Lovell Romans @ Precision Caging defrauded me!

[Junkyard]

Day, how goes the fight with Lovell?

 

[BWSmith]

I guess this is another person to add to the list of people to not buy from.
This is not right.
Reading the thread, posting ads, but making no effort to clear this up.
Here is an ad posted today on KS so he has access to a computer (just doesn't want to use it to explain this I guess)

Doesn't KS have a feature where you have recurring ads automatically added? Perhaps that is the reason for the new ads rather than something Lovell is actively pursuing.

 

[SPJ]

In order to put it up with the current ddate, you need to manually relist it. You can have them stay up for several days at a time but they will be dated when they were originally posted.

Lovell went from someone I have bought cages from and recommended to a person I would never buy from again and would warn others to stay away from.

He needs to address this because as of right now his reputation is garbage and a lot of people who thought he was a good guy are extremely upset over this situation.

 

[BWSmith]

I was curious because a friend that owns a pet shop got robbed and they destroyed his computer. A couple weeks later I saw an ad on KS from him for one of the snakes that got stolen. So I called him up and asked if he managed to get the snake back. He said no and that the ad automatically reposted along with a few others. Since his computer was trashed, he had to go over to someone's house to remove the ad.

 

[Chameleon Company]

With Kingsnake, you can set the ad to automatically renew on as little as every seven days. To post it more frequently, it has to be manually relisted. It will re-post with the new day's date, but usually with a time of 6:00 or 6:01 or 18:00 or 18:01. That's about the only way to tell if its on auto-relist. I think that Lovell's ad is no longer there, at least under the name Precision Cages. It is possible he is on hard times, and unable to stay in operation. It is also possible he could reconstitute with a new name and new email address. Still hoping that somehow he makes things right.

 

[dayligon]

Incremental headway

I apologize that I've disappeared from this thread for so long, but I've been out of the country for several weeks, and progress in my complaint through the FBI internet fraud unit has been slow. However, since returning I've completed paperwork sent to me by the Oklahoma Attorney General's Office that may assist in reaching a resolution.

I'll post updates as things progress (all the better to keep this thread highly visible), but as I say, it's been a painfully slow process.

I think I've mentioned this before (and others have, too), but if anybody else out there has had similar problems with Lovell Romans at Precision Caging please let me know, and be sure to file a complaint with Kingsnake.com so we can help ensure he quits posting ads there.

-Day Ligon

 

[Junkyard]

As I spend my morning fixing the back panel on a precision cage my 9.5 foot and 6.5 foot boa's popped out last night, I was thinking about this thread(along with muttering unrepeatable things under my breath about the shoddy work done on this particular cage, 1 out of 10 ain't bad I guess).

Day, do you have any new updates to report as of yet?

 

[BWSmith]

Is that a custom model? I don't recall a standard size that would accomidate a 9.5 footer, much less a pair of adult boas. Of course, I have not kept boids in Precisions, just Crotalids.

 

[Junkyard]

It is a 4 foot long cage. I need too correct myself on the large boa's size, we were able to accurately measure her (since she was out) 8 feet 11 inches. The other boa is correct on size. They fit fine, just for breeding than she's off into a larger separate cage.

 

[angelann1950]

Another Thief At Work-lovell Romans- Precision Caging

I too have been ripped off by Lovell Romans. I ordered a cage from him in early January 2006. I believe it was 1-5-06. The money in the amount of $381.00 was debited from my checking account 1-9-06. So far, all I have gotten from him are broken promises and lies. (Delivery 2-3 wks)

I am filing a complaint with the IFCC.

I have called and left messages and emailed him numerous times. I have gotten a few responses from him promising the cage will "be there no later than this week", "I'm trying to get back up and running", "my daughter has been sick". Maybe he needs the money to pay his daughter's medical bills. Does anyone have his mailing address? All I know is he is in Ohio.

Why, if he is such a scam artist, is he still allowed to advertise his bogus, so-called business on the internet?

I am going to call the bank tomorrow and see if I have any recourse there for reporting a fraudulant sale. I am also calling my lawyer for advice. I am ready for a fight. I am furious and I will try to do my part to see that justice is done.

