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Leucistic? genetics'? True?

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I'm confused about the lucy dragon. I haven't seen any lucys that dosen't look any different then my very light hypo pastel or just a hypo. I've been breeding for years and years and still have never believed in the true lucy dragon. I still think its just a light colored hypo pastel. Can anyone explain why they are called leucistic? They don't have solid colored eye's, blue or black and there colors are not white and pattern less. I'm just looking for some education on the matter not conflict.

What makes them leucistic?

thanks,
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Luecistcs are out of different genetic lines there is a difference between them and Hypo Pastels most Luecistics are worth ALOT more than a Hypo Pastel. I work with Marketed Luecistic's and have been breeding them for a while I have also bred Hypo Pastels most Luecistics are pure paper white some once in a while get a little bit of yellow/pink over tone. When you look at a Hypo Pastel 90% of them have brighter over tones like pink, red, orange, yellow, some even look creamsicle in color.
 
Glad to see this thread and I am assuming it started from the other thread. Problem with trying to differentiate Leucistic and hypo's stems from what definition you use. There are no true leucistics if you follow the rule that they are completely void of any and all pigments in their skin. That is the definition I think that science most widely recognizes. There are NO dragons that most of us are aware of that could fall into this category. That is why the name "marketed" leucistic is used. I like the idea of using the term "marketed". Dachui proved that hypos and lucy's are from the same gene mutation.

Hypomelanistic by definition is a "reduction" in the amount of melanin. It is a variable gene. This means its expressed at different levels in different specimens. You will also find leucistic being defined as a condition with "reduced" pigments in the skin and scales of animals. This definition is where the confusion/debate starts. Of course melanin is only one type of pigment so when you start talking leucistic, you are now talking about other pigments in addition to melanin.

My thoughts....we should all just adopt the term "marketed" lucy's and to me its just a form of hypomelanism. But what do I know?
 
koiboydavid said:
Glad to see this thread and I am assuming it started from the other thread. Problem with trying to differentiate Leucistic and hypo's stems from what definition you use. There are no true leucistics if you follow the rule that they are completely void of any and all pigments in their skin. That is the definition I think that science most widely recognizes. There are NO dragons that most of us are aware of that could fall into this category. That is why the name "marketed" leucistic is used. I like the idea of using the term "marketed". Dachui proved that hypos and lucy's are from the same gene mutation.

Hypomelanistic by definition is a "reduction" in the amount of melanin. It is a variable gene. This means its expressed at different levels in different specimens. You will also find leucistic being defined as a condition with "reduced" pigments in the skin and scales of animals. This definition is where the confusion/debate starts. Of course melanin is only one type of pigment so when you start talking leucistic, you are now talking about other pigments in addition to melanin.

My thoughts....we should all just adopt the term "marketed" lucy's and to me its just a form of hypomelanism. But what do I know?
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I agree.
Now what does the term Marketed mean for leucistic dragons?

That they are not true lucy's?
 
HowlinGaleDragons said:
Luecistcs are out of different genetic lines there is a difference between them and Hypo Pastels most Luecistics are worth ALOT more than a Hypo Pastel. I work with Marketed Luecistic's and have been breeding them for a while I have also bred Hypo Pastels most Luecistics are pure paper white some once in a while get a little bit of yellow/pink over tone. When you look at a Hypo Pastel 90% of them have brighter over tones like pink, red, orange, yellow, some even look creamsicle in color.
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Can you post a picture of your leucistic dragon on this thread?
I would like to see if there is a difference between what you have and my hypo pastel from breeding pastel to pastel. When I bred them together the offspring seemed allot lighter in color. Sort of like a super, and when I bred those offspring from different fathers together they came out even lighter. But I know there is supposedly no super form of pastel in dragons yet.
 
I will get pictures of her tomorrow for you

There are different colors in Luecistics In the Marketed Luecistic I have seen everything from silver (Your dragon) to Whites like mine I like the paper white line the most.

