Legendcham - Bad Guy!!!!

[brucestephenson]

I do not currently breed chameleons, although I am very interested in the subject, as are many of us. Could someone please post photos of this locality of chameleon and please briefly explain what you have to go through to acquire, acclimate and breed this species so we may all have some background?

 

[Legendcham]

To answer the previous poster. A employee was paid $5.15 a hour, to clean
the cages 7 days a week. The wages paid were $300 a month for 8 months.
My employees are not allowed to clean or feed the baby chameleons, that
was done by myself. Shelly knows exactly what went on, since she was at
my house for a week. You can do the math. Most breeders have cages cleaned daily, and pay employees to do it. All of my breeder chameleons
were sold, and gone by June. She could not keep the chameleons at
her house, because hers were very sick, due to the fact that she NEVER
practiced proper husbandry ( cleaning cages, etc.) You will be able to read
that for yourself in a e-mail. She wanted to send me two sick chameleons,
and I told her NO. I did not want my chameleons infected.

Lane Gergely
Legendcham

 

[mattjillson]

Let us look at expenses on both side of the arguement. Lane, you said you have roughly $4k into the animals, lets just round up to $5k although your "employee expense" for your daughter is rediculous and shouldn't be factored into the deal since your part of the bargain was to raise the animals which includes cage cleaning. If you wanted to contract that work out and pay the money because you are too lazy to do it, that should be an expense you cover. At any rate, you have $5k invested in the animals. Well, from Shelly's lengthy post it appears she has 5k invested in the animals too. So, it appears to me that you both have the same amount of money invested which I would think entitles you to a 50/50 split in a normal, sane World.

There is an issue about a trip, well, if you offer to take someone on the trip and don't ask for money to cover it up front and volunteer to pay for dinner(s), then that is your cost. Don't come after the fact trying to collect money for that in an attept to screw over your old best friend and busines partner to insanely try to justify why you deserve more offspring from a deal where Shelly bought the breeders. Basically Lane, you are a thief, a liar and backstab best friends to get what you want which isn't too suprising to me since I have a very, very similar experience with you.

I am just glad after months and months of saying "Beware of 'The Gerg'" there is finally concrete, crystal clear evidence that she is not only crazy but is a thief too. Buyer Beware.

Matt Jillson

...BTW, I have bought and delt with Stephan O'neil and Natural State Chameleons and was very happy with what they provided. I highly doubt that if the animal that was bought from him that turned out to be something else was intentional.

 

[Legendcham]

How did my daughter get brought into this. Who told you this? I guess that
would be Shelly or David. Does not surprise me. I paid two employees, one
during the workdays, and one on the weekends. I have not seen any proof
that Shelly has $5000 into the adult breeder Mafanas. She probably has
$5000 TOTAL into ALL of the chameleons she bought from Kalam, and that would include her sick Ambilobes as well. The total paid was right under
$4000 for all of the adult Mafanas, and that includes my $900. She has
approximately $3100 invested. Now lets see, Lane is supposed to house, fed,
acclimate, breed all of the Mafanas. Shelly gets a 1.1 pair that is acclimated
and the female bred and gravid to sell. Plus Shelly gets all of the healthy adult breeders back, with a bred and gravid female to continue her breeding
program So far Shelly has only
lost one male, that she did not have to care for. Now Lane has to take care
of the female with the tumor until she dies, which will probably be awhile.
Lane is also expected to hatch and raise to a sellable age 50% of the babies.
Who in their right mind would make such a arrangement? Of course the original agreement was for Shelly to "cut me some money, from the sale of
her stock." I have that in a e-mail. It is not my fault that she decided to
keep everything to continue breeding. I really don't care what the two of
them do with adults. I certainly am not going to waste anymore of my time
and money on Lizard Lair/Razorback Exotics. They can hatch and take care
of the babies. If she wants 50% of the eggs, then she needs to cut that
ck she promised. I will GLADLY send her 50% of the eggs. But if she expects
me to hatch and raise the chameleons for her for FREE, she can forget it.
Shelly has everything she paid for BACK! FREE and CLEAR! There is no way
IN HELL that I am going to take care of her hatchlings for her. She can take
50% of the eggs, after she pays for her HALF of my expenses. I told her that
I would gladly provide her with a invoice. I also expect her to pay me back
for the shipping to her new buddy David.

