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Luc Cauthorn and Matt Cauthorn of Mckenzie_river_reptiles are bad buyers

Dan Scolaro

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Luc Cauthorn (son) and Matt Cauthorn (father) of Leaburg, Oregon aka Mckenzie_river_reptiles are bad buyers who attempted to extort monies from my reptile sales company.

In October 2007, Luc requested to purchase four, ten to twelve inch long, captive born yearling 2006 (gender not guaranteed per the ad) pink tongue skinks, and a deposit was received the first week in November 2007. The terms of purchase were "live arrival guaranteed when delivered on time with express delivery service". Despite efforts to get the skinks paid for by December as agreed, I held the skinks for 4 months until final payment was made February 25th, 2008. The skinks were feeding great on snails and were quite healthy and robust. They were shipped on a warm day at their location, and although there was a shipper delay, Luc reported they arrived alive and fine. This fulfilled my companies terms of purchase regardless of the shipper error which obviously voided any further guarantees.

The next day, Luc was anxious to report that one of the skinks seemed a bit dehydrated from the obvious unfortunate shipper delay. Again, despite the purchase terms of live arrival were met and the company had no further obligation, I was kind to extend the companies guarantee to include an additional free skink this summer when I expected to receive more babies from the breeder. And this generous offer was made regardless of the positive outcome expected of the specimen that he reported as a bit dehydrated, and despite they were all fat and quite healthy here just a few days earlier. Luc responded to be quite pleased with the offer since it was well beyond the terms of the purchase and would provide him an additional free skink.

Several days or a couple weeks past and Luc informed that all of the skinks were all feeding well but the dehydrated one was not eating as much as the others which were a bit larger anyway as they were from a different bloodline. He also reported (without consultation with me or a vet) that he took it upon himself to decided to force feed the skink. I responded that force feeding was a risky course of action and recommended that he be patient and allow the skink to continue to feed on its own as they eat very little anyway. Luc responded to my suggestions that he was quite experienced in such matters with skinks and was confident with his techniques. A few days later, Luc emailed that he made a mistake and overfed the skink and it died. I offered my condolences/sorrows and again said that I would extend the companies guarantee and would provide him another free specimen this summer. Luc responded he was satisfied with the generous offer which again was beyond the companies guarantee.

Weeks later, Luc emailed to voice that he viewed another vendor's advertisement of 2006 skinks, and they appeared somewhat larger to him. I reinforced that the ones he received from my company developed quite normally and fantastic for that matter, and were well developed to be ten to twelve inches long in only 16 months age. Luc followed with immature and nasty emails making reckless charges of sick skinks and made outrageous demands to acquire a 2006 specimen despite my extended guarantee was only for a new born specimen or 2007 specimen. I reminded Luc of the terms and my generous offer but Luc kept emailing nasty writings, and I was nice to ask him several times to cease his nasty wordings of his emails. Luc refused and continued to harass/insult and I was forced to block his email and retract the kind offer of an additional free skink. Luc's father, Matt Cauthorn, emailed to tell me he was some big shot in real estate and the reptile business and made additional threats to include legal suites, references to robbing my collection to threaten and extort money for the skink. After much harassment, and despite I should have told both the father and son to take a flying leap in a lake, I informed the father (Matt) that I would reconsider a free skink this summer when I receive them from the breeder.

Regardless of the kind offer and future reconsideration, they started a bad guy thread under my name in a reckless and poor attempt to harm my companies reputation.

From dealing with them, it appears that both Luc and Matt Cauthorn are somewhat skilled at intimidation tactics/harassment techniques/extortion. It is strongly recommend that anyone wishing to buy/sell anything from them to proceed with extreme caution as their business methods are nasty, vicious, and its a sure bet they will try to use such nasty techniques when buying/selling their animals.

Dan Scolaro
DTS HERPS, INC
 
and although there was a shipper delay,

Could you explain this Dan. What was the shipper delay? How long were they in transit to your buyer? Who is responsible for the shipper delay?
 
