Lori Kehoe/Lori_SnakesRule (not a good guy post, not a bad guy post)

[Wilomn]

I don't think the horse is quit dead yet. Eddie repeatedly stated that he does not take paypal. Read repeatedly as over and over and over. Then she pays him through paypal. He can't get the money and has no desire to utilize their services.

If anything I see it more of a parting shot at Eddie, sort of like here's the money I owe you and even a piddling amount more. Too bad you can't get it , huh?

I'm not positive but I think he mentioned at least three times that he would not use paypal. Maybe she didn't get it the first time. Maybe she didn't get it the second time. I really think she should have gotten the message by the third time. Is there some magic number that has to be reached before she grasps the fact that paypal is unacceptable to Eddie?

Send the man a money order as he requested many times lori, and then maybe this will finally be buried. This is all on her from my point of view.


Wes Pollock

 

[Darin Chappell]

I'm sorry, but the man has NOT been paid.

Let's say that he was selling her a snake (which in the fact of the matter, he kind of is), and he wants $37.50 for his animal. She wants to pay him via PayPal, but he does not want that form of payment. Why? Who knows! Maybe he doesn't trust PayPal. Maybe he doesn't trust Lori, and is afraid that she'll reverse the charges on him. Perhaps he doesn't want anyone having electronic access to his checking account. Maybe it's just that the guy doesn't like company names with two "Ps" in them! It doesn't really matter, does it? The guy does NOT accept PayPal!

So, Lori says, "I really want that snake! How about if I send you more money than you had wanted through PayPal? That means you owe me the snake, right?" Wrong. No seller in his right mind would ship an animal that had been paid for in a manner that is not acceptable to him.

Personally, I use Amex as much as possible. There's no interest and I have to pay it off each month, so it's just like cash to me. However, Rich Z. doesn't accept Amex. Can I say he ripped me off for a shipment of snakes he never sent because I insisted on paying him in a manner that he does NOT accept? No way! I would be laughed off the face of the reptile world, if I tried.

Ed does NOT accept PayPal. Lori knows this. Lori wants to pay Ed through PayPal, for whatever reason. However, since Ed does NOT take PayPal, she has NOT paid him one red cent! The fact of the matter is that Lori owes Ed this money. She admits as much. Therefore, it behooves HER to find out a way to pay her debt which is acceptable to HIM and HIS standards. Lori doesn't get to be a long term bad debtor AND dictate the terms of repayment. Sorry. That's just not how it works.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

I agree that it would have been more professional of her to use the payment method he requested and I am, in no way, excusing her un-businesslike behaviour but payment HAS been made. It will take all of about 3 minutes to arrange to have the PayPal funds transferred to his account.

I definitely think Lori was 100% in the wrong here based on the info provided but Ed's posting on the BOI has had the desired result...payment. At this point it is up to hime as to whether he wants to dig his heels in and hope for payment to be made in another way or to take what has been offerred and let this situation fade.

 

[Wilomn]

So then, by this logic, if I were to make a purchase from you, put it on my discover card( I don't have one and don't know if you take it, this is purely hypothetical) which you had told me prior to my purchase that you did not accept, you would ship me the animals I had "paid" for ? You would be willing to go jump through whatever hoops they wanted you to so that you could get payment from a company that you had told my no less than three times NOT to use? Are you up for sainthood or what?!

I'm not trying to jump down your throat here, it's just unreasonable from my perspective to expect him to use paypal for her convienence. HE HAS NOT BEEN PAID!

Wes Pollock

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Name calling aside, there is a vast difference to not being able to take a particular payment method and being unwilling to accept a particular form of payment. To accept a particular credit card you have to have a prior arrangement with that credit card company. Anyone with a bank account and a computer with internet access can accept PayPal. If this were simply a current sale and she had PayPal'd him after being told not to, I would agree completely. Of course, in that case, he would not already have surrendered possession of the animals.

There is also a vast difference in the two scenarios. One is the collection of a long term bad debt. The other is a normal current transaction so I don't really think it is an apt analogy.

Question? If the amount here were $3,750 instead of $37.50 would the principle aspect of this situation be quite as large a issue?