 

[charm_paradise]

Emails

These are the emails Lane was discussing:

From: Roger & Shelly
To: Lane Gergely
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Soabanas


I agree totally on getting in on these. Two bloodlines would be perfect. Hard to say what good pricing on the offspring would be at this point because that is waaaayyyy down the road. Who knows, the females of these may die off quickly and there could be a situation like with the TB's which could increase their value. I would like to do maybe 2 pair myself to resell if you have the room and cut some of the money to you from the sale to cover your care and feeding. So it would be 2 pair for me to resell, 2 pair for you to resell, and 2 pair for breeders for us. That would be 6 pairs total, with 4 pairs being resold - correct? Should I contact Eslinn to go over to Kalaams or do you think Kalaam would be insulted?

Shelly
----- Original Message -----
From: Lane Gergely
To: Roger & Shelly
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Soabanas


Shelly,

Yes, I am going to move the remaining cages outside this week. I think that we should keep two males
and two or three females for breeding. That would come to $900 a piece for the ones that we are going
to breed and get eggs from. I already have people that want to be on a waiting list for babies. I was
thinking on selling the offspring for $375 a piece for the males and $350 a piece for the females. What do
you think about this? We could offer at least two different bloodlines. I just don't want to get wraped up
in a bunch of chams, like I have been. Let me know what you want for resale, and if you are interested
in a pair, for breeding and eggs. I think that we can make a some money off of doing both, this is going to
be a HOT chameleon, at least for the next couple of years. I think we deserve to get in on this, and try to make a little money.

Lane
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger & Shelly
To: Lane Gergely
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Soabanas


Do you have room if I pick up some and have them sent to you and we can do selling & shipping from your place? I would hate to bring any into my room right now because of medicating everybody out there.

Shelly
----- Original Message -----
From: Lane Gergely
To: Roger and Shelly
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 8:10 PM
Subject: Soabanas


Shelly,

I am going to get a 1.1 pair to resell on Kingsnake for $650. I am sure that they will go fast, and that is a easy $200 bucks!
I am also getting a NICE Sambava from him to sell with the last female that I have left.

Lane

From: Roger & Shelly
To: Lane Gergely
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: tamataves


I will call Kleitz tomorrow and see how soon I can get them in for a culture. Tomorrow I will put their cages in my stained glass room. Definitely you should consult with your dr. but not sure what the advantage would be for the two doctors to talk. Murphy is starting to look like he has it. Dr. Kleitz said if they don't start to show a little improvement within 4-5 days of treatment then I will need to switch over to amikacin injections. Think I got this pseudomona from wild caughts? I've never had it before. Making me spooked to ever buy a wild caught again!

Shelly
----- Original Message -----
From: Lane Gergely
To: Roger & Shelly
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: tamataves


Shelly,

V.J. called me back and I gave him the tracking number. The pseudomona sounds very bad, is there
anyway that Lucifer and Erin can be cultured to see if they are harboring the deadly bacteria? I would
pay for the cultures. I would be devastated if they infected my colony of panthers, especially the babies.
Is there anyway for you to bring their cages in the house, or isolate them from the rest of the panthers.
I think that is would be very, very wise for both of us to consult with Kleitz and my vet Campaigne. In
fact I would prefer that they discuss this over the phone. I would be willing to pay the consultation fees,
cultures etc. Please let me know what you think.

Lane
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger & Shelly
To: Lane Gergely
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: tamataves


Lane, I sent it on to him and told him "somebody" hung up on you when you called.

Dr. Kleitz says the results for the fungal testing isn't back yet, but she tested positive for a very aggressive pseudonoma that doesn't respond to baytril. I'm picking up cipro tomorrow. I'm to dose any of them I'm suspicious of. The blue bar ambilobe that seems to be healed he said not to put on cipro but to continue with the baytril for 2 more weeks. I'm to keep a close watch for even the tiniest relapse, and if he does then I need to switch him over to cipro. He said with this pseudonoma it isn't unrealistic to expect to loose half of the chams infected. I strongly think we need to get Lucifer and Erins daughter to you asap while they are still healthy!

Gonna check up on worms after the old man goes to bed tonight....

Shelly
----- Original Message -----
From: Lane Gergely
To: Roger & Shelly
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: tamataves


Shelly,

I do not have V.J.'s e-mail address, I tried to call him and his wife? hung up on me. So would you
please forward the tracking number to him. 1Z 720 77E 01 4059 5717.