Guys......this was all discussed in the currently running BOI thread with Dan's name in the title. Apparently Dan just felt the need to start another thread on the same issue.
 
Cat_72 said:
Guys......this was all discussed in the currently running BOI thread with Dan's name in the title. Apparently Dan just felt the need to start another thread on the same issue.

I know, I know, haha. I want to try and get some EVIDENCE from Dan now, because as of yet he's got next to nothing compared to "Lying Luc". It'd be more interesting if we got two versions of the emails and what-not, anyways.
 
spawn said:
I know, I know, haha. I want to try and get some EVIDENCE from Dan now, because as of yet he's got next to nothing compared to "Lying Luc". It'd be more interesting if we got two versions of the emails and what-not, anyways.

Yeah I'd like to see what he has to say anyways....It is just making him look dumber. :rofl: Esspecialy because he has no evidence just what he says, unlike me who supported all my statements.
-Luc Cauthorn

It's good to know there are reasonable people out there!
 
Someone left a phone message at my business reporting that you committed another fraud by lying about your age when you registered for an account on another animals sales webpage.

I won't report it but you may ask your father to reach into those deep pockets he claims to have to figure a way to get you out of that mess as someone will surely report it and your account will be terminated there.

Dan
 
Sounds like heresay...

Dan Scolaro said:
Someone left a phone message at my business reporting that you committed another fraud by lying about your age when you registered for an account on another animals sales webpage.

I won't report it but you may ask your father to reach into those deep pockets he claims to have to figure a way to get you out of that mess as someone will surely report it and your account will be terminated there.

Dan

"Someone" left a phone message? This thread is making you look worse, Dan.

Bottom line is you shipped his Skinks to the wrong address and never made good on the dead Skink.
 
Spawn:

Are you just mouthing off or have you discovered any evidence that the buyer was entitled to anything besides what he purchased for in the terms of the guarantee? No? So what is your justification for asking for evidence if the buyer was not entitled to anything but the delivery of live skinks?

Half or most of the terms of other reptile companies say they are not responsible for shipper delays and errors but at least I offered to replace any skinks that might be harmed due to shipper error.

Dan
 
Wrong OriginReptiles, the fedex worker accidentally mislabled the boxes and shipped them to the wrong addresses. Bottom line is the buyer harassed and threated to get something he was not entitled for and the offer for the skink was retracted.

Dan


Someone" left a phone message? This thread is making you look worse, Dan.

Bottom line is you shipped his Skinks to the wrong address and never made good on the dead Skink.
 
Here's the evidence of the threats and extortion from the buyer and his father. I realize now he was feeding fatty pink rodents and force feeding those fat pinks into a skink that eats only snails. He has some gall to ask or threaten with a law suite to get a replacement skink after he killed it disregarding my advice not to force feed it and allow it to eat on it own schedule.

Dan


Dear Dan;
My name is Matt Cauthorn and I have been involved with working with various animals since I was a young boy, I am now 47 years old and have done quite well for myself in Realestate development.
To cut to the chase I have read all of the back and forth e-mails between you and my son luc, I have always warned him to check the persons background before making any agreements with anyone, with you Sir he didn't and now he is paying for it and it has been a good lesson for him.
I got out of this buisness for just this reason, I can remember talking to Applegate, ernie wagner, bob clarke, terry vandeventer and others when we started to see so many scam artists and we where all very bummed because it was something we all loved to do, but it just became a real constant anger we would experience at times, Hell Bob had most of his collection stolen, ron tremper likewise has suffered.
This is what you need to know; We are in the process of contacting the other people that have complained against you and I am taking care of the attorney fees which will be part of the judgement so I will recoup those at some point.
Do you understand at all what you have done? or are you amoral and without any sense of right and wrong.
I am going to give you 7 days from today so Dan that would be the 11th this will give you time to take all of your e-mails to your Attorney, after you are told that you would be smart to keep your obligations at that point I want full payment for the animal that came in unsavable and died the next day because YOU sent them to the wrong place and they just sat there.
I would encourage you to seek counsel but that is up to you.
But know this I have already contacted my Attorney and spent 60.00 which I am willing to forgive that if you play nice,than you can move on otherwise you will receive from me whatever it takes to get a Judgment against you and believe this at your own peril; my pockets are much deeper than yours.
Warmest Personnal regards,
Matt Cauthorn
The attorneys Phone # that will be handling the case Donald A Loomis (541)344-8333




Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

Sorry to tell you this, But the thin one died today....I had been pinkie pumping it, this was the second time. It was collapsing and I knew I needed to get some food energy in him. I was too late. I had pinkie pumped him two days ago but he regurgitated half of it. So he only ate half a pinkie the whole time I had him! Keep me updated and sorry that this didn't work out. Shit happens. I froze him, and will ship him on request. I think that the pet store guy must have left them in the deli cups you shipped them in, or something, because like I said they drank for two-three minutes each when I received them! All the other ones look fine and are eating like crazy! I am feeding them smaller snails and more of them, that seems to work well. Thanks,Luc Cauthorn

[email protected] wrote:
Luc, I will replace the thin one this summer when I get more if it does not make it. Dan

I found out that he lied to me on their age.

In a message dated 4/2/2008 1:51:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Hi Dan,



I was looking at some adds on kingsnake.com and came accross this



http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=34&de=564420



I e-mailed the guy and he said that they are 6 months old...I thought why are mine so small. After all they are "06s"



Maybe you meant 06 like 6 months?



Thanks,

Luc Cauthorn

Dan Writes:
well I was told the ones I sent you were yearling born in fall of 2006. I had some others as show in my advertisement that were born fall of 2007 that were tiny 3-4 inchers and that is what you paid for but I sent you the larger ones that were supposed to be a year old. Dan

[email protected] writes:
Actually I paid for 06's, and recieved 07's, that weren't healthy. I should send you pics of what they look like now that they are being fed.



When do you think you will get in another. She was a female.



Thanks,

Luc Cauthorn

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 2:10 PM

Luc, I looked at my spreadsheet and its marked with retail sales prices for 07's and you were kindly shipped 06 specimens at a discount that were quite robust, thick tailed, feeding frequently, and all appearing quite very healthy. I do not know what happened to the other's that arrived thin but it left here healthy and fat like the rest of them. I could also ad that the pet shop they were mistakenly directed to did not report anything wrong with them so can only imagine they were unfortunately chilled, but that is a risk you take when your order reptiles in the middle of winter and live in a cold climate. Perhaps next time I would suggest to obtain specimens during warmer climate conditions to avoid any issues. I also do not appreciate any insulation that the animals were not healthy after I held them here for you for 4 months without a boarding charge. I examined each specimen before shipping and they are had thick tails, good digits, clean poops, were quite spunky, and don't know what happened to that sad one with the thin tail. I have already agreed to work an arrangement for another skink but keep in mind that those skinks were your skinks 4 months ago and they could have been shipped any time before then. Dan

In a message dated 4/3/2008 5:41:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Hi Dan,



"4 months ago and they could have been shipped any time before then."

what does that mean?

Are you taking back your word of sending me another one?

Thanks,

Luc Cauthorn

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 8:01 PM

Means you ordered the skinks 4 months ago and put down the deposit and I held them for 3 months and they could have been shipped any time if paid in full. Dan

In a message dated 4/3/2008 11:25:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Yeah, they were part mine and also part yours...Do you know when you can ship out the replacement?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 9:26 PM

I think I informed that I will not get more until this summer perhaps. Dan

In a message dated 4/4/2008 12:00:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
OK. What would her age be?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 10:32 PM

I am not sure until I get them but they would be 07 or 08 specimens. Dan

In a message dated 4/4/2008 12:48:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
I paid for 06's.

