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Bad Guy Manny Frade of Prefect Predators

NeoReptiliac said:
As a photographer I can say that lighting, cameras and temps have a lot to do with how a snake looks in a photo. You cant honestly say that just cause a snake's orange shows up more in one pic then the other means that its photoshopped.
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What I feel like one can honestly say about the situation is that it shows a disregard for accurately representing a major selling point: color intensity. In this thread alone, we have two examples of PP sending out a snake that wasn't nearly as attractive as the photos made it appear. I'm not so sure that the misrepresentations amount to honest mistakes, but either way, the onus is on the seller to provide pictures that realistically display a given animal's coloration. An ad shouldn't be a "Glamour Shots" photo session. It should do its best to depict exactly what you're going to receive if you purchase the listed animal.
 
What you fail to realize however, is that an animal's appearance can change depending on the lighting in a room and how its cared for. Especially when it comes to reptiles. Warm lighting with warm colors in the background can make anything's colors saturate. If a white light (natural lighting) which usually gives off a blue color is used, on dull gray backgrounds then the object's color will look duller. As far as how a snake's color actually changing.. stress, age and ambient temps can actually make a reptile's colors dull and change. If you don't understand it now after all that explaining I've just done then you'll never get it.
 
NeoReptiliac said:
As a photographer I can say that lighting, cameras and temps have a lot to do with how a snake looks in a photo. You cant honestly say that just cause a snake's orange shows up more in one pic then the other means that its photoshopped.
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Based on what I've seen, I've come to the conclusion that he likely uses a type of light that is orange or reddish in color, which causes both the snakes and the background to appear tinted.

Regardless of the methods he is using, it's still dishonest. As Dan said, these shouldn't be glamour shots, they should be accurate representations of the animals he is selling.
 
Well from your point of view you may feel mislead, however if this is how he sees the snakes as every day, then to him this is how they look. Its not like he's looking at them in someone else's lighting. He runs a business with thousands of snakes that he must care for every single day. Taking a photo of a snake in its tub is hardly considered glamour shots. Its just pulling out the tub and taking the photo.
 
NeoReptiliac said:
What you fail to realize however, is that an animal's appearance can change depending on the lighting in a room and how its cared for. Especially when it comes to reptiles. Warm lighting with warm colors in the background can make anything's colors saturate. If a white light (natural lighting) which usually gives off a blue color is used, on dull gray backgrounds then the object's color will look duller. As far as how a snake's color actually changing.. stress, age and ambient temps can actually make a reptile's colors dull and change. If you don't understand it now after all that explaining I've just done then you'll never get it.
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What YOU seem incapable of understanding is that regardless of the method, these photographs are not honest representations of the animals he is selling. Saying that he's only in the wrong if he uses photoshop is absolutely ridiculous.
 
meowmeowkazoo said:
What YOU seem incapable of understanding is that regardless of the method, these photographs are not honest representations of the animals he is selling. Saying that he's only in the wrong if he uses photoshop is absolutely ridiculous.
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It is what it is, if it goes over your head that's not my problem. I can only explain, I cant make you understand.
 
NeoReptiliac said:
It is what it is, if it goes over your head that's not my problem. I can only explain, I cant make you understand.
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I'm sorry, what's going over my head?

Manny just can't help what conditions he's photographing his animals in?

It's not his fault that the photographs appear so much more vivid than the actual animals?

Forgive me, I had no idea that cameras were still considered a supernatural phenomenon that mere mortals have no chance of understanding nor controlling. :rolleyes:
 
NeoReptiliac said:
If you don't understand it now after all that explaining I've just done then you'll never get it.
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Yeah, it's just amazing that manny is the only one who can seem to get their colors to really pop out. He must be the only one properly keeping the boas. I'm sure it has nothing to do with a preset Photoshop profile that was previously pointed out in this thread. Also sure it has nothing to do with the fact that it financially benefits him to have the colors appear exceptionally bright. :rolleyes: If you don't understand how misleading photographs amount to dishonest misrepresentation, even after all this explaining that several have done, then you simply don't want to get "get it".
 
How come the ads never end up with the drab snakes, which are actually astoundingly colorful when the box is opened after delivery? It seems as if it is always the other way around....
 
Lucille said:
How come the ads never end up with the drab snakes, which are actually astoundingly colorful when the box is opened after delivery? It seems as if it is always the other way around....
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I know, what a coincidence. Manny must just have extraordinary luck with all of his photographs.
 
I heard that when Mike confronted Manny about his purchase Manny blocked him from contacting him lol a few days before I posted this boi I tagged Manny in a status on my facebook wall..Mike saw it and commented talking crap. Manny immediately pmed me to discusss my status (which I was very polite and positive about) so I assumed he was about to ask me to delete Mike comments. I said Im sorry I have nothing to do with what Mike posted and Manny proceeded with telling me he had no idea who mike was..

^^^ all in last bit of the emails posted btw


to the cost of a squaretail questions. Adult sqauretails of his quality are in 4 figures In the past year ive seen a few posted at 2-3k. (as Diem pointed out too) Manny has "het" sqauretails on his site posted at 875.... the point though for me never was how much my snake was worth it was how much the babies he would produce would be worth. what an average litter of 20 babies @ 2-5k a piece with the females he was putting him on.....That's what my point was


and btw..My boa is being shipped to me tomorrow :D
 
meowmeowkazoo said:
What YOU seem incapable of understanding is that regardless of the method, these photographs are not honest representations of the animals he is selling. Saying that he's only in the wrong if he uses photoshop is absolutely ridiculous.
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Actually a lot of times I get photos that will come out with that incorrect orangish hue, and I DO run them through photoshop, to remove it! :D

Honestly I look at that photo on the right and I can instantly see that it isn't the correct coloring, and that the entire photo, whether purposefully or not, has a distinct orange tint to it.
 
Here is my question ... has Manny removed Jendee's photo of her squaretail from his website?

As we all know, using others photos without permission is a big no-no.
 
yes I did hes here, got some pictures for you guys. He looks good, got the vet certificate he is small and has obviously been off feed for breeding which was expected(keep in mind this is a 5 yr old boa) but he is alert and active and has attacked !! a nice rat already! boy is he red its been so long since Ive seen him 0.0 He is getting a nice vaca and some rest :) Thank you guys!! and the boi I doubt I would have gotten him home without your help!!

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obviously not a poor quality animal...btw lol
 
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