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Klingenbergs Parasite I.D. Chart?

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Does anybody know where to get Roger Klingenbergs laminated parasite chart & formulary? I've gone through the search engines, and haven't turned anything up. Perhaps somebody has one they would like to sell me?

Shelly Dougherty
 
Hi Shelly,

You've peaked my interest (I'm a herp fanatic and science freak, lol) - Is this associated w/his book on reptile parasites? When was this produced? I'll try to find out, just need some more information...
 
Ah, I am enlightened! Thanks to both of you! :wavey:

But better put Crypto on there...LOL :dgrin: :bluegrab:
 
Nice. I've got several slides of it but most of them are necropsy images, which are interesting but not so useful for fecals...where's the detail on the chart from? Is it leopard gecko related or a different strain?
 
Linz M said:
Nice. I've got several slides of it but most of them are necropsy images, which are interesting but not so useful for fecals...where's the detail on the chart from? Is it leopard gecko related or a different strain?
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There are two Cryptosporidia sp. Oocysts, both from Pardalis Chameleons, one at 100x (really small dots), and one at 400x


The rest are all from different herps. None from leopard geckos.
 
Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You

I think the chart came out when he published his book in '93. It's been around for a long time. He has a section in the new leopard gecko book that was released this month and mentions using trimethoprim sulfa a few times. That isn't in his old book, and it would be great if he released an updated version of that book. It would be comforting to know if there are other new meds he is happy with, and if he still recommends the same dosage rates and frequency on the other ones - such as Panacur. If you talk to 3 different vets on the dosage and frequency of dosage of Panacur you will get 3 different answers. At least I have.

I just bought a microscope and my reptile vet told me he'd train me to do the fecal testing myself. That is great and I think this is going to be fun - not to mention a money saver and time saver. It's an hour drive to my vet, so in order to get a fresh fecal to him it has to be really FRESH :bolt01:

Shelly
 
Another cool thing....

I forgot to mention - the microscope has an attachment for a digital camera so if I find a bug I'm not sure about I can e-mail the picture to the vet. Cool - huh? :cool:
 
Gregg M said:
Does it have pics of crypto at different stages of its life cycle???
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Dang, I had a big reply and Firefox went out on me. Lemme try again.

No, the pics are only of oocysts (eggs). You can find a diagram of the life cycle here.

The pics appear to be regular floats, but I have never done a stain, so not positive. They look small in the pictures, though. The relative size diagrams show these eggs to be 2-6 micrometers, whereas the Pinworm (oxyurid) eggs are 30-100 micrometers in size and aren't too hard to find. I don't know about something up to 1/50th the size, though. Have you seen my parasite pics?
Here's a pinworm egg I took a few years ago
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Another one here.

These are pretty easy to find, and don't be surprised to find them in your collections if you feed crickets. They're easy to treat and in the past there has been debate about whether they should be treated. I think they should, but some say not necessary.
 
Great Pics

Rob, those are really interesting pictures. What magnification were they taken at? Did you train yourself to recognize the parasites? What other parasites were you able to identify?

Shelly
 
Lizard Lair said:
Rob, those are really interesting pictures. What magnification were they taken at? Did you train yourself to recognize the parasites? What other parasites were you able to identify?

Shelly
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Thanks, Shelly. Off the top of my head, I believe these two were at 100x magnification. Pinworm eggs are pretty big. I think the only other one I ever found was a tapeworm egg, and a whole lot of junk like cricket and other insect parts. The first time I saw Cricket eggs I freaked thinking I had some monster infection in all my geckos :) My pics are all online on some of the forums and at The Gecko Spot.

I can't actually say I trained myself to do it all, but it could be done if you've got the Dr. Klingenberg book, halfway decent equipment and supplies, and common sense. My wife is a Vet Tech, so she does them at work and helps me out sometimes. I also had some hands on with a vet w/my first ever pair of fattails in Japan. Ahh, back when the fecals and treatment cost less than $10!!!

I highly recommend both Dr. Klingenberg's book as well as the identification chart. I don't have a special camera attachment on our microscope, these pics were taken with my Nikon Coolpic 995 through the microscope lens (ocular?).

By the way, I love the gecko in your icon. Mack Snow, right?
 
not bad Shelly, brand & model of the microscope? we could use a new one. I have the same dilemma, I can identify most, but when I'm uncertain I usually wait for him to stop in or I take a trip..... I could eliminate that all together! :)
 
Rob, that was a great website, I definitely bookmarked it. It looks like it may be challenging to tell the difference between plant parts and parasites. The picture of the possible spirulina would have definitely thrown me off.

Chris - embarassingly I'm not sure of the brand name of the microscope! The header for it was Professioinal Trinocular Compound Microscope 40x-1600x. The specifications sounded good, however I'm a novice and might be easily impressed. It does have a 5 year warranty, and satisfaction guaranteed. I already made the appointment with my vet for the 15th, and will take the microscope in for lessons in recognizing parasites. If my vet feels the optics aren't up to par I can return it for a full refund. It has 8 levels of magnification. It is made on the same production line and by the same technicians that make instruments for Leica, Zeiss, Nikon and Olympus. Naturally this one will be way inferior to those brands, but hopefully suitable for my needs. I wanted high magnification because protozoans (I think) are really small, and I wanted enough versatility to be able to identify those also. I think protozoans are the ones where the fecal needs to be extremely fresh and that has always been a problem for me because of an hour drive to the vet. I'm really pumped over all of this. Everthing I've read so far on parasites says that just because you have a negative fecal doesn't mean there are no parasites - just none showing at the moment. Who has the time or money to repeatedly take in repeat fecals from the same animal when some of us have so many animals? This will be sooooo much fun!! Until the newness wears off no poop is safe from me :) I'm even eye-balling the dog! And the deer are constantly leaving me little donations.
 
This will be sooooo much fun!! Until the newness wears off no poop is safe from me I'm even eye-balling the dog! And the deer are constantly leaving me little donations.
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Run Bambi Run ! :rofl:
 
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