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 11:24 PM

I think you need to listen closely. I sent you 4 healthy skinks at a discount price. When there is any discount applied to any sale, then there are no guarantees. In addition, I held your animals at no cost and did not charge a boarding fee. Unfortunately something happened to one of your skinks during transit and I have agreed to disregard the no guarantee and replace the skink when I get another if you pay the shipping. That is the best I can offer in these circumstances. If you continue to bug me about stuff and pick at me for a bunch of stuff that only aggravates, then I am not sure I will allow any follow up with this situation. Dan

In a message dated 4/4/2008 11:04:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Dan,

You are not being honest. You shipped the skinks to a pet store instead of me, and their stuff went to me. They sat in that pet store for three days probably cold and without water or food. That was clear when I received them. "I sent you 4 healthy skinks at a discount price. When there is any discount applied to any sale, then there are no guarantees." I have never heard of this in my entire life, you should have stated that. "In addition, I held your animals at no cost and did not charge a boarding fee." I am doing/giving someone a payment plan on viper geckos, if I told them that I wanted a boarding fee they would think that I was crazy. I am also doing a payment plan on some R. Leachianus, there is boarding fee.

And Dan I have e-mails from you saying that you would correct this and keep your word and good name....(shipping) (08 specimen)???

Thanks,
Luc Cauthorn

(these bottom e-mails are from him, I did not even have time to reply to him!)



1) "You might keep in mind that I only have live arrival guarantee on lizards and my extended guarantee applies only to snakes, not lizards or anything else, so it went beyond my normal guarantee to offer to replace the one that obviously dehydrated during the trip and actually am not obligated to replace it in the first place. But if you are going to sit there and call me names, then I am not going to be eager to follow up with your issues. Dan"

2) "Luc, I don't appreciate your attitude and name calling. As you know, I did not ship the skinks to the wrong address, it was my agent who made the mistake. I asked you nicely to stop bothering me about it and you seem to wish to continue for some odd reason. I don't like to be harassed and ask you do not contact me further. Dan"

3) "I will contact this summer when I get another batch. Until then, I ask you to not harass me further. Dan"

After this things got worst he blocked my e-mail so I had to use a different account to get get ahold of him!
Why does he want to contact me this summer...Why can;t he just tell me if I am going to end up with three male pink tongue skinks and one female, that are of different ages! I ordered 2.2 06's!

I wrote:
Dan, This is not harassment. This is trying to make sure that you do not just send me a 08 unsexed specimen, and expect for me to pay for shipping. I am in no way name calling. You guaranteed healthy animals and live arrival. I got the live arrival, but you also gave a 48Hrs guarantee that if I found a problem then I needed to report it, which I did. I don't understand why you don't just replace the animal. I am sorry that your helper shipped them to the wrong addresses...You are still responsable.

Thanks,
Luc Cauthorn

P.S. Dan you can't just block my mail. I am going to have to call my lawyer, this is ridiculous



Luc, how old are you? I asked you 10 times not to harass me and you continue to harass. Are you a nut or a 10 year old?

Dan

Luc, Your harassment has caused me to retract my offer on a replacement. It is illegal for you to threaten me with legal action and I am going to block your email now. Please have your attorney send any correspondence to my business address. Also, let him know the skinks departed here healthy and arrived there alive. And grow up and get your mom's approval before using the internet.

Dan

I contacted my attorney, he said that I could probably win but would have to fly down there and bring him to court down in flordia! So this muck gets away with ripping another person off! please don't buy from him, he lies, changes stuff around especially his TOS and fakes harrasment!
 
I was writing too fast and in a hurry but mean't he can be held liable for my legal expenses if I pursue representation via an attorney from any legal threats he takes as his case/claim is obviously bogus.

Dan
 
Dan, You have thrown all sorts of accusations around in both of these threads. You have stated that the father threatened to steal your collection. You have stated that it is not your fault that the shipper sent the package to the wrong address and various half baked statements. If you are not going to make good on the skink, you should probably exercise your right to remain silent!
 
Dan Scolaro said:
I was writing too fast and in a hurry but mean't he can be held liable for my legal expenses if I pursue representation via an attorney from any legal threats he takes as his case/claim is obviously bogus.

