AND he hasn't even posted on this thread....lol. So, I can't even if I wanted to. I'm also glad for many of the things Webslave has done, too. My hat's off to him.

KJ

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

I am curious. This question is directed to the starter of this thread. Are you claiming that with no provocation, no infraction of TOS and no warning you simply received an email stating that you account had been cancelled? No reason or explanation was given?

If this is your claim, I find it extremely difficult to believe. Of the two people who post here that I can recall that got the boot from Kingsnake, both were banned for legitamate reasons and were alerted in detail as to the cause.

Adam did virtually everything he could to get himself booted. He purposely kept butting up against their TOS and ignored several warnings. (Just about the way he got himself booted off of this site as well). The other guy (name escapes me) sent Jeff a scathing Email that called him a poor businessman for not alerting him to the renewal date on his account. If I were Jeff, i would have booted him too.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but if you have a specific gripe...voice it and state the details. If you can't do that then the allusions and innuendo have no place here. The General Business Discussions forum is designed specifically for this type of meandering crap.

 

[JungleHabitats]

KJUN... NO Offense

posts are made all through it without people properly putting their names at the bottom

but what is your full name ? im not postive but id say you were not named KJ as a first name ? if im wrong im truely sorry but when you want to talk about rules you must first learn to follow them yourself


full name in post my friend

 

[Adam Block]

KJ, there isn't one post in here without a name so I don't know where you got that from.

Alan, I think we all know who KJ is. He goes by KJ and while I see your point, the BOI says full name and not nick name I don't know what to say. KJ, you're the one saying fair is fair and the only one in this thread without his full name as tos says.

John, you must have taken a wrong turn someplace. I've heard time after time how I was doing things I shouldn't have on kingsnake. From the time I was emailed about the issue at hand to the time I was booted was like 15 minutes. I think you should get your facts in order before you crack those knuckles and start typing. I'd been using kingsnake since it was alterna.com and that was the first issue EVER!

I posted links where the Barkers were violating TOS, are you saying they should be booted too?

I would bet ANYBODY on here I can find 50 ads on KS right now that violate their TOS and nothing is done about it! Are you saying all their accounts should be banned too?

Look at this TOS:

http://market.king*****.com/tos.php (I edited that, just don't want that link popping up in a seach and getting Jeff more attention)

That is INSANE!!!

 

[Adam Block]

"Your account has been terminated.

Your refund for the balance of your account services
is enroute via whatever methodology you paid us with."

Just for kicks I thought I'd put that quote from Jeff to me up. Of course that refund never did come! I'll have to assume he changed his TOS just because of me, hey, put it in the TOS that way you have an excuse for stealing from people.

 

[NEWReptiles]

KS is a joke!

Jeff stole my money because I posted pics in the pic forum that were "unacceptable"

NO warnings, just wheeled off.

The pics were of my car before we left for Daytona a few months ago. I thought they were fine because my car was modified for the trip to the big show. NO NUDITY and NOTHING OFFENSIVE.

 

[KJUN]

Haahaa

That's funny. The name comment I was commenting on was Mr. Roger Jolly or Jolly Roger. I won't go so far as to say that isn't a real name (it could be!), but it wasn't posted properly in the first place.

As far as KJ being my name, no. It is NOT what is on my birth certificate. My name is Kenneth Joseph Lodrigue, Jr. Wait. That's a lie. I guess I should write "Junior." Nope. It isn't that way on my birth certificate. I guess it is Kenneth Joseph Lodrigue with no junior even though I'm named after my father. I'll break the news to him. Oh, crap. I've been spelling it as Josef (German spelling) for almost 2 decades now. I'm gonna rot in Hades.

On the other hand, US regs say a court approved change only makes a name change official. I can legally go by the name I choose (not for SS purposes, though). With that in mind, I just looked at my degrees. They all say KJ. I checked my CHL. Guess what it says: KJ. Hmmm, credit cards, phone service, etc.? You guessed it. So, if you wanted to find me, would you look under "KJ" or "Kenneth?"

