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m.whitefeather- bad guy

Dr Owens said:
Can I come too? :D

Sure thing Jay.... Old Mikey might just suddenly fall ill and need a doctors help.. You never know the floors could be slippery and he might accidentally fall and recieve massive head trauma.. It is always good to have a doctor around for these sudden life threatening emergencies IMO...... :argue: :kill: :kill:
 
paul neal

hey mike just wanted to say thanks for ####ing me.Can you email me some nice things.One more thing "how much buss. have you had in the last 2 weeks"Hopefully i helped any other people from you.I'm sorry for mike sending some of yall bad email.
 
Paul???

WHY havent you posted that you've filed charges on this guy? Dude your REALLY hindering your case with your procrastination. Do yourself a HUGE favor and do something about this instead of sitting back and "praying" that mike is going to suddenly turn over a new leaf. He's an apple that has gone rotten man. Once they go rotten they almost never go back. Im serious paul, DO something......................
 
I have to second that. Paul you need to start your paperwork and just burn this individual. This isn't a case of somebody making a mistake, this is someone outright stealing because they figure you can't (or won't) do anything about it.


Hey Doc, the timelline for Whitefeathers hearing as come and gone... since you knew about it the first time what were the results since they should be public record.
 
paul neal

Hey mike thats some nerve you and andy have on bob's site.Posting pics of you and him at nerd.He's buying more snakes with my $$.for any of yall wondering whats going on.I'm talking to the police in wis.Next week i'm going to a lawyer!!
 
You really need to talk to his parole officer, that person mye very interested to know what has been going on.
 
Re: paul neal

pnretic said:
Hey mike thats some nerve you and andy have on bob's site.Posting pics of you and him at nerd.He's buying more snakes with my $$.for any of yall wondering whats going on.I'm talking to the police in wis.Next week i'm going to a lawyer!!

Just an FYI, no snakes were purchased by Michael Whitefeather during his recent visit to our facility. Please make sure you have proof of something like that before you go posting your assumptions.


Thank you!

Kara Glasgow - NERD, Inc.
 
small detail

Paul said there was a pic posted of Mike and Andy at NERD, then a period at the end of a sentence. Then he went on to say that Mike is spending his money, but not necessarily AT NERD. Just a small point.

Dave
 
Re: paul neal

pnretic said:
Hey mike thats some nerve you and andy have on bob's site.Posting pics of you and him at nerd.He's buying more snakes with my $$.for any of yall wondering whats going on.I'm talking to the police in wis.Next week i'm going to a lawyer!!

Paul,
Andy is the one posting pictures and he is a Bob Clark member in good standing. Your issue is with Michael Whitefeather, and this matter should have been brought to the police some time ago.

I understand you are out a significant amount of money, and I do sympathize with you. Continuing this course of action will not resolve the situation. You need to seek legal action.

Originally posted by David Reid
Paul said there was a pic posted of Mike and Andy at NERD, then a period at the end of a sentence. Then he went on to say that Mike is spending his money, but not necessarily AT NERD. Just a small point.

No, he was inferring that the trip to NERD was a shopping trip. This matter needs to be presented to the police. While it bothers me that Paul is still going through this issue, it is just as disappointing that others are now needlessly involved.
 
2 things....

Hey guys,

Where did you find this photo on Bob's site? Could you please post a link? I am just curious to know what this whitefeather joker looks like (at least before his next prison boyfriend gets to him).

And Paul, we totally to agree with you. Now, stop your whining. You know what you have to do, so just do it. Update us when you have actually done something to remegdy the situation.

Sincerely,

Gino (Beniquez) In Da Bronx
 
I have gotten several requests for futher info on Mr Whitefeather's (real name: Michael Grunkowski) pending criminal trial. The schedule of events is as follows:

On 7-16-2003 at 2:30 pm is his final pre-trial hearing.

On 8-11-2003 at 8:30 am is jury selection.

On 8-12-2003 at 8:30 am his jury trial will begin.