People like him need to be reprimanded and held responsible for their actions. Far too many people are allowed to get away with this kind of stuff.

Where are unsuspecting customers supposed to go to get the help that is needed to stop these thieves?(one in particular-Lovell Romans) People just can't be allowed to get away with this.

Ann

 

[dayligon]

Ann,

I'm really sorry to hear that you're having problems similar to those I had with Lovell Romans and Precision Caging. After eight months(!), I finally received the 11 cages yesterday that I paid for up front. However, nothing happened prior to getting the internet fraud division of the FBI and the Oklahoma Attorney General's office (my home state) involved. Fortunately, it never actually went to court.

Mr. Romans requested that once I received the cages that I'd paid for, I "make things right" for him here on fauna, as this thread has reportedly resulted in a steep decline in his sales (sorry, Ann). Although I'm in no way legally or morally obligated to heed that request, I've decided to post the few e-mail transactions I've had with him in recent months in which, among other things, he makes a case for his innocence in this matter. I'll then leave it for the time being for you and other readers to decide whether or not to patronize Precision Caging.

-Day

 

[dayligon]

Details of resolution (read from the bottom up)

For this to make sense, start with the last message and work your way up. As stated in my previous posting, I did in fact receive the ten cages that were owed me, and all arrived undamaged.
-Day


From: "Precision Caging" <[email protected]>
To: "Day Ligon" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Precision caging
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:02:21 -0500


Yep they just went out today ' They said you will have them in two days .
there coming con-way ccx . start fixing with kingsnake .
Thanks
Lovell Romans


----- Original Message -----
From: Day Ligon
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Precision caging


Lovell,

Have you shipped that cages as promised? If not, please explain.

-Day



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From: "Precision Caging" <[email protected]>
To: "Day Ligon" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Precision caging
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:52:47 -0500


They will be gone out one day next week ' I will let you know what day so you can be there to get them . they are gone out by truck.
Lovell


----- Original Message -----
From: Day Ligon
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Precision caging


Roman, this is getting tiresome. I sent you photos of the damage to the cage within 48 hours of having received them and in response received--surprise--no response from you. Furthermore, I don't give a crap if you can prove your ridiculous story in court, it's irrelevent to my complaint. The facts are that I sent you money for 11 cages to be delivered in 2-3 weeks. Five months later I received two, one of which was damaged beyond use. Now after seven months you're claiming that you're prepared to finally fulfill my order, coincidentally on the same day that you received a letter from the Oklahoma Attorney General's Office sent on my behalf. What it boils down to is that you have a lot of my money and I haven't the products that I paid for, or a refund. The circumstances that caused these events are irrelevant to me or to a judge. If you to pay the postage for me to send the broken cage back, I'll do so after I receive a replacement. I've even saved the original carton for that purpose. Until then, I'll make ample use of the university legal services that are at my disposal free of charge. You're right that the attorney general's office's legal authority in this matter is limited, but a lawyer's will not be.

I've been far more reasonable to this point than events warrant, but my patience is wearing very thin. Don't forget that a small claims court case against you for one cage will be nearly as much hassle for you as if it were for ten cages, as the case would be filed in Oklahoma. Furthermore, the university may wish to tack on an additional penalties to cover the cost of their lawyer. Send me the ten cages (in good condition) that you owe me and you can put this behind you once and for all. Anything less and I'll continue to pursue this matter until it is settled to my satisfaction.

-Day




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From: "Precision Caging" <[email protected]>
To: "Day Ligon" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Precision caging
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:26:51 -0500


first of all don't play games with me what I told you was the truth and I will not have any trouble to prove that in any court . And as for the damaged cage you did not turn in over to fedex so I could get the clam for that .As for this letter that I got to day 'it does not hold water and they can't do anything . If you wanted the damaged cage replaced you should have turned it over to fedex. If you have the damaged cage still
I would like to send them back to pick it ' If they have it I get the clam for that cage it's
only $ 100.00 but that replaces some of the money that went into the cage.
Thanks
Lovell Romans


----- Original Message -----
From: Day Ligon
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Precision caging


Hi Lovell,



So I guess you finally received a letter from the Oklahoma Attorney General's office.

