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[SymbaCat]

Looking to get a eastern diamondback if i cant get exotic then

Already own a Western diamondback and a Eastern copperhead
fed multiple times, jus fine
handled Jus fine no close calls
I dont freehandle - I will admit Ive tailed but See the stupidy of my actions
Ive done my research
I dont need a permit
and I have tools and proper caging
92 hours and counting working with these two!

 

[Chris25080]

Looking to get a eastern diamondback if i cant get exotic then

Already own a Western diamondback and a Eastern copperhead
fed multiple times, jus fine
handled Jus fine no close calls
I dont freehandle - I will admit Ive tailed but See the stupidy of my actions
Ive done my research
I dont need a permit
and I have tools and proper caging
92 hours and counting working with these two!

For the love of God stop, please, we can only laugh at your ignorance so much.

 

[SymbaCat]

For the love of God stop, please, we can only laugh at your ignorance so much.

Nah Im looking for 1 more hot and Im not giving up till I do.

 

[Willie86]

Nah Im looking for 1 more hot and Im not giving up till I do.

Hey man, I've watched your videos and read your posts and would like to offer a few pieces of advice, because I don't want you to take a bite. It's not good for you or the hobby, not to mention the people that care about you(and if you don't have that, I'm sorry to hear it). I know it's already been mentioned but if you haven't already contact Joe Pittman on facebook https://www.facebook.com/JoeVenom and ask for the North American Pit Viper Envenomation protocol. I believe you can choose either the folder or a flash drive.

Another thing I would suggest, sooner rather than later, is to speak with a physician and get an epinephrine autoinjector. You might not be allergic to atrox or copperhead venom right now, but everyday that goes by you're being exposed to all those venom particles floating around and your risk is going up. It would be a good idea to wear disposable gloves and maybe even a n95 mask when your doing cage maintenance. If you have a severe anaphylactic reaction to a copperhead bite, It will kill you faster than any snake venom. And it would be a good idea to get in touch with someone like Dr. Spencer Greene or Dr. Sean Bush and ask if you can use them as consultants if you ever suffer an envenomation. Because the physician at your local hospital has probably never seen a snakebite, let alone have the experience to treat it effectively.

Now, on to the next thing. Please wear proper footwear, every video that I saw you were either in socks or barefoot. Please put on a good pair of boots and a pair of jeans or even better get a pair of snake boots.

Next, there is no reason for you to tail either of your snakes. EVER. They are both small and can easily be moved by single hooking, and if that atrox was an adult you could just double hook it. Now I'll list some more things to avoid.

DON'T open or close a cage with your hand, always use a tool.
DON'T put your hand in the cage if the snake is in the cage.
DON'T do anything with a snake if the weather is bad. If the power goes out, you don't want to be standing in the dark with a snake on a hook.
DON'T ever work with a snake if you've had something to drink, taken any kind of drug, if you're sick, if you're angry, if you just broke up with your GF, if you're in a rush or if you just feel off.
DON'T work with a snake by yourself (if you can help it) if you live with someone wait until they're home.
DON'T ever try to pin a snake behind the head.

As far as the cages you have, they're not ideal. Never put your hand on the screen, and make sure anyone that comes in your house doesn't either. Does it have a lock? If not, get one. A better cage would be something like a vision cage or maybe black box. Front opening, vents on side or back and lockable. And put warning labels on any cage with a venomous snake, along with the common and scientific name.

Last thing for now, you don't need to take your snake out daily. If there is not a reason to take the snake out, leave it be.

 

[aidan0616]

Crazy. In through one ear and out the other huh man ? You ALMOST came to your senses and listened to what everyone was telling you in your last “LF post” after about 50 responses. Then posted this lol

 

[0phidian_]

This is pure entertainment in an otherwise mundane forum.

 

[SymbaCat]

Hey man, I've watched your videos and read your posts and would like to offer a few pieces of advice, because I don't want you to take a bite. It's not good for you or the hobby, not to mention the people that care about you(and if you don't have that, I'm sorry to hear it). I know it's already been mentioned but if you haven't already contact Joe Pittman on facebook https://www.facebook.com/JoeVenom and ask for the North American Pit Viper Envenomation protocol. I believe you can choose either the folder or a flash drive.

