Man Arrested For Alleged Sexual Assault Of 2-Year-Old

[Dennis Hultman]

but I am opposed to capital punishment, period. And clearly anything else that involves physical suffering.(

I strongly disagree with this statement. In our strive for a more just and civilized society we no longer have individual victims of crime. Instead we have crimes against society as a whole. In doing such we have minimized individual victims. They become victims over and over again.

Let me take a step backwards. When horrific crimes that are committed that aren't disputed by the accused but rather rationalized by attorneys for lighter consequences the victims are forced to be victims repeatedly by the court system.

When I type this I think of that poor Doctor that was tortured. Who watched is wife raped and butchered. His two young daughters raped and tied to their beds and burned alive.

No dispute as to who did it, after all they were caught at the scene and admit it. Their defense, its law enforcements fault because they could have stopped us before we finished and they didn't.

You know we are such a civilized society, so we make this husband/father sit in court day after day to prove the crimes that are already not in dispute but to lessen the atonement of those that committed the crime. What about the torture of the victim to have to comply with this? Times two and probably many years of appeal and human rights groups trying to spare their lives.

We as a society can moan and howl how horrible the crime but it is that father who is the victim left standing. It is he that should not be tortured by the courts.
We are so concerned about being compassionate to all that we have to spread that physical suffering around.

No, in a JUST world we wouldn't put that man in hell everyday for years. Having to relive those terrible, terrible moments.

Justice should be swift in cases like this. It's the Father/Husband that is the only living victim not society. If he wanted to take them out back and tie them to a stake and burn them to HELL, I would gladly hand him the match and look the other way.

Look at them! Then tell me again there should be no death penalty.
Do you need to see what their father witnessed? Would those pictures change peoples mind? We weren't the victim. But what if you were? I would want them dead, dead, dead! And who has a right to state that I'm not entitled to their suffering for my own.

Only those that will the power of a overly thinking compassionate society that believes my natural rights as a human being takes a backseat to the whims of those in control. Those that believe in the death penalty and those who don't. Neither were the victim. The individual is and that always seems to escape those pondering the rights and wrongs of anything.

 

[millipede]

Justice should be swift in cases like this. It's the Father/Husband that is the only living victim not society. If he wanted to take them out back and tie them to a stake and burn them to HELL, I would gladly hand him the match and look the other way.

Look at them! Then tell me again there should be no death penalty.
Do you need to see what their father witnessed? Would those pictures change peoples mind? We weren't the victim. But what if you were? I would want them dead, dead, dead! And who has a right to state that I'm not entitled to their suffering for my own.

I don't know if this is directed at me since I'm not against the death penalty but torture, but you made several points, and the only thing I'm thinking is that if I were a victim of such a situation, I probably wouldn't want to live myself. I highly doubt torturing a crazed person would bring me any consolation, I would want my family members back, and unharmed. Anger doesn't resolve the immense sadness, it's not as though many people who suffer from tragedies that aren't human caused don't have to deal with the same crippling feelings and suffering. I still can't see how that justifies the torture of someone who is not able to choose to abide by morality. I would support dispatching an animal that caused human deaths but certainly not harming it, and that's easy enough to agree with.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I probably wouldn't want to live myself

Neither would I. Wanting to live that is. I wouldn't. And I don't know if I could ever torture someone either. But, I have never had my family butchered in front of my eyes. No, I wasn't justifying torture more so the fact that we theorize that it is not consoling to the victim having those desires and being able to act upon them. Much like the statement that I was
addressing from people stating they are completely against capitol punishment. They use the same logic in your entire post to try and support their position of no, zero, capital punishment. It does nothing to help the victim is their argument too.

I'm not stating being vengeful is healthy or will replace what you have lost. I don't think anyone would state that, but it most certainly is natural.

Seems real cold, the part my post you quoted. Handing a match and then turning away. I know, but then I look at the case I'm referencing.

That beautiful child, 11 years old was tied to a bed and raped and photographed. She was then covered in gasoline alive and set on fire. Her seventeen year old sister was tied to a bed also. The mother was raped strangled then burned. The father was beaten with a baseball bat and the whole house set a blaze.

One survived. This wasn't your family or mine but it just as well could have been. When most speak out against capital punishment they have the luxury to do so with no immediate connections to the victims. Some yes (they must be much better souls than I) but most, no.


As a father, nothing but death would be desired for those involved if it were me. I would probable not want to live either. I would go farther and state no person has the right to deny me that equally justice. As far as I'm concerned there are natural laws and rights that trump man-made law that a current "society" places. I really don't care what society thinks. If that makes me some kind of barbarian so be it.

In this case one has been sentence so far to the painless process of lethal injection. Justice is served for one. Yeah right. Well, maybe one has been sentence now but lets see if that doesn't change until the execution.

I know as father, I wouldn't think it so fair to my daughters. I know I'm not enlightened nor educated as much as these brilliant people that dive into the minds of these poor souls that were neglected by the community, so somehow it's our fault that they did what they did. We reason and sympathize and make excuses after excuse. No, I'm to much of a neanderthal to think we are better off taking them out back and putting a bullet in their head. This would be a one day trial. Not weeks, months, years.

As callous as it may seem, I think it more JUST than what we subject victims to today.

But I know, I'll sleep better knowing that we as a people have come so far that we quietly and humanly put down this animal. While young girls screamed in agony under his hands.

Nope, I take it back. If it were me (my family) I would torture them and gladly burn in hell for it.

 

[millipede]

As callous as it may seem, I think it more JUST than what we subject victims to today.

Who's shoes would you rather be in? I say what I say for any person, it could have been you or someone you know. The reason we have any morality is so that cruelty won't come back to us. I just want the comfort knowing that if you me or anyone else were insane and incapable of rationalizing that we wouldn't be subjected to torture but would just be put out of that life. We should be thankful we aren't traumatized to the point of being that disturbed. Too many people use emotional rationale to decide what is right and some may agree with it, and others don't; this can vary from something seemingly justifiable to a flat out crime. There is simply no black and white way to view these situations in which some are easier to identify with than others. You also wouldn't want that coming back to you.
This isn't about what society thinks, I think a healthy portion would agree with you actually. But mentioning natural law, in the end we're all just victims of the atrocities that nature places on us, being animals of too much capability, and I just operate by not looking to increase our man made atrocities (torture). I wouldn't wish that husband's mental suffering on anyone, and if he were to ever be traumatized to the point that it resulted in a crime, I certainly would think his situation is relevant. It's a depressing topic.

 

[zzzdanz]

The Husband/Father of that family should be asked by a judge what punishment he would like to see those maggots get.And if he wants to be the one to hand down that punishment himself , so be it.

Are you trying to say that the men who did that were traumatized somehow in life to reach a mental state to do this?

 

[SamanthaJane13]

Here's a link to info on the Petit family home invasion and murders. With time lines, etc. Lots of discussion between the members. but several very good articles in between.


http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?299117-Petit-Family-Murders-Connecticut

I believe that one of the men said he wanted the whole episode to be the most grisly on the books.

For that ALONE he deserves the death penalty.

 

[millipede]

Are you trying to say that the men who did that were traumatized somehow in life to reach a mental state to do this?

One common cause of many mental disorders including insanity is child abuse, yes. It doesn't have to be, but it's often a combination of abuse and genetics I guess.