Thanks,
Lane

----- Original Message -----
From: Roger & Shelly
To: Lane Gergely
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:33 PM
Subject: tamataves


Lane, just in case you didn't get the address for the guy wanting the tamataves, here it is:

ADDRESS

His Monday night low is 49 and the high for Tuesday is 70. Louisville low is 39. He had wanted to economize and have you send all the babies to me, then I would send the 2 babies out with the ambanja female he is buying from me. I told him that is double the stress on those babies, both for shipping, and new habitats. Very bad idea, it is worth the extra shipping to avoid that.

People are soooooo stupid. Let me give you a few examples. For starters I put an ad up tonight for Tequila. EXCELLENT picture. Can't be improved on. But there is always somebody out there that asks "do you have any other pictures?". Annnnnd, in all the ads I put $38 shipping. But most people just HAVE to ask.......how much is shipping to Michigan? or where ever. Annnnnd, this time I put in the ads, will accept trade for an amelanistic fat tailed gecko. Sooooo, what do I get? People asking me, uhhh, will you trade for red ackies? ****. Did I SAY red ackies?! Hell no! That's a long way from amelanistic fat tail - isn't it? Well, I'll just step off that soap box for now - it's just sometimes people's stupidity amaze me.


By the way, David e-mailed yesterday and said the blue bar ambanja died. That was extremely fast. Like Star. This respiratory isn't like any other I've ever had. And the ambanja I've been medicating for 2 weeks started coughing again tonight. I'm going to end up taking him in to the vet. I have 3 other females I'm suspicious of and am medicating them. But gotta call Dr. Kleitz tomorrow and see how the necropsy came out because I don't think baytril is working good enough. Unless that one ambanja doesn't even have respiratory. ****, maybe he has tb.

Shelly

From: Roger & Shelly
To: Lane Gergely
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: mafanas


Lane - David said the Mafanas are in great shape and the packaging was excellent. He hasn't been on line today and doesn't know everything that has been going on. I've been filling him in. At any rate the Mafanas are in great shape.

Shelly

 

[alfon76]

Coffee was not enough but it helped, LOL.
A few close friends of mine asked me to hang in there and finish reading everything here and asked me to give my opinion. There are just too many points to address here so I will do my best to get as many as I can remember and maybe add more later.

Lane, when you have a breeding partnership it is 50/50 unless otherwise stipulated. You said you have emails and proof that your money was used to buy Mitsios so why don't you post them? At least that way you can start with some credibility. Until you do that, Shelly seems to have the upper hand in this. Now, if Shelly invested $5100 on the Mitsios and you have invested about $4500 on the rest, doesn't it seem fair that a 50/50 split covers both sides? I mean, did you plan on having a minimal investment (maybe $1000) while acclimating WC chameleons and raising baby chameleons? How does that benefit Shelly? You should have known that it was going to cost you money to raise them and thus the "partnership" term and the 50/50 split of the profits or babies. It is almost impossible to think that you would have no expenses and that Shelly would give you $5100 worth of chameleons for you to breed and take 50% of the babies. Even if the deal was 75/25 like you claim later, your credibility goes down again when in the same email you decide to change it to 1%. Maybe you wanted to keep as many babies as possible because the clutches were small and because you must have some promised to your partner to broker for you and to keep for himself but if that was the case you should have offered to buy the eggs from Shelly and not just take for granted that you deserved them all.

Also, to the general public reading this. You might recall that a few months ago there was a post made by 4 entities against me, Matt Jillson and Jim Flaherty because we were supposedly unethical and some other stuff. If you don't recall this, do a search and a new pot of coffee (maybe just hard liquor). Well, it was a whole bunch of writing with no substance to it as was proven in that thread. Now, 2 of those original 4 entities are involved in this shady dealing. So who really has problems with ethics and reputation? Who seems to have the skeletons in the closet? We were painted as "guilty" for doing aggressive advertising but at least I never took $5100 and ran or asked for a breeding loan and decided that I was worthy enough to claim the chameleon(s) as mine.