The charges are as follows:

1) Aggravated Battery Intending Great Bodily Harm - a felony.

2) Use of a Dangerous Weapon - also a felony.

3) Habitual Criminality - secondary to previous prison sentences.


His attorney's name is Dennis E. Burke.

The District Attorney prosecuting Mr Whitefeather is Robert J. Kaiser

The judge presiding over the case is Daniel R. Moeser

The trial will be taking place in room 308 of the Dane County Courthouse. The phone number is 608-266-4377.

Interestingly, Mr Whitefeather's race is legally listed as Caucasian...not Native American or American Indian.

Anyway, that's the current info. I hope that it is what you guys were looking for.
 
Thanks Jay!!!! I have been too busy to keep up with old Mikey. Now all we need to do is see which prison he gets sent to so they can give him a "Proper" warm welcome....:laugh: :dgrin:
 
After nearly 3 hrs of reading.

This may be just a start, I am overwhelmed by this entire thread.

First and most important, I do not know either party whatsoever, I have actually never heard of either one of them.

The first thought I had as to what to post is, WHY AND THE HELL ARE THERE 20+ POSTS STILL UP THAT HAVE NO NAMES?

Mike, its not right to keep his money till you sell the females, even if he WAS going to come and get them.

Jay, since I believe it was you who started pushing about Mikes record, WHY THE HELL IS IT ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS???
And who cares about his upcoming court appearances?

I have read over and over where people will not have any dealings with others on forums due to thier imput, NOT IF THE THREAD WAS STARTED BY THEM OR ABOUT THEM, but just because of thier imput. I may have stepped on a few toes and may continue to lose future business because of the things I say here, but it takes a real loser to bring up a persons past, when it has no bearing on the thread. And I too will not deal with some of the posters in this thread.

Jay, please tell me, If my loved ones or I ever got into trouble, would it make us bad people? I also get a big kick out of you digging up Mikes problems, but claim to know nothing about Bobs.
 
Mr. Whitefeather indian wanna be guy.
What is this?
for fear of being beaten to death by an angry indian wanna be
And this?

I just realized that unless questioned about my posts, I am done with this thread.
It has gone from threats, to losers worried about someone elses past, to race issues, dragging peoples names into it when they are not involved, and many other disturbing turns. I could qoute till im blue in the face, but it is a waste of time.

may continue to lose future business because of the things I say here,
That should say, see why I dont want to deal with others, even if they may want to deal with me? I'm sorry for even getting my foot in this thread, as its a disaster.
 
I just realized that unless questioned about my posts, I am done with this thread.
It has gone from threats, to losers worried about someone elses past, to race issues, dragging peoples names into it when they are not involved, and many other disturbing turns. I could qoute till im blue in the face, but it is a waste of time.
Thought I would chime in one more time here and say the following.

What Mike has done here in steeling money is a crime. What Doctor Owens is making reference to is his history of committing crimes. I don't understand how you are unable to see the correlation or the relevance.

Any comparisons between Bob and Mike are ridiculous. Bob has an established reputation that is decades long. While in the course of business there are going to be a few unhappy customers. What we are talking about with Mr. Whitefeather is not a case of an unhappy customer, it's a crime. Bob has no such criminal record to compare it to so it is easy to see why the comparison is being dismissed by Dr. Owens and the rest of us as a futile attempt to change the spotlight.

Maybe you need to re-read this thread but the facts are clear. Someone had $2000 stolen and someone is hopefully going to file charges.

As far as the rest of the crap being thrown back and forth, I think it is just an emotional release for those who have been wronged and involved in this. The greatest insult that has been dealt to Mr. Whitefeather has been dealt to him by his own dealings and shown forth in his history. He's nothing but a common thug.

-Paul Holsinger
 
What Mike has done here in steeling money is a crime. What Doctor Owens is making reference to is his history of committing crimes. I don't understand how you are unable to see the correlation or the relevance.

What Jay is doing is acting like a knob, you said it yourself, "history of".