Another thing I would suggest, sooner rather than later, is to speak with a physician and get an epinephrine autoinjector. You might not be allergic to atrox or copperhead venom right now, but everyday that goes by you're being exposed to all those venom particles floating around and your risk is going up. It would be a good idea to wear disposable gloves and maybe even a n95 mask when your doing cage maintenance. If you have a severe anaphylactic reaction to a copperhead bite, It will kill you faster than any snake venom. And it would be a good idea to get in touch with someone like Dr. Spencer Greene or Dr. Sean Bush and ask if you can use them as consultants if you ever suffer an envenomation. Because the physician at your local hospital has probably never seen a snakebite, let alone have the experience to treat it effectively.

Now, on to the next thing. Please wear proper footwear, every video that I saw you were either in socks or barefoot. Please put on a good pair of boots and a pair of jeans or even better get a pair of snake boots.

Next, there is no reason for you to tail either of your snakes. EVER. They are both small and can easily be moved by single hooking, and if that atrox was an adult you could just double hook it. Now I'll list some more things to avoid.

DON'T open or close a cage with your hand, always use a tool.
DON'T put your hand in the cage if the snake is in the cage.
DON'T do anything with a snake if the weather is bad. If the power goes out, you don't want to be standing in the dark with a snake on a hook.
DON'T ever work with a snake if you've had something to drink, taken any kind of drug, if you're sick, if you're angry, if you just broke up with your GF, if you're in a rush or if you just feel off.
DON'T work with a snake by yourself (if you can help it) if you live with someone wait until they're home.
DON'T ever try to pin a snake behind the head.

As far as the cages you have, they're not ideal. Never put your hand on the screen, and make sure anyone that comes in your house doesn't either. Does it have a lock? If not, get one. A better cage would be something like a vision cage or maybe black box. Front opening, vents on side or back and lockable. And put warning labels on any cage with a venomous snake, along with the common and scientific name.

Last thing for now, you don't need to take your snake out daily. If there is not a reason to take the snake out, leave it be.

Thank you for the facebook link, and everything! and the boots and gear I can look at, and tailing them yeah I admit was stupid, but I also dont do that anymore as I understand the risks involved, and Im looking at a set of front opening cages for the both of them, I am very serious about this and want to work up to a true Naja I dont want a king cobra seems to unsafe to handle properly but I cant go from from rattlers to a cobra I understand how crazy that is now and just will have to wait a year to 2 to prove to yall that Ill be fine with hots, but thank you!
should I just text joe pittman about the protocols or is it just on the facebook?

 

[Willie86]

Thank you for the facebook link, and everything! and the boots and gear I can look at, and tailing them yeah I admit was stupid, but I also dont do that anymore as I understand the risks involved, and Im looking at a set of front opening cages for the both of them, I am very serious about this and want to work up to a true Naja I dont want a king cobra seems to unsafe to handle properly but I cant go from from rattlers to a cobra I understand how crazy that is now and just will have to wait a year to 2 to prove to yall that Ill be fine with hots, but thank you!
should I just text joe pittman about the protocols or is it just on the facebook?

Yeah just text him.

 

[SymbaCat]

Yeah just text him.

Hey man, seriously, I really appreciate you taking the time to write all that out. That wasn't just a quick comment, that was real advice from someone who clearly cares and knows their stuff. Thank you for looking out—not just for me but for the snakes and the hobby as a whole. I’ve been doing a lot of reflecting lately, and input like this helps more than you know. I'm definitely taking a lot of what you said to heart and making changes. Respect, and thanks again for the solid guidance.

 

[Willie86]

Hey man, seriously, I really appreciate you taking the time to write all that out. That wasn't just a quick comment, that was real advice from someone who clearly cares and knows their stuff. Thank you for looking out—not just for me but for the snakes and the hobby as a whole. I’ve been doing a lot of reflecting lately, and input like this helps more than you know. I'm definitely taking a lot of what you said to heart and making changes. Respect, and thanks again for the solid guidance.

Here is a link to a podcast that would be good for you to listen to.

 

[SymbaCat]

Here is a link to a podcast that would be good for you to listen to.

well 1 minute in but going to listen to the whole thing I cannot thank you enough for not just bashing me...