I think this may be one instance where you have to decide if the potential loss (admittedly a small sum) is worth losing on a point of principle. Maybe she will send the payment by proper channels. Maybe she won't.

In any event....Good luck with this situation Ed.

 

[Wilomn]

I don't recall any name calling. And isn't one of the points of having principles not breaking them. Whether for money or not if you have a principle you stick by it, otherwise it's not a principle at all.

As far as the analogy being apt, had she paypaled him last year would she have been more in the right? I don't think the time frame has anything to do with the method of payment. She was REPEATEDLY told not to use paypal. She used paypal. Ed has not been paid

Whether a purchase is currently being made or a bad debt from long ago is being made good, when a preference for payment has been made over and over the payer should respect the wishes of the payee. It's courteous if nothing else.

Wes Pollock

 

[ReticEd]

The animal in question, has been IN her personal collection for over a year.
This means she has had possession of the animal for quite some time.

Now a little info on the animal.

It came out of a local to me shelter, with a fee of $75 which I paid out of my own pocket.

The trip that was made to pick up this one and the female burm and the caimen (from same shelter, to which I was reimbursed for the fees promptly, no profit at all, due to the want of me to find homes for them, the same way I do ALL rescues) was already planned by Lori, in order to pick up an 11 feet long female boa that was also a rescue, at my house.
This boa also resides in her private collection. (Diamond)

So the fuel costs mentioned by Lori, over $100 just to come here and pick up the burms & caimen, do not apply, since the cost was already planned in advance, due to her want of and desire to have the 11 footer.

Devin, go read the fine print of the above posts made by me, explaining in detail, that all the prior attempts, in chat PMs, site PMs and such, were ignored for a year.
This is NOT a new issue yet is an issue that needs to be resolved.


And as others have repeated, I do not have nor plan on using pay Pal.
I also will not accept a dime more than the original amount, $37.50, which is 1/2 of the shelters fee.

Also, due to the implications set forth by Lori Kehoe, on her RTBs post, she clearly owes an apology to the people she has accused of committing felonies and tampering with her account.

As for Loris resignation from RH, it was done AFTER the week of emails in planning the meeting. Not prior, as was suggested by her.

Also, devin, your assignment is to write, 'I will not disrupt class' 1000 times on the chalkboard.

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

"Question? If the amount here were $3,750 instead of $37.50 would the principle aspect of this situation be quite as large a issue?"

Would be a larger issue~ A 3% issue. 3% of $37.50 is only $1.13, but 3% of $3,750 is $112.50. Would be a big issue if paid by PayPal when it was not accepted.

Still a big issue at only $37.50 with only a $1.13 fee. Maybe he doesn't want his bank account tied to a PayPal account. Maybe he doesn't want ANY of his personal financial information out on the internet. If you don't understand why anyone would refuse PayPal~ Check this out

http://paypalsucks.com/

Just my 2 cents~ for what their worth~ certainly not $1.12 or $112.50, but they might be worth his entire bank account balance and credit history.

 

[JasonBrennan]

I think if you want to get right down to it, the man said he does not take PayPal. Therefore, he has not been paid. Paypal is not legal tender. Only cash is legal tender. Any other form or method of getting that cash is totally up to the seller (Ed) if he will accept that method or not.

I don't know Ed or Lori, but it sure seems that Lori needed to get in one final stab at Ed by trying to pay him via PayPal (which he does not take, and has stated very clearly that he does not take PayPal).

Just my observations based on what I have read here, nothing more.

 

[XzyluM]

If memory serves me correctly, they do not need a Paypal account, all they need is a valid email address and Paypal will get the money to them some way. If not, I get paid Thursday and will pay Eddie myself if is drops the subject. Wasn't the deal that Lori would pay you when she was heading down to N.C. Eddie, I'm sure she has proof of that to.

 

[Darin Chappell]

Why exactly should Ed have to "drop it" when Lori owes him money and refuses to pay him in a manner that he accepts???? Since when do debtors get to tell those to whom they owe how they shall make restitution?

Say what you want. Lori's reputation has suffered greatly in my estimation over her lack of conscientiousness, committment, and her overall pettiness. I'll not deal with her on any level, and I stood up for her here on the BOI when she was wronged before.

Really very sad, Lori.

