Bad Guy Longer Look Inside Reptiles by Mack, from PETA

[Big Borg Reptiles]

I would think only devil worshipers would support an organization such as PETA.

Hey now, don't lump a bunch of harmless devil worshipers in with PETA, even devil worshipers have a higher level of standards than that.

 

[LauraB]

Hey now, don't lump a bunch of harmless devil worshipers in with PETA, even devil worshipers have a higher level of standards than that.

LOL. Got to give you kudos for that one

 

[Mistyck]

LOL. Got to give you kudos for that one

That was a good one.

 

[swahn]

Always remember that the BOI has favorites--LLL, etc. They will always back their favorites regardless of the atrocities committed. Reptiles by Mack is a mill and a sickening importer, but they'll be defended here relentlessly.

Underground, Backwater, Reptile City, they're all devils here. It's all a joke. LLL could ship a snake corpse and they'd get defended here--perhaps blaming the USPS. The sick and dead animals at RBM must be PETAs fault, right?

 

[caffeinecynic]

Always remember that the BOI has favorites--LLL, etc. They will always back their favorites regardless of the atrocities committed. Reptiles by Mack is a mill and a sickening importer, but they'll be defended here relentlessly.

Underground, Backwater, Reptile City, they're all devils here. It's all a joke. LLL could ship a snake corpse and they'd get defended here--perhaps blaming the USPS. The sick and dead animals at RBM must be PETAs fault, right?

Did you even bother to read any of the threads on this subject?

No one here has defended Reptiles by Mack outright, but many people are skeptical because of PETA in the past using shady tactics to accomplish their end goal.

Almost every post in the thread where it was really discussed, found here, has stated that if obviously Reptiles by Mack has some flavor of problem - the degree of those problems has yet to be determined. Allow me to quote just one post for you.

I actually agree. Even if we're to assume that some of that video was out of context - e.g., PETA possibly choosing to focus on newly-arrived animals that were severely injured and essentially doomed well before RBM ever had possession of them - there's still some disturbing stuff in that video that just doesn't seem so easily explained away by simple context. Unless there was a whole lot of scene-staging and outright fabrications by PETA - which seems like it may be a good time for a defamation lawsuit from someone who has both the means, and the confidence in their ability to defend their practices in a courtroom - it's looking pretty bad for RBM.

While I'd always made it a point to limit my own collection to a dozen or so, I can still understand how circumstances could easily lead to a big operation having numerous cages not being nearly as clean as they should be. I just think that what's shown in the video seems to pretty clearly display extended neglect that goes above and beyond what I think you'd ever be likely to see in the collection of a business that actually saw their stock as anything more than inanimate dollar sign$.

Maybe I just have unrealistic expectations about the quality of life that should be reasonably expected for the animals of a large-scale wholesale operation; I still think that whoever is actually responsible for much of any of what was shown in that video, is someone who shouldn't be involved in any aspect of the live-animal trade. If the video's truly as grossly misrepresented as their statement seems to be implying, I think it may not be an easy task to prove to the court of public opinion that even an appreciable percentage of that video is really that misrepresented and out of context.

It's clear you have a problem with LLL Reptiles - maybe you should take that issue to a thread about them. This one discusses Reptiles by Mack and is one of many on this subject - none of which have had blind defense of Reptiles by Mack.

 

[Robert Walker]

Always remember that the BOI has favorites--LLL, etc.

Backwater

Oh, look who is back, how cute. Misspelled name on a brand new account.

So did you forget how to spell "Shawn" or did you mix up and use a surname for a first name on this account...oops. Seasoned veteran of the BOI with a new account, I think not.

Your 5 posts still o-o-o-o-ze like the same childish rants of Dr. Seuss's character "Sam I am".

"That Sam-I-am
That Sam-I-am!
I do not like
that Sam-I-am"

 

[cool cat]

Peta scum bag !!!

