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m.whitefeather- bad guy

Come-on, it's been going on for weeks. The guy is using delay tactics and he's already made his intentions clear. You don't just sit around and wait for him to change his mind, you've got to give him a reason to. Infact the longer you wait the more you hurt your case. If a guy breaks into a store and steels $2000 and you wait a couple of days to report it, people will wonder why. This is no different, the guy is saying he won't return the money when asked. That's theft, he should report it. Just my opinion but I don't think it's unrealistic.

-Paul Holsinger
 
Michael, will you return his $2000 dollars within the next week since you have his address now? I haven't said one negative word toward you during this whole mess so please don't take this question as an attack.


His address is...

Paul Neal
144 Georgetown Dr.
Kenner, La 70065
 
I'd be a mental midget if I believed anything you have said Whitefeather.


This actually very simple. This thread was started by someone who felt they had been unable to make contact with you and get either their rermaining $2000 or two animals. You shipped one and it seems Paul was surprised the other two didn't arrive.

That all aside, all the other diversions too.

Paul has said quite clearly what he wants from the beginning, he wants his money refunded.

Things you have said , such as not having his address after sending one already, as well as other statements too numerous to just list here, show that you are stalling and trying to twist things.

Your background has no interest to me in this, what the issue is, and you can't twist it, is that Paul has stated numerous times he wants you to refund his money and do it in writing here on this forum. You replied you would after you sell those two snakes, that is illegal and hence I and others are still on your back.

Did you spend money that was not yours? Are you just being stubborn? Are ryou actually trying to rip somebody off?

I honestly, in a respectful way, say to you that I don't know which it is but whether or not you just say, here on this board, that you will send Paul his $2000 by certified mail now, this will determine what kind of businessman you are.

It is that simple.


Ralph Chapman
 
More lies from Todd, the fake name, Spinosa. Why did you need to make up a screen name and use different names in both the profile and the registration? You have obviously lied when you said that it was somebody else using your computer. Why would they use a new screen name with two names behind it, instead of one? Just lies.

So Todd denied emailing me that he got what he wanted and did not have any use for this thread any more and then did not post again until I mentioned his name.

Exact words from his email, tell me I am not right Todd
"I'm done with all this as I resolved what I needed to get done..."
What does that mean then?

Wow Todd I was way out of line. Keep up the lying. When you tell people what transpired via email and threaten me with it, does that make you feel like a big boy? Well surprise. You have no power over me. I will gladly tell everybody. It's just too bad that I can't post my emails here as I used some pretty choice words.

Todd out of the blue in his post on this thread mentioned, under a fake screen name that he invented just to cause problems here, that I may be involved in helping Mike to steal money from him and Paul. I then emailed him pretty much the same thing that I posted back in the thread, that I would take action against him if he posted lies about me. Simple. He then responded with two emails and got quite personal in both. I responded with some choice words as I feel he is a liar and a coward. That is my opinion. There is nothing that I lied about Todd. So go ahead and post my emails. Ritchie will have to delete the parts where I called you a whiny little bit*h and such. Evan Stahl
 
Evan,

I agree with you 100% on the Todd issue, using a B.S. name just puts your rep. in toliet.


However this thread needs to stay focused since the original thread starter is trying to get back a chunk of money. Let's keep in on track.....


Todd's rep is over on this thread and most likely any others he gets into, let's leave it at that if we can?


My .02, just hate seeing all the diversions, this thread was what the BOI is for after all.


Ralph Chapman
 
Ralph, you are absolutely right and was totally in line with that point of view until I let him take away the focus yet again with his selfish antics. This has always been about Mike and Paul. There is really nothing that anyone has to add to this thread anymore though until something happens between those two. Paul, it would be a good idea to stop attacking some 20 pages later now and see if Mike refunds your money. You keep getting support here and then make things worse. Just relax and see what happens. Evan Stahl
 
UMMMM...WHY IS THIS SO COMPLICATED??

Mr. Whitefeather, I have two kids 19 months apart which makes me qualified to comment. Put the baby in the car seat, drive to the post office, pick up car seat and take it into the P.O. w/ you, purchase a $2000 money order, purchase a certified mail envelope (deduct the $2 bucks if you must), place the money order in the envelope, address the envelope (address has been posted, and nobodys buying that whole I don't know his address line anyway), hand it to the clerk, pick the kid back up, return to your car and be done with this.

It's really not that complicated.

P.S. I agree Dan Atkinson is the world's biggest Ass-clown!
 
Andy said:
Jay,

Before Paul even got the albino shipped from Michael he was planning on going there. (I know this because Paul told me on the phone himself) The "excuse" about the crates doesnt seem like an excuse to me, considering that if they were going to be picked up they would have to be transported in something, would they not? You just cant let 120 lb retics free roam in a car. At least I wouldnt.