 

[SymbaCat]

Yeah just text him.

Didnt tell me it was $7 but Im doing it and listened to that whole podcast as well, Cannot wait to feed Ace! Used to pull his food away now he eats right in front of me and cant wait to see that fang foldage this week!

 

[Willie86]

Didnt tell me it was $7 but Im doing it and listened to that whole podcast as well, Cannot wait to feed Ace! Used to pull his food away now he eats right in front of me and cant wait to see that fang foldage this week!

That's good. I know I mention wearing disposable gloves before to try and delay/combat the development of any hypersensitivity. I would also suggest you wear them to cover any cuts on your hands, whether they be from your retic or anything else you get up to. The snakes you have can not "spit" their venom, but they can fling it on you when they strike.

Another thing to be aware of are shed fangs. They could be just laying on top of the substrate or in the snake's feces. You don't want to get stabbed by one. I'm not qualified to say how much of a risk this poses, but I would avoid it. Just use a scoop of some sort.

Something else I didn't mention before (because there is a lot to this) Is keeping the area around your cages free from clutter. You don't want the snake getting behind furniture or wrapped up inside a reclining chair or anything like that. And you definitely don't want to trip over something while you're working with a snake.

 

[SymbaCat]

That's good. I know I mention wearing disposable gloves before to try and delay/combat the development of any hypersensitivity. I would also suggest you wear them to cover any cuts on your hands, whether they be from your retic or anything else you get up to. The snakes you have can not "spit" their venom, but they can fling it on you when they strike.

Another thing to be aware of are shed fangs. They could be just laying on top of the substrate or in the snake's feces. You don't want to get stabbed by one. I'm not qualified to say how much of a risk this poses, but I would avoid it. Just use a scoop of some sort.

Something else I didn't mention before (because there is a lot to this) Is keeping the area around your cages free from clutter. You don't want the snake getting behind furniture or wrapped up inside a reclining chair or anything like that. And you definitely don't want to trip over something while you're working with a snake.

Should be getting Joe Pittmans North American pit viper bite protocol pretty soon said he could ship it out today! So there’s that and yeah the clutter, my gf and I actually just moved ALL 13 snakes into our basement in a heated room that’s at 70 no clutter! And we have the venomous corner section of the room, that we keep clear and they can go anywhere if they fell off the hook besides under the door! The room is sealed other then that, you can also see an empty 30 gallon critter cage I still plan on fixing up and putting one more hot in then I litterly need to upgrade everyone’s cages so won’t even be looking after I get one moreI litterly couldn’t

 

[Willie86]

Should be getting Joe Pittmans North American pit viper bite protocol pretty soon said he could ship it out today! So there’s that and yeah the clutter, my gf and I actually just moved ALL 13 snakes into our basement in a heated room that’s at 70 no clutter! And we have the venomous corner section of the room, that we keep clear and they can go anywhere if they fell off the hook besides under the door! The room is sealed other then that, you can also see an empty 30 gallon critter cage I still plan on fixing up and putting one more hot in then I litterly need to upgrade everyone’s cages so won’t even be looking after I get one moreI litterly couldn’t

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That's good man, these are all things that have you going in the right direction. When it comes to the door, the standard recommendation is to install a door sweep so nothing can escape under the door.

As far as you getting another snake, I know the consensus on here is for you to just stick with what you have right now. Which is good advice. However, if you are determined to get one more, get something reasonable. Maybe a juvenile cottonmouth. If you have something else in mind let me know, I want make fun of you or anything. I'll just explain why I think it's a good idea or not.

 

[SymbaCat]

That's good man, these are all things that have you going in the right direction. When it comes to the door, the standard recommendation is to install a door sweep so nothing can escape under the door.

As far as you getting another snake, I know the consensus on here is for you to just stick with what you have right now. Which is good advice. However, if you are determined to get one more, get something reasonable. Maybe a juvenile cottonmouth. If you have something else in mind let me know, I want make fun of you or anything. I'll just explain why I think it's a good idea or not.

well if i was to stick with what I got, how long would you say before I should start looking at anything else? because other then a cottonmouth eastern and gaboon Theres not many hots that actually interest me! but really tempted by a gaboon at the moment found CBB 25 male gaboon for $385 eating good, bred 1 generation in captivity!
I do not like squams, bushvipers, eyelash vipers, not shitting on them just dont like them lol
I also cannot thank you enough!