First of all, I don't believe any part of your story, and not just because of the many inconsistencies in it. You've lied to me repeatedly about the status of my order over the past seven months (SEVEN MONTHS!!! For an order that you initially said would take 2-3 WEEKS!) Furthermore, if your littany of excuses were true, they're not my concern. I sent you a large sum of money and you didn't deliver what was paid for. I asked repeatedly that you send them or refund my money, and you did neither. AND, you were observed logged into the thread about my problems with you on Fauna way back when I made the first postings. So no, I don't believe any of what you've told me.

That said, if you send me the cages in 10 days (that includes a replacement for the one that was severely damaged in shipping) then I will not pursue any other compensation from you IF I in fact receive the cages in good condition in 10 days. Take note though, that I will not consider the matter finished until I have a total of 11 undamaged cages. If one or more does arrive damaged, I will inform you of this within 48 hours of receiving the cages, and I will take additional action if I don't get a positive response from you within 24 hours.

As for your 'shattered' reputation, it really isn't my problem, as none of what I wrote was libelous. However, after our transaction has been satisfactorally settled, I would be happy to post a message stating that you did in fact send the cages and describing the condition they arrived in and that I like the cages (I really do like the one functional cage I have except for the flimsy hinges). After that, it's your job to rebuild people's trust in your business ethics.

So, 10 cages in 10 days is the bar you've set for yourself. As I've suggested all along, I'd really encourage you to stay in close e-mail contact with me in the meanwhile. It will really help keep my blood pressure down, and probably make me a little less litigeous. I'm not taking the possibility of demanding monetary reimbursement instead of cages off the table in the event I don't receive the cages as you've just promised, so stick to your self-imposed deadline.

Sincerely,

Day




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From: "Precision Caging" <[email protected]>
To: "Day Ligon" <[email protected]>
Subject: Precision caging
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:46:14 -0500


Hi
Just to tell you just what has been gone on ' I have been hospitalize for a long time for back surgery then I came home and stayed bed riding and druged up for over two months then my 12 month old little girl had to have surgery ' Then my uncle died and I had to find some one to drive me out of state to his funereal because I was not aloud to drive at the time . This hole time I did not know what you was doing to me on the internet ' undoing years of work and trust that took me to build up on the internet and no one could tell me this because I was not aloud to be stressed out . So now I back
and now I know . I have been making alot of money on this internet for many years and for the first time I had trouble . Well this is how its gone to go ' I don't care about a little $ 3000.00 order 'its not even a enough to pay any of my bills . You have made it where I don't have anything to lose now ' thats how bad you have made my business now ' So to day I went and talked to a lawer friend of mine. So here is how its gone to be ' I will send out your cages in 10 days and when you get them you will start restoring my good name on the internet . If you choose to come after me for the money thats was put in to your plastic to build your cages ' Then I will have to file for
bankruptcy on the business because you have made such a bad name for me that
I went from have $ 10'000 in my account everyday to own the bank $ 500.00 and that makes me bankrupt so I have every right under the law to file for it. That means you get no money or cages . So now the choice is yours ?
Ps I have never burned anyone 'and I dam sure would not have started with you.
Thanks
Lovell Romans

 

[dayligon]

Ann,

One final note before I get off of here and do some work today. Precision Caging's address is 744 East Tibet Road, Columbus, OH, 43211. Why this information isn't provided at the company's website is beyond me. Let me know if I can be of further service.

Day

 

[Junkyard]

Day, that is excellent news! As far as Lovell's stating he did not know about this thread is a bunch of bull, we all know he was here reading it when you stared it. Lovell could have easily came on and pleaded his side.

 

[dayligon]

Yeah, I'm just glad it's finally resolved, though really disheartened to know others are having the same problems. I've run into things like this before with internet dealings, but none have taken so long to resolve! And yeah, we all saw Lovell signed in early on when this thread was created. There are innumberable other "inconsistencies" with what he has said and what I know the facts to be. But if he says they weren't lies then they must not be, right? Doesn't that make perfect sense to everybody?

 

[liquidleaf]

ROFLMAO. He's got a lawyer friend who says they can take you to court for "ruining his good name"? Heheheheheheh. Why do people with horrible customer service (and scammers) always pull that? I think your emails were very well worded. The internet is a great and terrible thing. It can allow scammers access to many victims, but it also gives those victims a heck of a lot of research materials to find out what the laws are and what legal options are open to them.