Andy,
Please go back and re-read this thread. This is not the message that was originally communicated by anyone involved.

Seriously man...it has become painfully obvious that you are for some reason emotionally involved in this situation. Just sit back and let Michael make things right between him and Paul. If that happens, then this is over.


Michael has tried to make things right and has gotten nothing but attacked. I really have a hard time believing that someone of your inteligence cant see that Paul has probably been the worst customer of all time. Even when Michael said things would be made right he was attacked. Just reading about these things has gotten me fed up with him and I really dont have much to do with this situation. I cant imagine trying to work out a deal with someone like this.

I agree that Paul is handling this rather poorly. However, he felt that he was being ripped off and is consequently quite upset. As has been stated previously, customer service is up to the seller. However, there is something to be said for being a good customer as well. It seems to me that Michael didn't have a problem with Paul when he accepted his money...the problems have arisen when he didn't send the snakes to Paul in a timely manner or refund his money. Let's remember that this is the whole point of this thread.

btw...since you chose to bring up intelligence as a factor in understanding this situation...how is it that you are the only one that is interpreting these events as if Michael is right and everyone else is wrong? I just don't understand how you could think that if you have actually read this whole thread. Seriously...


Michael has only brought up things about Bob and others after they have tried to bring things up about him and ruin his credibility. When you back something in a corner you have to expect it to fight back. This is what I see happening here. Everything has two sides and I am sad to say that many people are only seeing one side of this story. It appears that it is everyone against Michael here, and its not right.

What did Bob bring up about Michael? Have you even been reading??? Bob hasn't even posted! Michael attacked Bob simply in an effort to try to divert attention from himself. It was a weak minded and childish ploy to change the subject.

You say that it should be expected that Michael would fight back? Then why is he attacking someone that isn't even involved in this discussion? Why doesn't he just do the right thing and drop a check in the mail? Remember that the solution to this problem is almost overly simple.

You are almost correct about one thing...and that is that every story has two sides. Personally, I believe that every story has 3 sides...in this case it's 1) Paul's version, 2) Michael's version, and 3) The Truth. Two of these 3 sides have been presented here. It is up to everyone else to decide for themselves what they believe the third side is...and whose story most closely matches it. The bottom line is that people are reading this thread and deciding that Michael is not only in the wrong, but full of excuses and thus far unable to simply do the right thing and resolve the situation. Michael has said that he would send Paul a check if Paul posted his address. Paul has done so, and now it's up to Michael to come through and finish this mess.


As I said when I first started posting I said I dont want to get into the middle of this and be flamed, It appears that I landed myself smack down in the middle. But Im at a loss for why all of the flaming has continued coming Michaels way when he said that he would refund the money. Last time he said that Todd recieved his money. Why not wait and see what will happen rather then taking more shots at Michael.

I think that a better question might be to ask Michael why he started attacking other people rather than just simply
 
Opps!

Opps! Sorry! I hit the wrong button! :crap:

I think that a better question might be to ask Michael why he started attacking other people rather than just simply going to the bank and getting a cashiers check to send to Paul. Bear in mind that this all started on Thursday afternoon. It could easily have been over by Friday afternoon if Michael had just done the right thing.
 
Seriously man...it has become painfully obvious that you are for some reason emotionally involved in this situation. Just sit back and let Michael make things right between him and Paul. If that happens, then this is over.


After reading your email last night I was going to do that very thing Jay. Just sit back and watch. But since you have directed numerous questions to me right now, I feel obligated to answer.


I agree that Paul is handling this rather poorly. However, he felt that he was being ripped off and is consequently quite upset.

Rather poorly??? Michael said that they wanted to have the transaction done by the first week of June. That is something that can be verified by both parties in this thread. Paul didn't hear from Michael for a week. So he decided to go on Bob's forum and say

hey mike have you scammed anybody else lately!!!!are you and andy a couple.who's the the girl in the relationship.one more thing mike i meet up with you at daytona.i know how you look good old buddy.ya prick

This is what happens if your not in contact with someone for a week, and there is still two weeks plus before the deal is suppose to close by???

Michael says that he just wants to be done with the situation and that he will refund the money even though Paul is the one breaking the deal. Then Paul feels the need to attack him again with his Bobby Bouche rantings????


btw...since you chose to bring up intelligence as a factor in understanding this situation...how is it that you are the only one that is interpreting these events as if Michael is right and everyone else is wrong? I just don't understand how you could think that if you have actually read this whole thread. Seriously...

Trust me Jay I have read this whole thread. But I seem to be the only one hear that talked to Paul on the phone and heard him say with my own ears that "he wanted to pick the animals up and see Michaels stuff"

I think Todd has shown himself to be dishonest.