So you are the Judge, Jury, and the Jailor, and you see fit to jump on Mike because of his past? It has no bearing on this issue. Everyone has made mistakes of different degrees, and its petty to pull up the past to try and slam the guy.

I still stand firm on my thoughts about some of these posters using a persons past to make him look worse. I know several people on this board and others in this bus. that have loooong records, does it matter to me, HELL NO.


Is Mike in the wrong, YES
Was this handled properly be either party involved, NO
 
Jay, since I believe it was you who started pushing about Mikes record, WHY THE HELL IS IT ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS???
As stated previously, I got involved in this issue because it first surfaced on the BC Forum. I received phone calls and emails asking for advice/input/help concerning the situation. I was also appalled at the dishonestly that Michael was demonstrating and consequently I “entered the fray.”

Maybe the same question should be asked of you…why do you care what transpires here?


And who cares about his upcoming court appearances?
Again, as I previously stated, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Also, Michael stated that he had made mistakes in the past, learned his lesson and had “changed.” The current charges against him show that this is not true. Refuting of lie = relevance.

The reason that I posted the information was because it was requested.


but it takes a real loser to bring up a persons past, when it has no bearing on the thread.
As stated previously (for the third time), there are many of us that believe that past behavior is quite relevant when questioning someone’s honesty and/or ethics. I am sorry that you disagree with this, but if Michael were honest in his dealings his background would have never been called into question.

btw...let's try to stay away from name calling. That sort of thing is usually reserved for children and those of limited intelligence.


Jay, please tell me, If my loved ones or I ever got into trouble, would it make us bad people?
Not at all…people make mistakes all of the time and I am a firm believer in second (and even third…or more) chances. However, as I said before, when someone refuses to learn from their mistakes and continues to display dishonest behavior and rip people off, then yes…it does make them a bad person (at least in my opinion, and I think that society as a whole would agree with this contention).


I also get a big kick out of you digging up Mikes problems, but claim to know nothing about Bobs.
I know very little about the difficulties between Mike Bell and Bob Clark. At least I don’t know enough to discuss it intelligently. How it is even remotely relevant to this topic is lost on me. Neither party is involved in this discussion and for Michael to attempt to drag their names into this was nothing more than a feeble attempt to divert attention from himself.

If you or Michael have such an interest in Mike’s and Bob’s dealings, might I suggest you start a new topic and discuss their issues all you want. Who knows…they might even come join the conversation.


What Jay is doing is acting like a knob
Nowhere in this entire topic have I resorted to name calling. It is unfortunate that you are unable to intelligently discuss your “issue” with this topic without resorting to such juvenile behavior.

I did take the liberty to look up the term "knob" in a slang dictionary. Here is what I found:

"knob: Used to describe someone of low social standing or someone of limited intelligence."

Based on this definition, the term "knob" is highly inaccurate when describing me. If you would like to continue to stoop to the level of name calling, then might I suggest you at least be accurate in the names that you choose to "sling around."


So you are the Judge, Jury, and the Jailor, and you see fit to jump on Mike because of his past? It has no bearing on this issue. Everyone has made mistakes of different degrees, and its petty to pull up the past to try and slam the guy.
No one has claimed such titles. However, the purpose of the BOI is to expose dishonest people within this hobby. Hence the discussion about Michael.

As far as Michael’s past bearing on this issue, please read above.

Please allow me to reiterate a previous statement…if someone makes mistakes in the past and recognizes this fact and then changes their behavior, their past is of little consequence (at least in my book…however, most law enforcement agencies and professional licensing boards, etc. would disagree). As stated several times, when a person continually displays unlawful behavior over and over again, then their past is quite relevant as a predictor of their future behavior.


I know several people on this board and others in this bus. that have loooong records, does it matter to me, HELL NO.
If they are honest, ethical and fair in their business dealings, then I couldn’t agree with you more. I think that we pretty much agree on this one. ;)


Is Mike in the wrong, YES
At last! We are finally in complete agreement on something! :D
 
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