Libel and slander are FALSE statements spread to purposefully damage someone's reputation. I see nothing libelous or slanderous about the statements written here and I would never do business with Precision Caging, and Day, you're absolutely right, a judge would not care if those various illnesses and funerals really happened or not, they'd still rule that Precision Caging didn't deliver promised goods in a timely manner. Unforseen events DO happen, but that doesn't relieve a business owner of the responsibility of communcating with and addressing their customer's needs and concerns.

I really dislike people who make vague legal threats in response to any criticism of their actions. It's like a kid saying "You, you better give it back.... OR ELSE."

Glad you finally got the cages you paid for. Too bad for Precision Caging's potential business, but it's clear to me that he dug his own hole.

 

[PaulSage]

I was asked to help post Ann's emails, and here they are. I have altered them in no way other than to sort them in chronological order and remove phone numbers and passwords per Ann's request.

From: Angelann1950
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:32 PM
Subject: Cage Inquiry

My name is Ann Davenport from Easton PA. I ordered a cage from you and have heard nothing from you. The $381.00 has already been deducted from my account. I would like to know when to expcect the cage to arrive. Because there has been no communication from you, I am getting worried.

Please reply ASAP.

Thank you

From: Angelann1950
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: Lack of Communication

Dear Lovell

I ordered a beardes dragon cage the beginning of January. The $381.00 has been debited from my account. I am very irritated that you cannot take the time to get in touch with me to let me know what is going on with the cage. I am not expecting you to have it right away, as the time frame for delivery is 2-3 weeks, but the least you can do is reply to my requests. I am starting to believe that you are representing a scam selling your cages and advertising them on Kingsnake. I will post on Fauna if I have to and I will also be in touch with my attorney if I do not hear from you. You have my money and I have nothing. All I am asking for is a phone call or an email. What is up with you? I have read the threads on Fauna and I thought you were reputable. I will also be in touch with Kingsnake and let them know my dissatisfaction with you.

This is no way to run a business, especially when you have seemingly stolen my money.

I hope there is a good reason for your lack of communication.

If you are not able to fill my order for ONE bearded dragon cage, then please credit my Paypal account, and I will go elsewhere to do business.

Thank you

Ann

From: Precision Caging
To: Angelann1950
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: Cage Inquiry

Hi Ann,

I am very sorry we worried you. My daughter has been in and out of the hospital for 2 months now. We first thought it was bronchitis, then they told us it was pnemonia, we have now just learned it was severe asthma. I wish we had better doctor's here. Anyways I have just been able to contact everyone by e-mail and phone. You cage order is being processed, and again I am very sorry to have not contacted you sooner. Please let me know if you have any questions. I would be happy to answer them.

Thanks Again,
Lovell Romans

----- Original Message -----
From: Angelann1950
To: Precision Caging
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Cage Inquiry

Thank you so much for responding. I am pleased that my order is being taken care of. I also hope your daughter is feeling better. I know what asthma is like. I also have it and every time I get a cold I suffer with the asthma part.

Thanks again-I am relieved.

Ann

----- Original Message -----
From: Angelann1950
To: Precision Caging
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: Bearded Dragon Cage

I have not received my cage yet and want to know what the status of it is, and when it will be done and shipped?

Thank you

Ann Davenport

----- Original Message -----
From: Precision Caging
To: Angelann1950
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Bearded Dragon Cage

I'm trying to get everything back up and running so the latest it will go out is next week.
Thanks
Lovell Romans

----- Original Message -----
From: Angelann1950
To: Precision Caging
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Bearded Dragon Cage

Has my bearded dragon cage been shipped yet? And if so, what shipper do you use? I am getting very impatient with you. I ordered this cage the beginning of January. If you were unable to manufacture it in a timely fashion you should have informed me. I am sorry that you had an illness in your family, but when you run a business you are responsible for filling the orders promptly or notifying your customers that you are not able to do so. The issue that I have with you is that you withdrew the money from your Paypal account on 1-9-06, in the amount of $381.00 in case you have forgotten. Basically you have stolen from me. I expect the cage to be in my possesion no later than next Friday-February 24th. I don't care how you have to ship it, it better be here. If it is not, I want the total amount of $381.00 put back in my Paypal account and I will go elsewhere to a more reliable business for my purchase. I need this cage because my beardies are growing i.e. 18 inches long and they need to be placed in a more humane cage.