The dragon that you refer to as silver is a variation of a Luecistic thus making it a Marketed Luecistic; I have seen a Luecistic so silver it looked blue.
 
HowlinGaleDragons said:
I will get pictures of her tomorrow for you

There are different colors in Luecistics In the Marketed Luecistic I have seen everything from silver (Your dragon) to Whites like mine I like the paper white line the most.

The dragon that you refer to as silver is a variation of a Luecistic thus making it a Marketed Luecistic; I have seen a Luecistic so silver it looked blue.
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My dragon is absolutely not leucistic. There are know leucistics line any of my numerous blood lines.

Just to clear that up real quick...
 
Dosen't really matter it is what it looks like My friend hatched one that looks alot like yours out of a Orange X Orange pairing that had no hypo or luecistic lines
 
HowlinGaleDragons said:
Dosen't really matter it is what it looks like My friend hatched one that looks alot like yours out of a Orange X Orange pairing that had no hypo or luecistic lines
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Pictures? Seeing is believing. I remember you now from the last time I posted her. You never sent or posted any pics. Like I said I've never seen anything like your explaining can you post a pic.
 
I want someone to post a true leucistic using the definition of complete lack of any pigment in the skin. Dont think you will find one. Thus, by this definition, there are only marketed leucistics.

Come on you other breeders. Lets learn together.
 
There were arguments about this years ago. There are no true luecistics. They were advertised as such, and after all the b.s. most started selling them as "marketed leucistics" because thats exactly what they were.....dragons sold as leucistics and labeled that, but not really leucistics.
 
For discussion sake here are 2 pics.

1st pic is a sub adult male clear nail marketed leucistic.
2nd pic is an adult female hypo pastel.

Normally adult marketed leucistics are nearly pure white, hypo pastels normally have some overtones of color.

I have never had a reason to breed the two morphs together. they are both simple recessive traits. breed the 2 together and you should get normal colored double hets if indeed they are 2 different morphs. if they are the same morph you will get all whitish colored hatchlings.

Have fun and post your results. :)
 
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Btw I have never seen a true Leucistic that was pure burn your eyes out white with black or blue eyes as you would expect a Leucistic to look like.
 
RulingReptiles said:
I'm confused about the lucy dragon. I haven't seen any lucys that dosen't look any different then my hypo pastels.
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Two early pioneers in dragon breeding Kevin Dunn and Rob Dachiu both working with different bloodlines seen something so different in these dragons they labeled them Leucistics. we that are breeding them today keep them separate and call them Leucistics because they are different.

They are not a true Leucistic(in my opinion).
 
Ed Clark said:
Two early pioneers in dragon breeding Kevin Dunn and Rob Dachiu both working with different bloodlines seen something so different in these dragons they labeled them Leucistics. we that are breeding them today keep them separate and call them Leucistics because they are different.

They are not a true Leucistic(in my opinion).
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hmm.
I still think they kind of follow the def. of leucistic by lightening of color but I still think they are just another clear nailed hypo pastel. Although most of my hypo pastels turn out with some pink or red highlights, I have had them come out looking just like your Marketed Leucistic, very light with yellow highlights and clear nails. Which makes me a non believer. I think the snow is the closest I've seen. Or what ever I have created LOL.
August...
 
Ed Clark said:
For discussion sake here are 2 pics.

1st pic is a sub adult male clear nail marketed leucistic.
2nd pic is an adult female hypo pastel.

Normally adult marketed leucistics are nearly pure white, hypo pastels normally have some overtones of color.

I have never had a reason to breed the two morphs together. they are both simple recessive traits. breed the 2 together and you should get normal colored double hets if indeed they are 2 different morphs. if they are the same morph you will get all whitish colored hatchlings.

Have fun and post your results. :)
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Dragon in the center is exactly that. Nothing more than a hypo-ish dragon, with some light color.
 
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oh I like those I have 3 leucistics just plain white. I think I like the light pink better lol.
 
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