 

[Willie86]

well if i was to stick with what I got, how long would you say before I should start looking at anything else? because other then a cottonmouth eastern and gaboon Theres not many hots that actually interest me! but really tempted by a gaboon at the moment found CBB 25 male gaboon for $385 eating good, bred 1 generation in captivity!
I do not like squams, bushvipers, eyelash vipers, not shitting on them just dont like them lol
I also cannot thank you enough!

Unfortunately, I can't tell you exactly how long to wait before you start looking for something else. But, I can say that between a Cottonmouth, an EDB and a Gaboon, that a Cottonmouth is the best choice by far, It's native and not too toxic. But, although rare, there are recorded deaths from Cottonmouths.

EDB's are native which is a plus, but they are arguably the most dangerous native rattlesnake to work with in captivity once they get to a certain size. They are more toxic than a Cottonmouth and have a far greater venom yield.

Gaboon vipers are even more toxic than EDB's and have one of the largest venom yields of any snake. And, unlike Cotton's or EDB's they're from Africa, so they're "exotic" or "non-native". Which means if you get bit the hospital staff will be in a mad rush to try and find some African polyvalent (antivenom) to save you. The few private keepers and zoos that have it in the US are under no legal obligation to give it to you.

I get it man, Gaboons are one of my favorite snakes, but I would be lying if I told you a Gaboon was a good idea for you this soon into the hobby. Think about it like this, your lucky enough to live somewhere that you can even have a Gaboon,(which is only a few states) and you're young so you still have time, no need to rush. Gaboons have been around in the hobby for 20+ years at least and unless something extreme happens will still be there when you have some more time under your belt.

I promise you that this has nothing to do with gatekeeping. Only an idiot or someone who thinks your life is worthless would tell you to get some of these extremely dangerous species before you're ready.

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[SymbaCat]

Unfortunately, I can't tell you exactly how long to wait before you start looking for something else. But, I can say that between a Cottonmouth, an EDB and a Gaboon, that a Cottonmouth is the best choice by far, It's native and not too toxic. But, although rare, there are recorded deaths from Cottonmouths.

EDB's are native which is a plus, but they are arguably the most dangerous native rattlesnake to work with in captivity once they get to a certain size. They are more toxic than a Cottonmouth and have a far greater venom yield.

Gaboon vipers are even more toxic than EDB's and have one of the largest venom yields of any snake. And, unlike Cotton's or EDB's they're from Africa, so they're "exotic" or "non-native". Which means if you get bit the hospital staff will be in a mad rush to try and find some African polyvalent (antivenom) to save you. The few private keepers and zoos that have it in the US are under no legal obligation to give it to you.

I get it man, Gaboons are one of my favorite snakes, but I would be lying if I told you a Gaboon was a good idea for you this soon into the hobby. Think about it like this, your lucky enough to live somewhere that you can even have a Gaboon,(which is only a few states) and you're young so you still have time, no need to rush. Gaboons have been around in the hobby for 20+ years at least and unless something extreme happens will still be there when you have some more time under your belt.

I promise you that this has nothing to do with gatekeeping. Only an idiot or someone who thinks your life is worthless would tell you to get some of these extremely dangerous species before you're ready.

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well then I’d say I’m looking for a cottonmouth then! I just really enjoy working with all species no matter the issues!
But Mabye I should give it a rest for now still appreciate the shit outta this convo tho!!
almostttt on 4 months keeping!

 

[$nakes01]

Looking to get a eastern diamondback if i cant get exotic then

Already own a Western diamondback and a Eastern copperhead
fed multiple times, jus fine
handled Jus fine no close calls
I dont freehandle - I will admit Ive tailed but See the stupidy of my actions
Ive done my research
I dont need a permit
and I have tools and proper caging
92 hours and counting working with these two!

What’s your contact number?

 

[SymbaCat]

What’s your contact number?

thanks for the offer! I ended up getting a gaboon