Lane, apology accepted on the Cyclone incident and I am happy the chameleons are showing everything you expected and then some. It is rare to get an apology or even a compliment from you considering that I am the lowest form of life in your scale. Which brings me to the fact that you should also recognize then that Woodrow is a weird looking but PURE Ambilobe since he is Cyclone's brother.
Hopefully Dennise Scott is reading this and shoving his foot deeper and deeper in his throat. Is that foot getting closer to your colon Denny? How about retracting your statement that I ripped you off? Do you miss Woodrow now knowing that he was one of those panthers that will not be duplicated?

Lane, I never warned you about Shelly on my own. I said many bad things about Shelly based on the misplaced rage you created in me by telling me a lot of things that she said or did indirectly to supposedly hurt me. Pretty much the same thing you did (which was very smart) with Kalam when you managed to make him believe that all the horrible things you said about him were because you needed to keep a low profile with the people that hated him. He took the bait and now adores you but that is not going to work here. You seem to have an unhealthy fascination with me as my name gets mentioned a lot in your emails and conversations and you need to learn that maybe you should let go your anger and finally take that trip to South America to spread God's word like you were planning to. Maybe you should take Johnny Boy with you and let Dennise handle the business for a while.

I am sure I will be hearing from all of you here so I'll "talk" to you soon.

 

[charm_paradise]

There she is!!!

As for my (John's) dealings with either of these two parties (Shelly & David), there are none. I have sold to both of them, they have not sold to me. All my dealings have been with Lane. Out of "friendship" to Lane I offered one of MY males from One Eye to SHELLY at cost. Shelly knows exactly what I paid, in fact I paid via credit card to Lizard Lair on the first purchases I made. I also received an invoice for every sale there after I did with Lane from SHELLY. This offer had terms, because I did not want to play stupid games with them, now everyone can see why there were terms. I have no obligation to do anything for these people, yet I tried. They say all they wanted was a One Eye male, they ended up "somehow" without one. I offered one of mine, offer was accepted and refused many times. Reason for this is because all they want to do is smear my name (David was not happy). They know they have no standing on any of this with me, period. Bitter because you did not get what you wanted from Lane is not my problem. I, like Lane, actually breed, hatch, and raise offspring. For this reason we have no need to feed off each other or take advantage of one another WHAT SO EVER.

On to the Mafana name BS on the site. I was offered all of Lanes part, of her Mafana to sell. This was know buy Shelly, once again not my problem Lane choose to come to me. The photos were given to me, and I made a Mafana page on the website. I wanted to put the name of the male so that lines would not get mixed. I asked Lane what the name was. I was told he did not have a name yet, I could make the name for her. Hulk was used, after adding all the new info to the page, it was uploaded but my server did not accept the full upload. On the home page with the link, I have LegndCham as the breeder. This did not show up on the Mafana page. Once it was brought to my attention along with the name it was corrected RIGHT away no questions asked period. In fact I refused to put a name on the male, and just called him a Mafana to make sure Shelly would not have any issues. I could careless what the name is makes no difference to me. How ever Shelly made a big deal thinking I was upset, when all I wanted was a damn name.

The 50/50 split is allot for someone doing all the work, let me tell ya its not easy. Until you actually do it yourself, you cant talk. I have breeding deals myself and its 75/25 even if I supply ALL the breeders. 50/50 you are nuts unless both are paying for the care, period. Let me just say this, at one point Shelly was getting out of Chameleons all together. I was offered Murphy to breed with some Turquoise females if they made it. The offer was 75/25 and that was on Shelly's end over the phone when we use to talk. Shelly can not keep chameleons alive where she is at, breed them, or hatch the eggs. Well the outcome of this was Murphy died and the Turquoise females never made it. Once Shelly saw the number of animals coming my way, what lines they were and so on things changed with her. The mood of her phone calls were bitter and that's not Shelly. I never stepped on her toes with any deals with Lane, I cant tell Lane who to sell to. Bottom line was Noenman's offspring started this, Shelly not getting what she wanted. This made David mad as well, and they became unreasonable to work with. Yet, I still tried to on my end, and I know Lane has!

