Labeling possible hets.

[Gary O]

That is the fever bro! lol

 

[SierraMarie]

I would say it would depend on the case of the relationship between the breeder/seller and the buyer.

I don't personally look at anything as possible het unless it is a better than 50% chance and anything lower than that should be sold as a normal only.

I also feel that if someone is wanting to cut down costs on their breeder projects and want to use 66% possible hets to purchase clutches, this will usually get you a wholesale type of deal. This improves your odds that at least one will be het. Allowing you to spend the price you would on normals with greater success.

The hets/possible hets are only worth what you personally are willing to pay for them. Different people are going to value them differently for different reasons.

 

[garweft]

All comes down to the all mighty dollar. When anything is brought up it is about money.... I don't like that as much.

If I sell a 100% het albino male for 30 bucks..... I sell CBB normals for 20 to 30 bucks..... But I sell it as a normal. Who cares. I am not saying it is more then it is. I have thrown in Poss Het clowns, Het Pieds, Het Albino, and Het Ghosts in with my normals. They were all males. Now I will have all them kids and adults that buy normals off me raising them to find out. I will give you a hint. Ask me and I will tell you if they are or they are not lol.

Any idea if that pastel girl I got off of you at the Cleveland show this time last year has any possible hets....

I sold some poss het albino males and females, poss het pied males, and even 3 possible double het albino pied males this year as normals for 20-30 bucks a pop. Unless it's an actual het (100%), and the genetics add value to the animal, I don't list the het traits. I'll tell you if you ask, but I also might charge you more for it.....lol

 

[Gary O]

Matt no the last Pastel that was possible het I sold was over 2 years ago and they were Possible Het G-stripe......

How is that girl doing?

 

[garweft]

She's a 1000g green eyed beauty that takes F/T rats. She hisses a little but doesn't bite much..... Reminds me of my wife...lol. I couldn't be happier with her.... The snake, not my wife.

Now I have to decide if I want to try for a pastel butter, pewter, or super pastel. Then again if I find the right bee soon she will hopefully throw me a killer bee next year.

 

[Pythonbreeder99]

if you have proved the 50% het then it would be 100% het making the offspring 50% het

 

[David Reid]

Yeah, there is a normal, or 100% Het. Either it is a Het or it isn't. The percentages other than 100% are just your chance, based on the parents, of getting a 100% Het. So, if you breed a 66% PH Het to a normal, your 66% PH is either a Het or a normal, so your babies are either Hets or they aren't. I do not see how you get a 33% Het tag....I UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE SAYING TAKE 66 AND CUT IT IN HALF, but that does not seem to really be legit. The only real way to give a percentage other than 100% is to use actual 100% Hets in the breeding.

 

[SnakeGirl3]

Yeah, there is a normal, or 100% Het. Either it is a Het or it isn't. The percentages other than 100% are just your chance, based on the parents, of getting a 100% Het. So, if you breed a 66% PH Het to a normal, your 66% PH is either a Het or a normal, so your babies are either Hets or they aren't. I do not see how you get a 33% Het tag....I UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE SAYING TAKE 66 AND CUT IT IN HALF, but that does not seem to really be legit. The only real way to give a percentage other than 100% is to use actual 100% Hets in the breeding.

Well put!

 

[sschind]

Yeah, there is a normal, or 100% Het. Either it is a Het or it isn't. The percentages other than 100% are just your chance, based on the parents, of getting a 100% Het. So, if you breed a 66% PH Het to a normal, your 66% PH is either a Het or a normal, so your babies are either Hets or they aren't. I do not see how you get a 33% Het tag....I UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE SAYING TAKE 66 AND CUT IT IN HALF, but that does not seem to really be legit. The only real way to give a percentage other than 100% is to use actual 100% Hets in the breeding.

Agreed, there is only het or not het, nothing in between. The key, and most misleading part is the inclusion or omission of the word possible. It may seem like a small thing but it can clear things up considerably or confuse the heck out of them. To say that a particular animal is a 66% possible het is more accurate in that it says there is a 66% chance that this animal is het. To say it is 66% het could lead the customer to believe that there is a degree of hetness (like that word, I just made it up) somewhere in between all or none. To speed things up we often drop the word possible and to people in the know it doesn't matter. They still know what it means. To the beginner it can be confusing.

Bottom line is dealing with possible hets is a gamble. The smaller the percentage the higher the gamble. The higher the reward (high end het) the more attractive the gamble becomes. The lower the price difference the more attractive the gamble becomes. For me, unless I could get at least 4 66% possible hets for he price of a het I would pass on the possibles.

as always there are exceptions you could buy 100% het and it not prove out so i would rather take my chances with 1.6 possible than some one stating they are 100% getting more bang for my buck

The only way a 100% het would not prove out is if it was a normal. In that case the seller either lied or made a mistake (which can happen). That would depend on the seller. With someone I trusted completely there would be virtually no risk in the 100% but then again I would never buy a het from someone I didn't trust 100%.

If I purchase a possible het for $60 and a normal goes for $40. And, I take the time to prove out the animal, yet, to my dismay, it proves to be normal. I was taken for $20.

If both parties know the odds going in no one can get taken for anything. If you paid $60.00 possible knowing you could end up with a $40.00 normal you did not get taken, you gambled and you lost. To say you were taken implies the seller did something dishonest.

 

[Andrews Arboreals]

i honestly think most of you dont fully understand how this works still. let me try to break it down nice and simple like.

as some people stated, the 50/66/100 percentiles, are not the amount of het the animal is, its the percent chance that they carry the gene. a 50% het is, in reality either a 0% or 100% het. you just dont know until you breed it. so regardless what % het it is, it would prove out the same as a 100 or 0, not longer or less time ( depending on your luck of course, but the genetics have little say in that ).

on the topic of marketing them, do you really expect every breeder to hold onto ALL their possible het offspring for 1-3 years just to prove them out so they can sell them for substantially more? hell no, thats gunna kill their overhead (food/time/electric/space)
and why would someone not believe in marketing tactics? when selling, thats how you sell, you market things. or else the inventory would sit around and not get sold.

i see nothing wrong with marketing 50/66 % hets. would i ever buy one, probably not, but the thing is they cost barely more than a normal anyways. so if you get the gene great, you got a awesome deal, if not well you might have lost a few bucks, but at the end of the day its your own fault for not buying a 100% het anyways. so you really cant complain.

i think i pretty much got everything. so in short if youre that worried about it, dont be cheap and buy visuals and/or 100% hets from people you trust. hopefully that cleared some stuff up

also the market is hardly in a bad place, if it was killer clowns would not be selling for $25,000 like one did a month or so ago.

 

[David Reid]

Really Andrew, well from here, it looks like you just reposted my post in your second paragraph.

Dave

 

[Andrews Arboreals]

possibly, didnt read through the whole thing

 

[scaledverts]

Really Andrew, well from here, it looks like you just reposted my post in your second paragraph.

Dave

It also looks like you basically started a new thread exactly like my starting post here.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170904

There are only so many way you can say things sometimes and it can look like reposting the same post.