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Make The Hammack Fund permanent.

UGH...I feel like banging my head into a brick wall too...the thread was FINE for about 5 pages after my few posts to ease some tension but of course tension has risen again...c'mon people once again..agree to disagree!

Thanks...lol
 
Boy do I love fresh from the oven home made chocolate chip cookies.....
 
wilomn said:
Golden Gate Geckos said:
She also told me that she was made aware of what is really going on between Webslave and Chris. Kelli asked me to tell the truth... now I'm just going to have to figure out a way to do that!


I would begin by starting.

Perhaps a new thread in Gen. Bus. or Sound Off.

Waiting......

Well this has got me baffled. Where did that original quote from Marcia come from? I can't find it anywhere in a post on this site.

What this refers to is a private communication between Chris and I concerning "appearances". Marcia, how did you come about getting this private communication and why bring it up when we are trying to get this crap settled down? Who was it in another thread related to this crap that was aghast at another person possibly posting a private message (which was wrongly assumed) and yet someone obviously has been passing around a private message and quite likely the recipients are passing it further along? Where is the indignation over that breach of etiquette, hmmm?

Secondly, to address this question:

Golden Gate Geckos said:
What happened to the HAYDEN banner here on Fauna? I have it on my website, and have seen it on almost every website I frequent. I don’t see it on Fauna anymore. How come? I just got off the phone with Kelli, and had to choke back tears hearing her say how good it made her feel to see it here on Fauna, but wondering where it went.

When Chris was banned, I offered to refund his Endowment level membership fee prorated to date. I said nothing at all about his advertising banners. That is shown earlier in this thread and there was no other correspondence to him from me concerning it. Chris requested the refund of his remaining advertising funds, of which that linked banner ad to his site was tied. And I did as he had requested, so his banner ad ended. His account on FaunaAds had not been closed, by my choice, so apparently he chose to restart that banner ad.

Again, why bring this up in a public posting rather then asking myself or Chris privately about it? What would have been the reasonable and prudent way for someone to inquire about this and not get the crap all stirred up again? Getting withdrawal from not having enough drama here most of the day? So tell me, who is stirring the pot now?

Chris and I have been passing cordial emails back and forth recently, trying to resolve this situation. You can come to your own determination as to who this applies to, but I thank you very much for driving the wedge back into place. Perhaps Chris thanks you too..
 
Dennis Hultman said:
I sincerely apologize to the Hammack’s for titling this thread with their name.

Dennis, it is certainly not your fault. How could you have known it would take on a life of it's own? Apparently some people are hell bent to keep on fanning the flames.

Wanna bet I wouldn't catch flak from someone for locking it? Wanna bet I won't catch flak from someone for NOT locking it?
 
WebSlave said:
Dennis, it is certainly not your fault. How could you have known it would take on a life of it's own? Apparently some people are hell bent to keep on fanning the flames.

Wanna bet I wouldn't catch flak from someone for locking it? Wanna bet I won't catch flak from someone for NOT locking it?

Damned if you do and damned if you don't. :bandhead0
 
I feel like I am watching the Spanish TV soap operas. You know SOMETHING is going on, but even after watching for an hour, its not apparent just WHAT you have seen.

Ay Dios Mio!!

Regardless, this thread probably should be locked or at the least toned down by the participants. Sasheena is right. We should put things aside for a second and remember what the Hammack's have gone through. I apologize for my earlier attempts to stir the pot. It is completely unimportant what has happened between Rich and Chris. It is over. While I still have my opinions on the subject, it will have to either be worked out between them or not.
 
WebSlave said:
Chris and I have been passing cordial emails back and forth recently, trying to resolve this situation. You can come to your own determination as to who this applies to, but I thank you very much for driving the wedge back into place. Perhaps Chris thanks you too..
Rich,

This sounded too good to be true until the last sentence. Was that really necessary to throw in? You know he is reading this stuff and whatever "good" has been accomplished will be lost with that kind of thing.
:bandhead0 :bandhead0
 
At this point I don't know if this is considered :>off_to<: in this thread or not (I've been reading so long my coffee is cold!), but here is my opinion if it will help:

The fund can remain open permanently and people in need can contact a person or group that is tasked with evaluating requests and determining available appropriate disbursements. I am on a few registered non-profit groups and we operate funds on each of them similarly. Some are for educational expenses for the children in our county, some are for emergency needs (food / heat / car repairs) and some are actually holiday funds for families with children who are going to have to put Christmas on "hold" due to finances.

Rich, if you decide to make the fund permanent, I'd be happy to give you input on how to structure it so that it would be LESS complicated.
 
Once again Ms Terese is a voice of reason in a cess pool of insanity. Thank you.
 