I would expect a phone call or an email as soon as you receive this. XXX-XXX-XXXX or [email protected].

Enough is Enough. I have been patient long enough.

Ann S Davenport
XXX-XXX-XXXX
[email protected]

----- Original Message -----
From: Precision Caging
To: Angelann1950
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Bearded Dragon Cage

Hi Ann,

I understand your frustration and it will be there this week.


Thanks Agaun,
Lovell

From: Angelann1950
To: Precision Caging
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: INTERNET FRAUD INVESTIGATION

It is Sunday morning 2-26-06:

My, my Mr Romans, How are you this fine morning?

FYI-I won't give up till this matter is resolved, so you'll have to get used to me.

It is my belief at this time that you are the scum of the earth who is $381.00 richer due to your scam artistry of stealing that amount of money from my bank account and not providing me with the merchandise I ordered. You must be very down and out to use my money for your own devices. I am wondering why you are not MAN ENOUGH to contact me?????? As far as I know you may be avoiding me and not reading my correspondeces.

I gave you a chance to redeem yourself by yesterday, 2-25-06 and you did not.

You are a thief and a liar.

I guess you don't value your reputation very much, do you?

I am seeking the advice of my lawyer, and am going to post on any website site that I can to let people know what a creep you are, and warn them of your underhanded scheme of milking money from customers . I would like to see your reputation go right down the drain along with your business. Maybe then you you could suffer the consequences that your innocent, unsuspecting customers have.

I am on a fixed income and I sure could use the refund you owe me. I am not as hard up as you though because I don't steal money from people.

You have had all the chances I am giving you and now you will see how very serious I am about having your company name turn to mud.

Why do you have to lie??????? This whole thing would not be happening if you had been in touch with me.

I am more than furious and I am doing all I can to investigate this matter.

The internet fraud website is joined with the FBI and that is how they investigate complaints. I am forwarding the emails I have received from KINGSNAKE. You might want to take time to read them.

JUST IN CASE YOU CAN'T REMEMBER:

XXX-XXX-XXXX
[email protected]

----- Original Message -----
From: Angelann1950
To: Precision Caging
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: Columbus Show last month

GEE Mr Lovells-I understand you were at the Columbus Show last month trying to sell your cages.

Please tell me how you can justify showing your face at a show and selling your cages when you can't fill your prepaid mail orders?????????

I guess maybe you used the money of customers to get to Columbus OH, or pay your daughter's medical bills.

I would like to see your business collapse and go down the tubes. Then see how it feels to be ignored and ripped off. I hope this is not your only job, because it is hard to survive with no income, like me who lives on Social Security.

After posting on Fauna, I see that I am not the only poor fool that you are defrauding.

I will continue to stay in touch with you until this matter is resolved. Maybe you will get angry enough
to send an undamaged, properly packed cage to fill the order or send me a refund. Remember-IT'S A BEARDED DRAGON CAGE??????????????????

You have no conscience, and if you do have a ounce of it, how do you live with yourself???????? You know the old addage "what goes around, comes around."
Eventually that is the truth and it will happen. It is just a matter of time.

Ann Davenport

----- Original Message -----
From: precisioncaging
To: Angelann1950
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Columbus Show last month

When you are down acting like a baby I will tell you what day you cage will be deliverd

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----- Original Message -----
From: Angelann1950
To: Precision Caging
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:57 AM
Subject: Reply to being a baby

You are only hurting yourself and your business by refusing to send the cage or a refund. After I thought about your last email of "when you are done acting like a baby I will tell you what day your cage will be delivered" who is the baby? All I am asking for is my cage or my money and some communication. Communication was key to this transaction and you are at fault for that.

BOTTOM LINE-I came to you to provide a service for me-You have the money-I have no cage-I am out the$381.00. How was I to know that you would turn out to be such a poor businessman?