I have talked to David one time on the phone last summer, and he was all about Neonman this and that. You dog, you got this that and the other, I cant wait to get Neonman's offspring. Well turns out there were only 2 that made it, both females (one is gravid now!). I breed, Shelly resale's, so I got them that's how I see it. Once again I don't tell Lane who to sell to. I can see why now! All I can say is every deal I have had with Lane has been perfect. All the smear about sick this and not getting that is all BS to me. Hands down I have bought more chameleons from Lane then anyone else period. I have seen breeders from her, and offspring from her. Anyone who has purchased from me, can tell you I'm a no BS guy. It takes breeders to breed, and I have been doing lots of it. I am not about to let some BS cooked up by others to tarnish my stock.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Jim @ The Chameleon Company

Ditto's on it being a very long read. Shelley and David, I can understand your aggravation, and applaud you for your meticulous posts, as well as all those who also added exchanges. Chris at TSH, thank you for an earlier "Good Guy" post on the quality and shipping of some animals that you received. They are from superb bloodlines, and I hope all goes well. Those animals were part of a similar breeding arrangement between Dr. Alfonso and The Chameleon Company, LLC, that did not go awry.
I would have to disagree about the characterization of the "industry" based on comments here or elsewhere (see the thread in the Chameleon Photo Gallery for more long-windedness), as it seems it is only about a half dozen very vocal folks with keyboards are filling the screens with mudslinging. I feel that Shelley's claim is bonified fodder for the BOI, while many past threads have not been.
There are obviously many different versions of numbers here, but it seems that Lane acknowledges that Shelley likely has $4000+ in the original acquisition, and that Lane has some medical costs, maintenance costs etc. I have participated in many breeding loans that are structured very similarly to what Shelly has described, and it seemed reasonable. The devil is always in the details, and this thing fell apart because, as they say, "A verbal agreement isn't worth the paper its written on". I have some breeding and maintenance experience with chameleons, and I would have to say that maintenance (not medical) costs of $2-3K for 6-10 adult panthers for eight months is not a good deal. Maybe these parties can find an arbitor (for a fee) to solicit what would seem to be a minor amount of information, make a binding decision, and then move on.
We have a nice little herd of Mitsio juveniles maturing here. Only two bloodlines though, and I hope that some others out there are having success also.
Jim Flaherty @ The Chameleon Company

 

[Legendcham]

Jim,

You can say what you want about costs, I have all the facts and figures
from my CPA. If Shelly wants to get a attorney, then that is fine with me.
John has already printed the e-mail exchanges between Shelly and myself.
She can not prove that she has $5000 invested in the Mafanas, because
there is none. She does not even have $ 4000 invested in the purchase
of the Mafanas. She has approx. $3,100 and I have $900 invested in the
purchase of the Mafanas. On top of everything else, she still owes me for
the sale of at least ONE Ambanja. But at this point, I don't even care. I am
not going to let her slide on our original agreement concerning the Mafanas.
She came up with the 50/50% in November. People usually discuss these
things, she chose to mention the 50/50% nonsense in a e-mail to John Lucas.
That was when she got upset about MY picture. NEVER did she discuss this
with me, or did she tell me that she was going put a name on the chameleon
herself. Enough said. She has made several accusations, without providing
any proof. As far as Ivan, Matt and yourself go, there is another thread that
deals with that. I could care less about aggressive sales tactics. It is quite
another thing to smear other breeders in order to sell your product. My
appology to Ivan is ONLY concerning the female Cyclone, that was sired
by Cyclops. Hopefully all the babies will turn out to be outstanding adults.
I am sure that everyone will hear about it if they are not. Congradulations
on your new found friends Lizard Lair/Razorback Exotics. You will find David
Gaithe a great asset to you operation. He loves to spit out garbage!
Shelly is on her own now, she can lie with the dogs and get fleas! Meanwhile
maybe she will start posting some proof to her statements. I have already
posted my proof. I am finished with this thread now. Shelly has several
options. Me hatching and raising babies for her is not one. I think enough people
get the picture.

Lane Gergely
Legendcham

 

[mattjillson]

I think the picture that people are seeing Lane is that you are full of crap. In all those supposed "damning" emails Johnny boy posted I don't see one stred of evidence to back up any claims you are making that you aren't in a 50/50 partnership with Shelly over the offspring from these animals. In fact, I don't see one shred of evidence that John Lucas isn't in calussion with your plan to steal these babies from Shelly. Seems to me he knew the whole situation the whole time and did nothing to say "Hey, wait a second maybe this isn't a fair deal" like any normal logical thinking person would do. Clearly he was looking out for his best interests, which is ok but he also went along with this to help benfit his own pocket which doesn't make him as guilty as "The Gerg" but he and his penny stock sure are not an innocent party by any standards. I mean, come on, he posted a Mitsio breeder on his site that belonged to Shelly like it was his project, animal or something.