Jim O said:
Rich,

This sounded too good to be true until the last sentence. Was that really necessary to throw in? You know he is reading this stuff and whatever "good" has been accomplished will be lost with that kind of thing.
:bandhead0 :bandhead0

Jim, that last sentence you refer to is Perhaps Chris thanks you too...

Perhaps you took it differently from how it was intended, but I thought it would be obvious that Chris was indicating to me that he would like to be reinstated on this site. Otherwise why would there even be correspondence between us? I was being facetious about MY thanking the party in question with stirring the pot some more, and the remark about Chris's thanking that party also was equally facetious.

I was NOT being facetious about that wedge, however.
 
OK Rich. I apologize. I thought it was a dig at Chris and that he would have been happy about it.
 
wow is all I can say, Ive been busy today and not able to really read many post, sure wish I had been too busy all day to read :(
 
Well back to the original topic of this thread.

Sorry, but no. I don't think that is going to happen at all after this.
 
WebSlave said:
Well back to the original topic of this thread.

Sorry, but no. I don't think that is going to happen at all after this.

I don't blame you!

:hot: too bad the fund has to end due to petty arguments, it was a nice area for people to show their support for fauna and recently to try to help a member by making donations.
 
snakewrangler89 said:
See...thats what i'm talking about. I try to do something to help this thread out and what happens...another smart remark...I don't know what to do. Its like I try to fix things and i've been rattled all night about them (currently 5:48) I mean I apologize and remove my sig?? What am I supposed to do bow down and kiss your feet? I liked the old fauna where people could congregate and talk about animals and ask questions but now its a huge flame war...
Matt You need to understand That you have a habit of pissing people off.....Then when backed against the wall you Come back with I'm sorry I was being an Arse I dealt with this first Hand Remember.....???????????????? Bow down kiss his Feet no maybe show him the respect that he deserves Theres a thought :>poke2<: And yes I will agree in the past week or so this site has become a GIANT pissing contest.....
 
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Jim O said:
Then you know there's something in the water (promounced waw-ta) in NY. That's what makes NY bagels taste the way they do.

And you can't say "y'all" either. LOL.
Ok Jim it is pronouned Waw-Da :raspberry
 
Well back to the original topic of this thread.

Sorry, but no. I don't think that is going to happen at all after this.
Rich, I hope that you give yourself a little time and space to think about this before making that final determination.

I'm not "in the loop" on all that's happened with the Hayden Fund, and Chris, and whatever else, so I don't know where those situations stand.

However, from the length of time I've been involved in this community, I will stand behind the firm belief that if there is an indication that Rich was concerned about exposure and site traffic during this effort to assist Kelli & Steve, then miscommunication and/or misinterpretation is the cause of that indication. Rich is not flawless (unlike the rest of us :rofl: ), but he has proven many times over that he is a kind and generous soul.

My wish for all of the people that have, over the last several days, had their feelings hurt, felt disillusioned, mistreated, taken advantage of, unappreciated, or betrayed are suddenly struck with the notion to leave their keyboard, enjoy their weekend, and revisit these issues in a few days. Maybe Wal-Mart will have some perspective on clearance this weekend, and we can all pick up some new fresh ones!
 
Clearwater_Reptiles said:
Matt You need to understand That you have a habit of pissing people off.....

LMAO Bill...haha what can I say...
Then when backed against the wall you Come back with I'm sorry I was being an Arse I dealt with this first Hand Remember.....????????????????

Bill, I really don't feel like i wasbacked against the wall in either situation...I could have left my signature just as easy as I could have deleted it. I thought about what was going on and figured the best thing to do was to take it off. If one signature can cause that much controversy why leave it ya know?

Bow down kiss his Feet no maybe show him the respect that he deserves Theres a thought :>poke2<:

Yeah Rich does deserve respect for all hes put up with here on fauna. After realizing that the signature should come off I took it off and saved rich the trouble of making it dissapear for me... :eatsmiley ...lol that symbolizes Rich removing the signature. I apologized to Rich for any disrespect that was shown towards him and we seem to be fine now.

And yes I will agree in the past week or so this site has become a GIANT pissing contest.....[/QUOTE]

Yay!! Bill agreed with me!! Ha okay...sorry for the offtopic post again. I was just replying back.

The Hammack fund situation is a sticky one. Hm Leave it open, Close it, or let it rest dormant until it is needed again to help with someone in a tragic situation? All 3 make sense depending on the way you look at it. This is going to be a hard decision to make and whichever one is made people are going to disagree.If we are going to debate over it though...debate nicely. No names and blah blah just respect everyone's opinion so this doesn't turn into another flame war. Well, Thanks everyone. Time to go to bed.

Matt Manry
 
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