I think Paul has shown himself to be dishonest.

Everyone here THINKS that Michael is dishonest.

When have I shown myself to be dishonest?? Because I am sticking up for someone that people BELIEVE to be dishonest everyone thinks that I am as well? I have met Michael and I trust Michael.

But thanks for questioning my intelligence Jay. I may not have a double Ph D but that does not mean that I am incapable of reading, listening, and comprehending a chain of events.

What did Bob bring up about Michael? Have you even been reading??? Bob hasn't even posted!

Bob allowed an email that he sent to someone else to be posted here. Thus bringing himself into the situation.

You say that it should be expected that Michael would fight back? Then why is he attacking someone that isn't even involved in this discussion?

Because he IS involved in this discussion due to him allowing his email to be posted. Bob was brought up by others (Todd) way before Michael even first posted here.

You are almost correct about one thing...and that is that every story has two sides. Personally, I believe that every story has 3 sides...in this case it's 1) Paul's version, 2) Michael's version, and 3) The Truth. Two of these 3 sides have been presented here.

I find it funny that if this is what you truely believe you are so quick to nail the stakes into Michaels hands. You think that you havent even heard the true story but yet you have no problem bashing Michael.

I want this situation over as much as the next guy. Not much more can come out of this thread other then enemies and grudges........two things I want nothing to do with.
 
Doc Owens......... quite nicely put I'll say. So much in fact I really can't add to it other than it seems Whitefeather hasn't decided to reply. Is he posting on the Clark forums?




Ralph Chapman
 
Andy,

You wrote: "Everyone here THINKS that Michael is dishonest."

Fair enough. I think your assessment is probably correct. However, you have stated that you trust Michael. So, let me ask you, is "Whitefeather" his real last name? If so, why do so many here say that they have proof that it isn't?

If "Whitefeather" is NOT his real last name, how can you say that he is not being dishonest every single time he uses it? Why is he using an alias? Why is he rejecting the explicit rules of the BOI, which require us all to use real first and last names on each and every post?

I think Michael is dishonest, because the evidence says that he is. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about a lot of things he is accused of doing, but even if I do, all it means to me is that he is a poor businessman that lies about his name and cannot be trusted to fully identify himself on public forums! Do you really think that this is a ringing endorsement for his credibility?!?!?!?

Since you know him, tell Michael to send Paul his money back! If Michael is half as trustworthy as you suggest, Paul should have his $2000 tomorrow via overnight express mail! We'll see what actually happens, I guess.
 
The Dark Grove said:
Doc Owens......... quite nicely put I'll say. So much in fact I really can't add to it other than it seems Whitefeather hasn't decided to reply. Is he posting on the Clark forums?

He did last night...I wasn't sure sure whether to laugh at the post or feel sorry for him.
 
Andy,
Michael's reputation is what he has made it...period.

One of the best ways to predict someone's future behavior is to look at their past behavior. Some of us have taken a look at much of Michael's past behavior and I think that it's safe to say that it's less than "respectable." If you'd like to see the records from some of that behavior, then I can post it for you. If you don't care about that, then just give it a freaking rest already. We'll see what Michael does soon enough.
 
Michael says that he just wants to be done with the situation and that he will refund the money even though Paul is the one breaking the deal. Then Paul feels the need to attack him again with his Bobby Bouche rantings????

No actually he didn't say that. He said he would refund the money when he sells the snakes. That should be amended to "if" he sells the snakes. And considering what other people have said about Michael making good on paying debts, you are the only person here naive enough to think that this will actually happen. If Michael intends on returning Paul’s money there's no reason he shouldn't have done it already. Paul made his desires clear days if not weeks ago, and Michael has never had a reason not to comply. I mean other then he wants a quick and easy 2k.

Come-on, all that's happened here is two grand went one way in the mail and it's owner wants it to go another way. Is that really so hard to understand?

Michael is currently sitting at home with nothin' but 2 grand, a bucket load of lame excuses, and a smile on his face. I'd prefer to see him in a cell. Someone needs to file a report.

Can you say, "mail fraud"?

-Paul Holsinger
 
I just checked the Bob Clark forum with the link provided by Doc , Whitefeather (he has a few names) is doing the same thing over there he has here which is trying to divert the attention elsewhere. According to some of those posts he is on probation (?). If He decides he doesn't want to refund the $2000 immediately I'd say Paul might as well start the legal process. Just having those charges brought against him will get his probation officer's attention. All somebody has to do is check public records and find out who the officer assigned to him is and contact him/her regarding this incident, that is if Whitefeather doesn't fix this and fix it now.

Ralph Chapman
 
Andy,
Perhaps since the trust is there so much, you can lend Whitefeather the $2000.00 and he could pay you back.:D
 
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