I think the real benfit from all this is that two people who hated each other at one time, Ivan and Shelly, have realized that they were lied to by Lane to think the other was out to ruin them. I think it is clear now that Lane has been manipulating situations and I am very glad to see it has now blown up in her face and the blast radius has managed to ferret out another low life - Johnny boy Lucas.

-Matt

 

[mattjillson]

Whoops....

Accidently posted before adding my full name to my last message:

Matt Jillson

 

[Chameleon Company]

Give someone enough rope, and ........

Lane,
Thank you for the kind words. Shelley and David, there are many out there who sympathize with you. Since many of the arguments presented here were relevent, coherent, and to-the-point, I am anxiously waiting to hear how it was to "swim with the belugas" and dine at the finest restaurants in Texas! Must have been a blast! To Chris at TSE, my apologies for mis-typing TSH. And for those ever interested in future breeding collaborations, here at The Chameleon Company, LLC, we structure them very similarly to the deal that Shelley thought she had, and otherwise have much lower boarding fees. My CPA has all the figures. My business partner, and fellow Managing Member, is also an attorney. We'll get the paperwork straight. And finally .... Lane, I publicly commend you for the professional demeanor of your rants, your well-thought-out accusations, and your avoidance of even the hint of smearing others!
Holy rotor-blades Batman, there's a helicopter in the back yard ! Have to go !
Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC ...... whop whop whop whop .....

 

[KelliH]

Most breeders have cages cleaned daily, and pay employees to do it.

Wow.. maybe I should become a chameleon breeder. It sure would be nice to mske enough to be able to afford to pay someone to clean my cages, and still make enough money to keep my business going. CPA's? Attorneys?

On second thought.. nah. I'll stick to my geckos and clean my own animal cages. Some of us gecko breeders are a little bit eccentric but this is bordering on mania.

Also, standard breeding loans are a 50/50 split in offspring, no matter how much time the party that has the adult breeders in their possesion spends. Unless you have a signed contract stating otherwise, 50/50 is the standard split in the hobby.

 

[alfon76]

Lane you are right about something. Nobody has posted definitive evidence as to who paid what for the Mitsios. IF and only IF you are right and Shelly didn't pay as much as she is saying then you are entitled to whatever the percent is of your investment.

Bottom line Lane, you didn't set the rules from the beginning when you agreed to take care of the chameleons. Maybe nobody did because you were such good friends at the time. You can't really expect anyone to believe that you are the victim because all your sweat went into raising these Mitsios and it cost you a fortune. If that is the case, then you should pay Shelly the whole investment back and that way you are 100% entitled to the eggs because you paid in full for the whole breeding group. It doesn't matter if the animals are dead now, you should pay her in full for all the breeders that bred and laid eggs for you and that way you are the sole owner and your blood and sweat didn't go in vain. If not, then do not cry here about your CPA's profit/loss statements on the Mitsios.

Lane and John please explain to me your reasoning behind TS. As I understand you went from a position of TS being a "One Eye" baby to possibly a "One Eye" baby to possibly a misunderstanding and he might be an Andapa cross to there is no way that chameleon even came from you.
How the heck this happened? How can David be able to clone a chameleon? TS looks identical to the Andapa cross that you sold him. How can he have in hand another chameleon that looks identical to TS and then try to pass TS as One Eye while hiding the "real" One Eye baby. Bottomline Lane is that you messed up and it is still left to be seen if the mixup was intentional or accidental. If it was accidental, then why ask for TS back to kill him? Why not get him back and re sell him as an Andapa cross and give Shelly a One Eye baby which is what they paid for? Oh right!!!!! you couldn't do that because Johnny Boy needed to have them all to "breed". I do see Lucas' good intentions to give back a One Eye baby to fix the problem but it is just the way you went around it that soured the deal. Why kill TS? Why? Why? Why? What are you so afraid of? Well, now your worst fears are here because you are being exposed for what me and Matt knew all along.


We will see how the outcome of this situation is but I would like to hear from both you and John as far as TS at least. If this situation never gets resolved and you still end up with all the Mitsio babies, please make sure that in the websites you have two links to sell them. One link should read "Mafana Captive Born" and the other should read "Stolen Mafanas" so that people can choose.