 

[DaveyFig]

Just A little something...

My roomate got a call today from Visa saying he is 3 months late on payment. He asked if they accept paypal, and they said no. Then he asked if they accept Visa, the lady laughed, but still said no. He said " Hey, I tried. I will get a check in the mail tomorrow".
I think the same thing should be done here. Like Mr. Chappell said, the person who owes the money doesn't get to chose.Short of say...mking the person send it in euros or yen, I feel the person to whom the money is owed should have every right to chose the form of payment. Just my thought, but I have been wrong before.


P.S. If anyone is willing to accept sand dollars for payment on high end boas, feel free to email me

 

[Darin Chappell]

"Mr. Chappell"


???


Since when did my Dad start posting on here?!?!?

:laugh:

 

[ReticEd]

If memory serves me correctly, they do not need a Paypal account, all they need is a valid email address and Paypal will get the money to them some way.

Once again, Devin, PP was NEVER the way that I have ever asked to be reimbursed. Besides, a USPS MO is legal tender, cheaper, and is accepted by every financial institution in this country and a lot of the world.

If not, I get paid Thursday and will pay Eddie myself if is drops the subject.

Nope, not your debt.
Why do you wish to pay ANOTHER persons debt?
Feeling generous?
I'll send you my house payment book...

Wasn't the deal that Lori would pay you when she was heading down to N.C. Eddie, I'm sure she has proof of that to.

Yes, at one time many months, around 10 months ago, other trips were planned by Lori, to pick up other animals, yet were cancelled at the last minute, IF there was any notification of a cancellation at all.
I have also been holding onto other animals that she claimed and failed to pick up or make arrangements on.

Sure, she planned multiple trips to this area, never made any of them, guess a male burm and an 11 foot boa was worth the trip, especially since it was already planned out with many other people and rescue organizations along the way, yet a tort, a turt and a rat snake, were not worth making a trip, plans for shipping, or even an email or a call to say 'Hey! I can't make it!'
Which put me down on space for quite some time, holding the animals for her, instead of finding homes for them to others that would like to have and care for them.

I am not the first person that Lori asked to get animals for, or hold animals for her, and have her end of the deal fall through due to whatever excuse she has that week.

I also ask, why is it that if Lori is owed money etc. she wants satisfaction YESTERDAY and demands to be settled up, yet when she is the one owing, then it can wait. (TCSerpents I believe was also posted on here by Lori, along with several members of the site she tried to do in over dealings that should have been done in private, yet were brought up multiple times in chat, by Lori)
Sounds like trying to get your taxes settled with the gov'ment....

While you may say this is a matter of principle, I honestly have to disagree. Never was this issue brought up until Lori had resigned from RH. When all the issues came up and about, you brought this up.

Yes, it IS a matter of principle.
You want to know why it was never brought up in the last year?

Because I am nice, have been nice, the entire year and longer, keeping it in private, up until the messages to Lori, began to be ignored and deleted etc.
Not even my best buds on RH/RTB were aware that this situation was ongoing, one was suprised about it, had no idea about it at all!
That is how well I tried handling it in private!

I have a strongly disagree that her account was tampered with due to a coding malfunction. Tons of complaints were posted in the past with admins tampering with others accounts like changing their passwords, and email addresses so they could not retrieve their pass. There has been tons of complaints related to admins abusing their privileges and doing things they are not suppose to be doing.

That is another issue entirely.
I posted possible things that could have gone wrong on her account as it has happened to others accounts due to code issues, glitches etc.
The underlying problem with the complaints about accounts and Lori having made accusations at other admins, well, it is pretty much a crock of ****.
Simply put, we had an admin, that whenever was dissagreed with, in private or public, would go out of the way to stir up the pot and eventually lock accounts due to 'flames'.
This same admin also went out of the way to harrass a site member at his place of employment, over a dispute that was apparently held in the privacy of email and PMs.
This members account was also locked and later deleted, by the same admin, against the judgement and advice of other admins.
Same admin also harrassed others, including admins, waving a fan on the flames then hiding behind the almighty TOS.
Same admin also has a rep for doing as pleased in order to stay 'rosy' in appearance, running away people that opposed the said admin over some pretty minor stuff.