 

[Fatalis]

I take anything PETA says with less than a grain of salt, as they are animal murderers and scummy liars, but as an associate of a pet store where Reptiles By Mack are our sole reptile supplier they have shown how poorly they treat their animals. Last winter we had at least 3 ball pythons, and a few bearded dragons and leopard geckos die during shipping because they sent them out in terrible weather and freezing temperatures that should have never been acceptable. Their packing job was also deplorable and lacked proper heat packs and were always freezing cold when they arrived. We received a pied ball python that had a degenerative disease and had to be euthanized as there was nothing the vet could do to save him. In our most recent shipment we received a normal ball python who is extremely skinny and dehydrated, and is suspected to have internal parasites. I have personally ordered from Reptiles By Mack and received a beautiful, healthy ember leopard gecko through their Reptique program, but I can safely say I will never deal with Reptiles By Mack again after what I have seen and I count myself as lucky that the leopard gecko I received is still doing great to this day. I would advise people to not deal with Reptiles By Mack.

 

[Sue Henson]

I had a fairly good experience with Reptile By Mack. I purchased a Banana Ball from them when they had them on sale for $150 (Some time in the late winter). I don't live that far away, so I opted to pick the snake up. I did not get a tour of the facility (with my two young children in tow. It wasn't even an option.) but it seemed clean and well set-up from what I saw. The sales rep that helped me saw to my needs as best she could, pulling a smaller snake for me. She had him ready to go before my arrival and the transaction was quick and easy.
The only thing I wasn't wild about was the boxing fees they tack on. I didn't really need an insulated shipping box for the 25 minute drive home we made, but it wasn't worth arguing about.
The snake is thriving thus far. He eats well, had a great weight on him when we got him, was mite and problem free. He came with a hatch certificate which even cited his preferred prey. It was a good experience for my kids and they continue to enjoy the snake.
I think most places that deal with large volumes of reptiles will have its share of good and bad experiences, hopefully far more good than bad. By no means do they set out to sell consumers ill or problematic animals. No one is infallible.

 

[The Magic maker]

Quick Question

Repite by Mack do you guys separate animals that you sell wholesale vs animals that you sell to the general public?

 

[lilgreenbee]

There are many Fauna members all over the U.S. Those of you who know wholesalers in Ohio might ask them for a review, since there is an apparent open invitation to them to stop by RBM at any time without an appointment.
PETA is such an unethical organization in my opinion, the video is meaningless.

Why did they target Mack? I don't know. But I do feel strongly that if the Fauna community had not shown its usual thoughtful approach and instead swallowed PETA's accusations hook line and sinker, that the overall reptile business structure would have seen many more businesses targeted in an attempt to systematically destroy them.

It would be nice to hear a review just to clear the air, so if you know a wholesaler in Ohio, please ask them to stop by Mack's.

I agree with that as well. Might be able to debunk a lot of what we assume is cherry picking, and perhaps uncover what wasn't. I have no doubt that PETA was very selective on what to show, and only showed what would cast Mack in a bad light. It would be nice to see what is real and what isn't from someone without an agenda.

 

[Ricardo M Gordon]

I have no love for reptile distributors that do not care for their animals but I have less love for PETA who would like nothing better to outlaw all pet keeping.

 

[snakesareawesome]

If there is evidence of unhealthy animals being sent out, by all means post a BOI about it. However, no video from PETA can be taken seriously. Sending in people to do X work, then documenting they failed to do X work, only proves the PETA plants should be charged with crimes.

 

[lilgreenbee]

If there is evidence of unhealthy animals being sent out, by all means post a BOI about it. However, no video from PETA can be taken seriously. Sending in people to do X work, then documenting they failed to do X work, only proves the PETA plants should be charged with crimes.

The fact that someone got a job there and deliberately decided to not take care of the animals, in order to sabotage their employer, is incredibly disturbing. It baffles me that PETA believes that causing animals suffering is a means to an end of stopping the suffering of animals.

 

[BeauBoi]

The fact that someone got a job there and deliberately decided to not take care of the animals, in order to sabotage their employer, is incredibly disturbing. It baffles me that PETA believes that causing animals suffering is a means to an end of stopping the suffering of animals.

It is more than disturbing, it is criminal. However, if you ever read the autobiography (and I suggest you do!) of Ingred Newark, the founder of PETA, there are a LOT of things (relayed by her!) in the book that are DEEPLY disturbing. Not to mention PETA's admitted association with domestic terrorists...
~Beau