 

[alfon76]

Hi again Lane. I was doing some searching in some of your professional posts here in the BOI and I found a rather interesting piece of info posted by none other than yourself.
How about this for an appetizer:

Do I need to remind you AGAIN Ivan, that you are not allowed
to contact me in ANY form! As for Kalam he already knows about
the trust issue, that was based upon what I was told by you.
PLEASE get it through your head that I do not have any money
invested in the Mafanas!!!!!!! That is really what this is all about
anyway. The Mafanas that are currently in my care DO NOT
BELONG TO ME! I am out of it now, therefore I am no longer a
threat to you!

The above pasted sentences were taken from Lane's post on another lenghty thread about Aline Reptiles. I can post the link if needed. Lane, let me once again clarify the last sentence, you were not, are not and never will be a threat to me. As for the rest of the paragraph, what do you say today? I got it through my head that you didn't have any money invested or any interests in the Mafanas but now you come and say that all this money you have invested in them makes you the owner of everything? Explain that to me if you will or actually explain it to the whole world because it is pretty damaging evidence coming from yourself.
So if you don't have any interest in the Mafanas, how come you now have lots of interest in them and are claiming $900 of purchase money and $4200 in husbandry?

 

[Chameleon Company]

I try to be polite

Lane,
In researching older threads in this forum, I have yet to find even one where you weren't smearing someone. Not one instance. And there have been those occasions where you and your minions have cheap shots in my direction also. Certainly there have been times when people with whom I associate with get a bit carried away as well, and they know that I don't care for it. I thought that Shelley presented herself without smearing you, but rather with a lot of information. Certainly each person's take on the "facts" can vary, but she kept her extraneous nonsense to a minimum. You did respond, with quite a lot of information and copies of emails, etc. But you laced it with a lot of diatribe that was unfortunately typical of your many other threads, and a whole heap of nonsense. As legal matters go, the chance that this would ever be worth the trouble of trying to resolve in court is very small. Hate to be the one to break this to you, but all of your "you'll be hearing from my attorney" threats are one of the biggest jokes in the chameleon business. After seeing your own words from the Aline Reptiles thread ...... and I try to stay mild mannered ...... but "if it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and talks like a duck" .... until you square this with Shelley ....... You're a THIEF. Have you lawyer call me. How pathetic.
Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC

 

[Lizard Lair]

More half truths & lies

Before I purchased the Mafanas Lane and I were kicking around several ideas of how many to buy. The quantity changed several times before the final decision. Now as I stated before, I don’t have any invoices from that purchase. All I have is cashiers check receipts. I have never had an invoice sent to me. So I am going by memory, with the aid of my receipts. For income tax purposes I have kept all of Lane’s customer invoices for the sales that I processed for her. I also have the records of the dispersal of that money. Some of the money went directly to Lane. Some of her money she occasionally had me send to Kalaam to buy chameleons. Most of the time I did not note what she bought because for my purposes all I am doing is keeping track of money received and money paid for taxes at the end of the year. I did send a cashiers check dated 4/28/04 to Kalaam for $1038 at Lanes request from funds I had gathered for her from a number of sales in that month. However, this is in ADDITION to the separate cashiers check dated 4/26/04 that I sent Kalaam from my own money for $3150, which was my 2nd payment for the Mafanas.

Some of the Mafanas cost $400. Some of the Mafanas cost $450. As I stated before, I have never seen an invoice. I do not know the exact price breakdown. Plans were changing fast before the final payment and purchase was made, and I have to go by memory supported by receipts. So the easiest way to come up with an individual dollar value for each animal is to divide my purchase price of $5150 (which includes shipping) by 11. That gives each animal an average price of $468 each. The shipping for this many large animals would have cost quite a bit and I think the math shows that 11 were purchased. I know definitely of 10 individual animals and what happened to them. 2 died, 2 were sold, 2 are still at Legendchams, and 4 were shipped to David. I made a mistake earlier when I said 3 were shipped to David. There was the male and 3 females. I believe David posted pictures of all 3 females on the gallery and of the male the day they came in. So I can directly account for 10 animals. I know Kalaam sent a replacement male, but I think that 2 died in addition to the replacement male. The whole situation is a little confusing, and I again state I have no invoices. I only have cashiers checks to go by. However, I know I wasn’t buying any other panthers in April. If I am wrong, then show me. I sincerely wish to know and will give apologies to all involved. However, even if my figures can be proved wrong by Kalaams packing slips it still does not take away from the fact that I still have a large investment in the Mafanas, and am deserving of a fair share of the offspring.