In order to end this business relationship, just send me an UNDAMAGED bearded dragon cage or my money and we will be done with each other. Until that request has been met, I will continue to email and leave phone messages.

I have never in all my years(and there are many of them) had an experience like this.

Just remember that it is your reputation that is being damaged, not mine.

You have no idea who you are dealing with.

Just send the cage or a refund and let me know:SHIPPER
DATE OF SHIPMENT
TRACKING NUMBER

----- Original Message -----
From: precisioncaging
To: Angelann1950
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Reply to being a baby

For one I did not mean for all of this to happen. At the show I was selling My black cage prototypes because we need the money to cover all of the orders and not just becasue of the doctor bills ' because we have been takeing hits form the plastic companys for a long time now ' we are paying 45 % more on plastic prices and thats per sheet . So we can no longer be nice about it we will have to up our prices by 45 %.
But I will stop the pick on your cage friday and send your money back .
Lovell

----- Original Message -----
From: Angelann1950
To: precisioncaging
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Reply to being a baby

It appears to me after reading all the emails from you to Day about his cages, posted by Day Lignon on Fauna, that you have no money. How were you going to send me a refund, and why haven't you emailed me to tell me how you were going to send it as I requsted in my email from Tues. February 28, 2006?

It seems to me that your reputation has been destroyed and it was all your own doing. COMMUNICATION, COMMUNICATION, COMMUNICATION !!!!!

When I told you I didn't want the cage and wanted a refund I forgot to ask if the cage was finished or near to being finished? If the cage is completed or nearly so, I will accept delivery of it (UNDAMAGED AND PACKED PROPERLY TO AVOID DAMAGE IN TRANSIT)since that seems to be the lesser of two evils. You obviously can't send my money back if you don't have it. At least I won't be out the cage and the money.

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH YOU BEING HONEST AND NOT LYING TO US? Communication is the KEY to a good relationship.

You have been caught in many lies i.e. you told Day that your daughter had surgery,( and on and on with the lies) you told me she had asthma and pneumonia. WHICH ONE WAS IT??????? You know you are wrong, instead of "making thins right" with me, you are still not making an effort by telling the truth.

I expect an email or a phone call (HA HA) from you today telling me what the deal is with the cage or the refund. If you a

----- Original Message -----
From: precisioncaging
To: Angelann1950
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Reply to being a baby

are you nuts ? just asking . Have you seen a doctor yet ?
Not that it's any of your business day has his cages just ask him.
Lovell

----- Original Message -----
From: Angelann1950
To: precisioncaging
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Reply to being a baby

Look Mr Romans, I am tired of all of this. You are making a joke and a fool out of yourself. You are the one acting like a baby. I only want what is mine. You emailed me and told me I'd get my refund on Friday, March 3, 2006. I asked why I had to wait, and by what method you would be using to return it to me. My last email today asked if the cage was finished or close to being done and that I would accept the undamaged cage since it does not appear that you have the money according to your emails to Day which he posted on Fauna. Your account went from $10,000 to $500.00.

Apparently you couldn't see the questions because you only came back at me with one more accusation.
Maybe you need glasses. There was nothing in my email about Day not having his cages. He emailed me and told me that they arrived finally. We Have been keeping in touch with each other.The only reference I made in regard to Day was that he posted the correspondence emails between the 2 of you on Fauna. Day also posted on Fauna that the cages arrived so what business is it of yours to ask if "I am nuts"? I want my cage or my money back like you did for Day plain and simple.

I don't know how I

Ann, please confirm that these are the emails you sent me. Thanks.

 

[angelann1950]

Lovell Romans Precision Caging

This correspondence is let everyone know that I did in fact give Paul Sage of Paul Sage Reptiles my permission to post the above emails on my behalf on 3-2-06. I attest to the fact that these are the exact emails I forwarded to him with pertinent phone numbers and passwords removed for my protection. These emails reflect my disgust and position caused by the actions of Mr Romans.

Ann

 

[angelann1950]

Lovell Romans

Just a quick update. I have just filed a complaint with Bank of America-where I have my checking account, and they are going to research my complaint through Visa and contact Mr Lovells to investigate his fraudulant business tactics.

Ann