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Inquiry KRIS REINERS ------ ARIZONA

kris reiners said:
Haha apologize to Ritchie should have seen what he said to me in the group. Its tom on his profile commenting everything.
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Do you have screen shots of those too? I am at work right now and do not recall what it is I said or the context in which I said it.
 
I have been following this for awhile, and basically been a fly on the wall. But from what I have seen, Kris Reiners is someone to avoid. I personally don't have any interaction with him, but some screen shots (which I unfortunately do not have) were posted between him and group admin Eric Page revealed an unstable character.

In context, Kris asked to be let back in the group, Eric said sure, Kris said awesome, he respects Eric. Time passed in the message, and Kris started cussing Eric out because he was 'lying to him. Eric replied that he was at work and would do it when he got home. Kris replied sorry, he respected Eric, etc etc. Time would pass, and Kris would throw another fit.

I know he doesn't like drama, but I think it would be beneficial if Eric posted those screen shots, or if someone could get them from him.
 
AneryB said:
I have been following this for awhile, and basically been a fly on the wall. But from what I have seen, Kris Reiners is someone to avoid. I personally don't have any interaction with him, but some screen shots (which I unfortunately do not have) were posted between him and group admin Eric Page revealed an unstable character.

In context, Kris asked to be let back in the group, Eric said sure, Kris said awesome, he respects Eric. Time passed in the message, and Kris started cussing Eric out because he was 'lying to him. Eric replied that he was at work and would do it when he got home. Kris replied sorry, he respected Eric, etc etc. Time would pass, and Kris would throw another fit.

I know he doesn't like drama, but I think it would be beneficial if Eric posted those screen shots, or if someone could get them from him.
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It seems the more threads go on the more info comes out. But as it stands the reason for this thread is still unproven. And the only reason I got involved was because I knew exactly how Tom Pecanic is. How he talks to people and acts. Kris may be unstable, he may be a person to avoid, I personally haven't seen any of this behavior except what was posted here which I will agree he did get combative and such here towards the end.

But there is no proof he sold sick snakes, the people who bought these "sick snakes" never showed and provided proof, Tom likes to make people look bad/worse than they are. He even used his fake facebook to leave a bad review on my like page just for calling him on not providing proof of his claims. I have changed my mind on several people during bois, ones I thought were stand up people and even defended until certain things came to light. One person can't be everywhere and see everything someone posts so a whole community watching is good, that's what the boi is for.
 
I agree Elexis, proof is definitely needed when accused of selling/harboring unhealthy animals.

And I know how Tom can be, I have been on the end of one of his rampages. Tom hasn't provided proof, and other than glancing at the accusations flying across the board, I haven't seen it either. Then again, I am a full time student with a part time job, I have no life =p

Kris has shown he is combative and childish, but I haven't seen evidence of a sick snake. If there is, please bring it forth. That photo of the boa(?) is disgusting, but it is a photo on his page, not undeniable proof that the animal is his and how he keeps his stock.

Kris is actually messaging me currently, and despite the fact that he is indeed childish, I do encourage him to post the whole conversation, so there is undeniable proof that the 'snippets' I saw were just to make you look bad.
 
All this thread/info thread about me is because I made a face book group mad. Arizona ball python breeders... Sorry to everyone in the group. I did act childish sorry again. Never had I sold a sick snake and never would.
 
Kris, as you encouraged me to, I will post our whole entire conversation. Proof that I am not taking snippets to make you look like the Bad Guy.....and I do apologize to admins if the one word I didn't censor should have been. I only lurk briefly here.
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While the apology is a nice touch, it has ruined your credibility with me, and I am sure a bunch of the group. Again Kris, post the entire convo and prove them wrong.
 
Geez ... still see no proof of anyone (Kris) selling sick snakes. Just a bunch of FarceBook drama queens who bring the crap over here. Sorry.
 
AneryB said:
I agree Elexis, proof is definitely needed when accused of selling/harboring unhealthy animals.

And I know how Tom can be, I have been on the end of one of his rampages. Tom hasn't provided proof, and other than glancing at the accusations flying across the board, I haven't seen it either. Then again, I am a full time student with a part time job, I have no life =p

Kris has shown he is combative and childish, but I haven't seen evidence of a sick snake. If there is, please bring it forth. That photo of the boa(?) is disgusting, but it is a photo on his page, not undeniable proof that the animal is his and how he keeps his stock.