As for the ambanja Jorgy, and the Ambilobe Lucifer. Lane bought Jorgy and sent him to me to raise and breed and was considered a co-owned animal. The same is true for Lucifer. We each paid half for Lucifer and he was sent here for eventual re-sale or to use for breeding. For bookkeeping purposes it was agreed that when Jorgy sold I would send the full amount to Lane minus the shipping charges. (She was paid by me in a check in May, which cleared my bank on 5/24/04.) In return, I would keep all the money made in the sale of Lucifer.

As for illness in my colony. Yes, I had a nasty pseudomonas infection in some of my animals. It was diagnosed by Dr. Kleitz, the animals were treated and recovered. I had random testing done before selling to ensure the infection was definitely gone. Lucifer was healthy when sent to Dennis and he said he was pleased with him. Jorgy, and the Ambilobe I sold with Jorgy, went to the same buyer and as of 2 months ago both of them are alive, healthy and are cherished pets. Two other of those WC panthers are at Davids making babies, and another one is in Florida doing the same. As a matter of fact I recently purchased a female that is gravid with the eggs from the one in Florida. I might add that would be Skittles, my WC Ambilobe. I owned him for 2 years, a healthy vibrant male. The last I heard a few months ago he is still alive and making babies in Florida. Murphy, my Turquoise Blue panther had to be euthanized as he had a huge tumor in his stomach. Dr. Kleitz did not feel he would survive the surgery and made the recommendation to put him down.

As for the $3000 spent on me in Florida. I was there for 1 week and we frequently dined out. You and Tony were gracious generous hosts. The final restaurant was very classy and I wanted to pay for the meal to show my gratitude for your hospitality. Tony wouldn’t hear of it. Again gracious and generous! I do like to eat but I don’t think I can eat up $3000 worth of restaurant food. That’s kind of a cheap shot.

As for shipping the Mafanas to David. Well, she might have me there. Lane has my UPS account number and uses that when shipping to me or for me. But her employee didn’t know how to do that and charged that shipment to their business. I didn’t know that. My UPS billing goes directly onto a credit card and I never paid attention to the individual billings. How could I reimburse her if I wasn’t told? Now I know. Maybe she can take it out of my share of the Mafana eggs?

Whether or not I’ve raised any babies to a saleable age isn’t an issue here. But as a matter of fact I have. Actually one of the female breeders at Davids is a CH baby I hatched and raised. I also sold 2 of her sisters. I admit, I didn’t have many eggs hatch. That’s why I don’t do it anymore! That’s why I have a partner!

 

[Legendcham]

Ivan,

I have already said enough about the chameleon TS. As far as the post
on the BOI that you just brought up, maybe you should ask your new
friend Shelly about that. Shelly and myself discussed that it would be
best if she took the heat. Ask her for the e-mails. Remember when
you were flaming mad at Shelly. Since you were soooooo mad at her,
she and myself thought that was best. But if anyone wants to know
how much was paid, by who, and how many, all they have to do is
contact the importer. His name has already been mentioned. He even
told your friend Doug that I had money into the Mafanas. I believe that
is in the Aline Good Guy post as well. I have better things to do than
to continue this drama. Shelly even lied about how many Mafanas that
I sent to her on 12/28/04, it was 1.3 not 1.2. She has ALL of her Mafanas
back and in great shape (read her e-mail dated 12/29/04). Two females
bred and a clutch laid. Her investment has been returned to her. Maybe
you should contribute money to her legal fund.

Lane Gergely
Legendcham

 

[Legendcham]

Shelly,

Thanks for just now telling me that the Ambanjas survived. You told me
that they ALL died. I supposed to get 25% of the clutch, not 50%. You were
a decent honest person, until November. I am sure that Ivan will contribute
to your legal fund. BUT get this through your head, I am not hatching and
raising any babies for you! If you want to get a attorney, I will most happy
to forward the info from my CPA to him!

Lane Gergely
Legendcham

 

[Lizard Lair]

Ambanjas?

The female babies I referred to are all Ambilobes from Erin, my WC female. The ambanja that is doing well is Jorgy. The only ambanja baby that survived is a runt, unsellable and unbreedable.

Shelly Dougherty