Dan


Dan

I think you are mistaken about the 'obviously bogus' status. The other thread has over 100 posts; that in itself seems to say that there are several vigorous points of view.
Is this person in fact a minor? Has he or his father said that they are now represented by an attorney? Has the attorney contacted you?
People threaten legal action all the time and sometimes the threat is just a tactic; while they may have sought and paid for advice if they had actually engaged an attorney to represent them the demand letter would come from him.
The buyer's father claims to have 'deep pockets'. How much money are we actually talking about here what with the skink replacement costs?

I have to say, after reading posts in this particular forum for years, that if something goes wrong with the shipment before the buyer receives his purchase, the people who come out best in terms of reputation and customer service will go ahead and make it right.
Someone has to eat the cost of such mishaps; if you can establish that a customer can feel confidence when ordering from you in the long run, not only is the customer happy but you will be too because people will have faith in your business and order more from you.
Some business losses are deductible too, check with your accountant.
 
Why is this thread being allowed to continue? The other thread, which was started first, has not gone in Dan's favor so he posts effectively the same accusations here. This is retaliation and a ploy to divert attention away from the fact that Dan has handled this transaction completely wrong. Very shady.

Dan you know what libel is, right? Back up your claim that Luc and Matt have threatened to steal your collection, or you will have a fully legitimate claim against you if they choose to go that route.

Dan Scolaro bad guy
 
Copout...

Dan Scolaro said:
Wrong OriginReptiles, the fedex worker accidentally mislabled the boxes and shipped them to the wrong addresses. Bottom line is the buyer harassed and threated to get something he was not entitled for and the offer for the skink was retracted.

Dan


Someone" left a phone message? This thread is making you look worse, Dan.

Bottom line is you shipped his Skinks to the wrong address and never made good on the dead Skink.


You blame the FedEx worker, you blame the customer, you blame the Father...seems to ALL of us that you are to blame.

How you can come on here and keep saying that its FedEx's fault is AMAZING to me...its YOUR responsibility to label these boxes or ensure they are labeled correctly by another.

Sad to say, you truly are a BAD GUY in this instance.
 
Naw, this kid has a track record of claiming dead stuff and this post is an appropriate warning to prospective buyers/sellers to avoid such crap if every buy this kid makes includes something he claims dead or thin.

His father hid references to robbery/suffering in his letter to attack me to avoid an assault charge himself. If you think he was mentioning that stuff in defense of his child, then that is fine with me because what matters is how the threat was conveyed by me.

And I never claimed he or anyone was at fault or that the buyer made threats of robbery. The terms were live arrival and he got live arrival and an offer of another skink. He harassed many times for more than what he bargained for and I asked nicely for him to stop this behavior which eventually he did not and it terminated the extended guarantee. Afterward, I told his father I would reconsider the free skink later when I got them from the breeder, and despite that reconsideration, they started a nasty and lying thread, so its par for the course for their behavior.

Sellers/buyers should not be bullied, plain and simple.

I mean look at one of the several emails below that people I don't even know sent me on this buyer.

Dan


Dan,

I was just reading over the thread on the BOI, I've got no dog in this hunt but you may want to point out to everyone that this kid purchased some geckos from JMG reptile

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110125

what do ya know ?! Some of those died and were replaced by JMG !!

Behold, this kid puts them right back up for sale here http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=31&de=583159

I've been in this business a long long time........its sounds to me like this kid orders stuff, claims it dies or doesnt know how to take care of the stuff and it dies....then wants replacments.

You may want to ask around or make a posting to see if this kid has done the same thing with other sellers/breeders out there.


Anyways.........dont bring my name up as I have no beef in this, but I wanted to point that out to you.
 
"Half or most of the terms of other reptile companies say they are not responsible for shipper delays and errors but at least I offered to replace any skinks that might be harmed due to shipper error"

DAN THAT IS YOUR FAULT!!!! HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THAT THROUGH TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!

DAN JEFF IS A "GOOD GUY" WHAT IS UP WITH YOU SAYING THAT I AM BUYING ANIMALS SAYING THEY ARE DEAD AND RESELLING THEM?

I will post some pics of all the eggs and babies I have produced....If that is needed?
its convienent that all your support is by phone???

-Luc Cauthorn
 
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