Kris is actually messaging me currently, and despite the fact that he is indeed childish, I do encourage him to post the whole conversation, so there is undeniable proof that the 'snippets' I saw were just to make you look bad.
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Like I said before, that photo of the boa with the shed and poop I have seen from multiple people, just saw another last night. A guy on my Facebook has a gravid female, she pooped and he even said this was BEFORE I cleaned the cage. he was showing she was in fact gravid and she was right up in front of the glass so that was when he was able to get the best shot.

That photo, in my opinion, in no way proves his snakes are kept dirty, that they are sick, that he sold snakes that were sick and died. I see those photos constantly, I guess to show that that particular snake shed. Again I even have photos in my phone of cages right before I cleaned them.

If he in fact did sell a sick snake then those people need to come here and post proof, from a vet. But it's been how long and they haven't. Behavior aside, this post has still gone unproven.
 
I shipped out my very last ball python yesterday, the feeling of finally being completely removed from such a dumb, amateur, petty "community" is refreshing beyond words. After browsing thru this, all I can say is the refreshment is just that much sweeter. THANK god ALMIGHTY - FREE AT LAST!!!
 
Until you get a new interest, join a new community, and discover the same type of people have all interests so you can't hide from them. Try joining a "new moms" facebook group... makes this place look like a love fest!
Drama is caused by people, not ball pythons. Be thankful forums like this exist so you can tell who the people you shouldn't waste your time arguing with are.
 
RyanT said:
I shipped out my very last ball python yesterday, the feeling of finally being completely removed from such a dumb, amateur, petty "community" is refreshing beyond words. After browsing thru this, all I can say is the refreshment is just that much sweeter. THANK god ALMIGHTY - FREE AT LAST!!!
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Whatever you have to tell yourself to make yourself feel better about giving up. :rofl:
 
ElexisOrtiz said:
If he in fact did sell a sick snake then those people need to come here and post proof, from a vet. But it's been how long and they haven't. Behavior aside, this post has still gone unproven.
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After reading all 295 posts of this BOI thread, I agree with Elexis 100%, they need to put up proof, or put this thread to bed.

Lynn Peterson
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I hope you're proud of how disruptive you have been to our already fractured community, Tom.

I haven't seen name calling and mud-slinging like this on Fauna for a while. You produce some nice snakes, and at times you do good by outing bad guys, but you negate any positive impact you have with your inability to behave respectfully.

Being a ball python breeder doesn't make you a rock star. It doesn't make you a big deal if you produce a lot of snakes in a given year. You are still bound by the rules of adult society, and somehow I doubt you treat people in person the way you treat them online.

Please do us all a favor and either start contributing in a positive way to the community, or leave it. Don't gleefully start accusing people without evidence. Don't troll everyone you talk to. Don't assume that being a snake breeder with nice animals negates your immature and hateful behavior.
 
I'm sorry but the ball python community has by far the most drama. It's mainly because it's a beginner snake and there are far more young kids in it. I'm just glad I never was in it. The amount of drama within the ball python community is the reason the folks with more advanced species laugh at you. Yea there are a few idiots in each community but goddamn the amount with ball pythons is ridiculous.
 
Brittany mentions the IBD scare here in this conversation Kris... If you're still there my friend, what was the "story" behind that?

I never got a chance to ask her. When you get time... I've been curious, is all. And furthermore, what ended up happening to the "Albino" you and Dan were talking about recently a month ago?
 

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This was around 3 years ago. I checked on my boas that were breeding. The water bowl was flipped over and my male Guyana was under it with the female on top with about a quarter inch of water. I posted a pic and video of the boa to Arizona ball python breeders you all said it was IBD. I sold Brittany a 4 foot normal male about a hour later I get a text that someone told her I had IBD in my collection. I went right over to her house got the boa back gave her the $40 back... About that albino boa I sold over 2 years 8 months ago healthy as can be he produced his first litter last year. Dan commented on my post that he is taking the albino to the vet it has a abscess or got bit by a rat how is that my fault I don't know. Haven't talked to Dan since then will message him later see how he's doing.
 
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