So, if you want to fuss at me for using "KJ," then kick off everyone that hasn't put their middle name in a post since it is part of their COMPLETE name. In this thread alone, does Wes's name actually say Wes on his birth certificate? What about Al? Come on. You two are being childish.

KJ IS my name as far as I am concerned. If Rich (hmmm, bet that isn't his first name, either...lol), doesn't like that, I'll enjoy being banned....lol. As far as you two go, either pick on my name or answer my questions. I always liked the conversations I had in the past with you Adam, but I think you deserved to get kicked off of Kingsnake.com as much as you deserved to get kicked off of this site. I should follow your advice on the rules since you should know them all - you've been warned for breaking them all it seems....lol.

Now, argue about my name as much as you want, but don't expect any answers from me until someone addresses why this is allowed to remain here and open without proof of a wrong-doing done to Mrs. Savannah "no middle name" Sernas by kingsnake.com while other posts were removed - OR CORRECTED - for less?

KJ

 

[JungleHabitats]

simple answer Kenneth Joseph

as you said for Jeffery ... its his site and his rules ... same applies for Rich Zuhkowski... if you dont like by all means we will not force you to use it all were saying when you want to get there from here you have to follow the directions for getting there .

Whether or not this post stays here is totally at richs discretionif he feels its legit it will stay if not im sure it will go . After reading the TOS for jefferies place i had to hold onto my chair it would be easy for him to ban damn near everyone there from his terms ... but as Adam i believe it was said the most money stays ... there are numerous posts made there that blatently go against his very own TOS... i could go in and count many that post more then 3 a day , post morethen one add per snake etc ... Prehistoric pets is always famous for the posting more then 3 in a day i have seen 4-5-6 in a day from them i had even used his own saying " please let us know of any violations of our TOS" well that was as useless as tits on a bull due to why ?? the fact that they paid for LARGE accounts and will again next yr yeah he could ban them keep there $$$ but how much would he lose in doing that? more then he would if he turned his head to them

heres a few just in the boas classifieds who have violated his TOS on daily posts of no more then three
Serpents Den-5
City of roses herpetoculture-5

if i had timeto waste i am sure there many more that violate other TOS there in there posts like PreHistoric pets where when you there ad is showing a "clickable link that re directs you to there site .. jeff said tha he doesnt let you post that to get web traffic ? the list is longer then you meager beef with this post so please can the corn KJ ...

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Posted on an earlier thread by Adam Block. The link to the full thread is below.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10740&highlight=kingsnake+account

"I started seeing all of the supply ads that are basicly playing on people lack of time to find a good price or the correct use of a product. Many, like DCL selling liners at $30 when you can buy them from the same place he does for under $10 just tick me off. I would rather see people spend this money on their reptiles then his advertising. Then other like Pro Exotics selling Virosan pre mixed to people for $5 a pop just tick me off because it's a product that loses effectiveness after being mixed and should be mixed each time you use it, once mixed the shelf life is short. I don't want to see people buying something on a claim and having the seller make money on something that will no longer meet that claim.

So what I did was offer the information for free to people. For some very odd reason that went over less then well and it was suggested I charge for it so the general public didn't have access to it. I was fine with that but don't want to make money so I thought I would ask for a donation to keep adding to the list and bringing people betting info.

As such I posted an ad on kingsnake.com and got tagged hard with a warning from none other then Jeff.

Now, I've been less then happy with him and his selective sensoring of ads. Seems 10 of my ads were removed for things I see people doing EVERY DAY, big name people. Things like posting an ad in the Colubrid section and mentioning the Boa you have for sale. None of these ads get removed but then again this situation with me comes down to bottom dollar."

Basically you took it upon yourself to advertise other sources on Kingsnake that directly competed with the paying merchants who advertise there. In essence, giving those sources free advertising on Kingsnake. Gee...I can't imagine why the paying merchants and Jeff got pissed. If you felt that badly about people possibly paying too much you should have started your own company and undercut the other suppliers. That would have been fair competion. What you did was, in essence, attempt to fix prices. If you wanted to give the list away on your own site...fine. What you did do was blatantly wrong.

Also posted by Adam in the same thread.