BTW, this same admin also is a Moderator on the RTBs site, where my original post was deleted, and said by the same, that it must have been the site owners doing.....
Old habits die hard....
Care to guess exactly WHO I am referring to?

For Loris stated complaints about admins doings in this arena, it was asked by me, in email, to clarify the complaints from the members in order to be able to better ourselves as admins.

I got NO reply from her on this.

One complaint that I have heard of, was what was thought of as a 'stalking' in the forums by an admin.
Apparently, other admins were not supposed to post replys to her friends posts as the answers given were considered flames and 'stalkings'.

Lori has seen fit to create her own hole in this and other matters, some of which were brought up by one on RTBS on the thread I started prior to coming here.
I'm sure that others will come out and say thier two bits worth as well.
I am curious why Lori has been quiet here, in this thread.
Perhaps it is due to having a puppet post in her place.

Sorry Devin, but ya really need to let others do their own posting here.



geee... I do think this has been my most unlady-like post in quite some time!

 

[Dianne Johnson]

For what it is worth, I also agree that Eddie has not been paid - period. How many times does "I do not take PayPal" have to be said for it to sink in? I agree with the principal of the issue as well, I make good on my debts and expect the same in everyone I deal with. It can thus be surmised that I will never enter into a deal with Lori as she has proven that she cannot keep her word. I dare say a lot of people following this thread feel the same. It is irrelevant how much 'good' advise she's given. She doesn't honor her word for a debt she owes.

As for PayPal, I don't blame Eddie for that either. I make handcrafted jewelry and while I do not currently have an online business for it, I also already know that PayPal is not a form of payment I will accept when I do. Postal money orders are legal tender, PayPal is not, end of story. When I do a show and thus get phone or email orders after that, I require a check (which has to clear first) or postal money order. I think this is just another of Lori's petty jabs at Eddie - and extremely unprofessional to boot.

Dianne Johnson

 

[HerpVenue]

I have a strongly disagree that her account was tampered with due to a coding malfunction. Tons of complaints were posted in the past with admins tampering with others accounts like changing their passwords, and email addresses so they could not retrieve their pass. There has been tons of complaints related to admins abusing their privileges and doing things they are not suppose to be doing.

Wanna know what is funny? All those "complaints" in the past about tampering.....guess who they were directed at? Take a big guess. Yes your precious LORI.

Then she goes on to post that she resigned her admin role because of the treatment members were having.

She is partially right. She did resign. And the members were not being treated right. One thing she forgets to metnion is most of the mistreatments were done by her. She forgets to metnion that the reson she resigned is because she had to give up (share) her super duper powers. No longer were other admins and mods gonna be ignored. No longer were all the decisions gonna be decided by only one person (Lori). Everything was now gonna be shared. So instead of sharing her super duper powers......she resigned. (If you doubt me...be my guest to ask any other admin/mod who WILL talk.)

here is a timeline for you.
A bunch of moderators and admins were gonna resign.
The owner null and voided our resignations.
So we were all still admins and mods.
Then next thing I knew...Lori resigned.
And all of a sudden all the other admins and mods were just too happy to stay.

Here is part of my post in another forum

Lori was gonna go down the east coast to run some errands....pick up some FREE animals and such. _She was gonna go from Massachusettes down to North C?arolina and Georgia. _Well since she was gonna be passing through South Carolina.....i asked her to pick up an animal for me in Pennsylvania. _She was also supposed to pick up the animals cage for me. _I was adopting the animal and I was gonna pay her some gas money.....even though it was on her way anyway.
_
Want to know what happened? _I got the animal...I gave her gas money. and everything was good. _Months later I was thinking to myself..."I thought I was supposed to get a cage?" _It just so happened the owner e-mailed me and asked about the animal and the cage. _I told her "What cage? _I thought you changed your mind and decided not to give it to me?" _I then asked Lori what happened to the cage. _All she told me was it would not fit with all the animals she had in the van.
_
1. _There was room for a cage in the van
2. _You mean to tell me you went all the way South to pennsylvania picked up an animal and a cage....decided the cage would not fit and drove all the way North to massachussettes to conveniently drop the cage off at your house?
3. _Why was I not informed about the cage not fitting in your van when I picked up the animal?
4. _I fthe cage could really not fit in your van....why did you not just leave it with the owner? _Why did you feel compelled to load it up into your van (even though it did not fit) and then go out of your way to take it home?
_
_
It must have been a really nice cage.
The owner made it specially for the animal. _it was custom made.
The owner was mad at me for a while thinking I refused the cage or something. _I had to explain to her that the cage was conveniently left out of the conversation...the cage was conveniently not fitting in the van so the person delivering it ...delivered it to her own home.
_
That is my story.
My cards are on the table.
What does your cards say about it?