"
I was going to post another ad "selling a list" with this information and wanted to ask if you can see anything in the TOS saying I couldn't do that? If so do you have any ideas how I can post this info in the supplies section?



quote:
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No
You may NOT sell a list.
Once again that is advertising for other businesses
If it shows up your gone.

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Just got this email, that blows that idea, any others?"


And


"Well, I guess an email questioning his motive was all it took. We'll see if the refund comes, if not Jeff has stole my money as I hadn't posted another ad that violated (well, I didn't even have time to place another) TOS after he warned me."


And also:

"
Jeff's little ego was offended by the emails so you deleted my account"

Let's see...

1.) They deleted 10 ads that you posted that violated TOS

2.) They warned you about the ad giving away a list to screw with his paying members

3.) You contacted them and asked if there was a way to get around their terms of service and still post the list.

4.) You then sent Jeff an Email "questioning his motive" (I'm sure that was a real doozie)

5.) He then cancelled your account

Yup...that really sounds like he warned you and then booted you with no provacation on your first infraction.

Why do you find it necessary to continuosly lie on this forum Adam? Do you think no one knows how to use the search feature on this site? You have been a troublemaker since day one here and it is pretty safe to assume that your attitude back then on Kingsnake was similar to your twisted attitude in your first incarnation on this site.

Adam has said repeatedly "Jeff stole my money"

Adam, if you pay to go into any venue and then violate their TOS and act like an ass do you honestly think they should give you a refund? Take a walk into the real world boy. Business is business and troublemakers and malcontents who have the mistaken grandiose opinion that they are smarter than the rest of the populace are not particularly welcome anywhere. I would think your trend of getting the boot on both of these sites would have taught you something.

 

[David Boggs]

King Snake Bad?

I am new to the reptile internet sales thing. I have been a member here for a few months and think this is a fantastic site for discussion and sales of reptiles and supplies. I recently opened a classified account on KS and put "for sale or trade" in one of my ads. I got an e-mail asking me to place the ad either in for sale or trade section and use correct wording. I went in and edited out the "or trade" part and have had no problem. I appreciate the fact that I was requested to ammend my ad rather than just having it deleted. This is my newby and naive opinion. Thank you for reading it. David Boggs

 

[Adam Block]

KJ, I always have liked you because you don't stand down to anybody. That hasn't changed I see and I'm sure I still like you. However, you're as easly sidetracked as an ant with a leaf in his path. Do you really think the name thing was an issue warrenting that long of a post? I think KJ is fine, Rich even more so because if I were looking for him I would looke for his full name before Rich. With KJ I would have guessed Kenin long before Ken.

I was a paying merchant on kingsnake and while I'll be the first to say the post may have violated TOS that why I never posted it again after being asked not to. Still, I was kicked off cause, well, Jeff was off his meds or whatever it is that causes him to inforce his rules so wishy washy and come across as two different people.

Let me make a list here:

1) I produce ZERO snakes!

2) I make NO money off reptiles!

3) I'm not looking to get anything from anybody having to do with herps!

4) I haven't bought a snake in at least 6 months.

5) I have no interest or need in advertising on, using or posting at kingsnake.

I know it should be REALLY easy to figure out but what's my motivation for lying again?

I'll tell you all what since as adults you can't seem to stay on track. I'm telling people about my dealing with kingsnake.

From what I saw this was a post about kingsnake.

There are a ton of threads about me and even some addressing my issues with kingsnake. If you still need to hash over those facts, bring one of those threads back to the top of the pile or start a whole new Adam Block thread to help you deal with this. Don't violate this boards TOS to post off topic about me. I as well as many others I'm sure are getting a little tired of any post I say something in turning into an Adam Block tread.

Thank you all kindly and I look forward to addressing whatever issues you have with me in a post that would be better suited to the topics.

 

[Adam Block]

Oh and John, the refund was Jeff's words not mine.

Your account has been terminated.

Your refund for the balance of your account services
is enroute via whatever methodology you paid us with."

I think I should be given a refund if they say they will. Jeff said he would and never did but I can see how you all would like to overlook that.