I am trying to let this die down.......but I fell compelled to tell my story every time someone thinks someone else is just so honest.

Oh addie. a tor a turt and a corn snake?
You know those things won't make any money.
So forget about having those things picked up.
You know it is not about love of animals.....it is about how much money those animals will bring. (No one else has the balls to say it...So I just did)

 

[ReticEd]

----- Original Message -----
From: "JOSEPH GILBERT-KEHOE" <addy removed by [email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 8:26 AM
Subject: payment


> I notice that you have not claimed that paypal payment at all according
> to my paypal account/email that I received. According to paypal all you
> had to do was request the payment and if you don't have a paypal account
> they will forward a check to you for the amount of the payment.
> Not sure what you want to do with this atm..I can do any of the
> following with it.
> Leave the paypal payment there for you to claim.
> Cancel the paypal payment and forward it via another route.
> Do you have western union access [ usually at like a grocer store]? I can
> send this way via their site and forward the #'s you would need to claim
> it at one of their payee stations.
> Or ya can wait till I am able to leave the house and grab a money order
> for the payment. This will take awhile due to my medical going on atm.
> Not sure when , could be a few weeks this way. I got your snail mail in
> one of the last pm's on Clay's site last week when I was ol for this.
> Let me know which one you want done then...
> LORI
>

My reply:
MO in snail mail will be fine, and not a dime over 37.50, minus the cost of the MO also. Only 37.50 was owed and agreed upon, so no need for you to pay more on fees/costs etc.
So yes, cancel the PP since I am not going to go that route.
Eddie



Now, just a wait and see thing....

 

[Dianne Johnson]

Ummm....*raising hand*.....question???

Why would it take a few weeks to get you a money order? Even if she is bed-ridden and paralyzed, she supposedly has a number of kids and a husband, why can't one of them take cash to a post office and purchase a money order? You don't need an ID to purchase a postal money order, nor do you have to be a certain age (in the case of one of the kids). Also, I used to work for the post office, if a customer called for stamps, a money order, etc. - the carrier would pick up the funds and deliver the product the next day for housebound folks. IMO, she's just pulling another stall tactic. I'd be surprised if you get your money as you asked for it. Good luck......it looks like you're gonna need it.

Dianne

 

[BWSmith]

Well, at least there is contact. That is a step in the right direction.

 

[XzyluM]

Let's say this, Lori is dealing with an E. Coli infection in her kidney and is suffering from migraines as well. Of course the medication she is having to taking is causing her to sleep about 18 hours a day. So does this mean she is trying to ignore this thread? I doubt so. Anyone that has been that sick knows pretty well that the internet is the last thing they want to be on. Ritchie, I respect your views, but I have to honestly say you are wrong. Weeks before the meeting even took place, Lori had already resigned her position and was waiting for Shane to appoint the admins and mods. So no, she did not resign because everyone else resigned and she had to give up her privileges. Her admin privileges were given by none other than the site's owner Shane. So if any admin were more than worried about Lori having more privileges them others, then I believe they should have went to him. After all, he owns the site and deserves the right to give anyone whatever he please just like any other site owner. Again on the complaints, most were made regarding Eddie and especially Brett. Anyone that actually kept up with the site during the long run could clearly pinpoint that out. I've seen firsthand Lori step up for members that were being berated and given uncalled for responses from such admins. Feel free to contact Shane himself and verify this if you doubt me Ritchie. So it seems Eddie has worked out and agreed upon snail mail. That's great and as far as this topic goes I'm pretty much done with it. RH is RH and those who resigned will likely never return and will move on with everything that took place over there, I expect the same towards us.