MARK MILLER IS A THIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nickstone]

What are the odds that brand new person joins, posting in favor of Mark Miller and has the EXACT same name as a character on " All My Children ". That would be a soap Opera for those that don't know.

If I'm wrong forgive me but it makes me wonder when new folks come out of the blue talking out of their ass about how much a scumbag is good deserving guy.

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I've stopped watching soaps since I found the BOI, this stuff in real life is way more interesting for me.

 

[jayefbe]

If you check dudeman's posts, he made another fairly idiotic post in a thread about flakers. Feel free to check it out, he brings up the fact that lawsuits are just a waste of time and money, and that even if someone's been scammed you shouldn't burn bridges, in case you want to work with someone in the future. He's either Mark, extremely naive about the seedier elements of this hobby, or just plain dumb.

 

[raybueno]

I thank all of you that have and continue to back me on this.

I too think "Dudeman" is Mark Miller or one of his few friends who he hasn't screwed YET.

Mark if a THIEF.

Dudeman I agree with all of the statements made about you in this post. If you would like to speak to me in person I welcome the opportunity. I will be at the Rocky Mountain Reptile Show on November 8th, 2008. Feel free to stop by.

 

[raybueno]

Mark is a thief. I get a little excited when talking about Mark Miller and typos happen.

 

[Sirika1982]

Hey, Dudeman, if you read the contracts and previous posts, there was no contingency as to what Mark should have done if the animals stated in the contract would not breed. It never said "pair my female with the best possible male". The contract was very specific as to which animals were to breed. Mark should have called Ray to agree on a new pairing BEFORE actually doing it! It was lame and cowardly for Mark to call after the fact stating that, btw, my snake didn't like your snake, so I had your snake mate with your snake. Also, Mark had no right to decide which babies were his to keep. I'm sure Ray would not have left Mark out in the cold had Mark sent back all of the babies and let Ray decide what Mark was to get. Mark speaks volumes by not defending himself. Everything I hear about him makes me feel like he is a shady character. Ray, this has not hurt your reputation. I would still do business with you if I dealt with boas. In fact, this posting and your attempts to work all of this out before posting this has made it more likely that I would do business with you. You let things with Mark go much farther than I would have before throwing a fit. If I ever find myself in the market for a quality boa, Ray, I will call you.

 

[Sirika1982]

The genetics of the male Mark was SUPPOSED to breed to Ray's female were different from those of Ray's male. Mark was supposed to breed Ray's female to MARK's male and Ray's male to Mark's female. MARK SHOULD HAVE CALLED RAY BEFORE PAIRING RAY'S TWO ANIMALS! Had he done that, Ray would have been given a voice in this matter. Also, Mark was not allowing Ray to come and see these animals.

Ray, did you try to breed your own animals without success, or did you want a different male for your female? MY conclusion is Ray wanted the genetics of Mark's animal in his babies. I do not claim to know anything about boa morphs. I have a pastel female ball. I also have a reduced pattern male ball. I plan to breed my female to a reduced pattern, as I want reduced pattern pastels. Wouldn't it make more sense for me to breed my female to a reduced pattern male who is het for pastel? Different genetics make different babies!

 

[raybueno]

I did breed animals myself. I would have bred those two together but that was not the deal. If you are going to come on here and ask a question then listen to the answer. I have been open and honest with all of this. Can your friend Mark say the same. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to any of this. Breeding loans are so you can breed your animal to something better.

I didn't distrust Mark until he screwed me. The other people trusted him also until he screwed them. Do you really think I would have sent Mark thousands of dollars in animals if I didn't trust him??? Are you really that dumb?

Thadeous, or whatever your real name is, keep doing business with Mark and sooner or later you will be on this board complaining about how he screwed you. I was a friend of his, if you think it wont happen to you you are crazy.

Again if you would like to speak to me in person I welcome the opportunity. If you talk to the coward thief Mark tell him the same thing. He continues to avoid calls. I am betting neither one of you will come and see me face to face though.

 

[raybueno]

Mark was the person who wanted to do a breeding loan. I agreed to do it to further my projects. I NEVER agreed to have my two animals bred together. Mark did this behind my back and STOLE half of the babies I know of. I am still notconvinced there were not more babies in the litter. Given Marks history I wouldn't put it past him.

 

[Sirika1982]

Sorry, I am relatively new to this and I was using this as an example. All of this between Ray and Mark has nothing to do with me, but I get passionate when I feel like someone is being wronged. It is the mommy in me
Anyway, I plan to do this soon, as I have my gorgeous pastel female and reduced male. I have the incubator ready to go and I am researching ball breeding. This is my first breeding project and I am trying to see if the reduced pattern is genetic. Any advice on how to go about this would be appreciated. I know balls usually only lay a few eggs- I like that- not so many babies to be overwhelmed with as I start out. I also want to eventually get a spider to put with my vanilla female. I have the pastel, the vanilla, a normal female, the reduced male, and a yet to be sexed baby in rough shape (it was given to me two days after it hatched on June 17 and has never eaten on its own.)

 

[Sirika1982]

As I said in my introduction on the new member page, I am relatively new at all of this and I may say things that make me sound stupid at times. Please call me out on them as I want to learn all I can. I was not aware there was no such thing as het pastel, as someone tried to sell me a het pastel ball at a recent reptile show. Glad I didn't fall for it

 

[raybueno]

Dudeman,

We can agree to disagree.

 

[jayefbe]

Ray,
I can honestly understand how upset you are in not having a voice in who was paired to who, but do you really think that is going to get you anywhere in court? If the paired animals will not breed, they won't breed. Mark just did the next best thing with different pairings. You still got tremendously awesome offspring from the pairings. Granted, I would be upset by not approving the decisions before they were made, but I still would have said, "go for it!" I'm having a hard time figuring out though whether you are more upset about the split on the litter that came from both your animals or that you kinda lost your say in the pairings. Perhaps both, but the litter won't even come close to meaning a thing in court unless you can prove that Mark hid babies from you that came from your clutch so he got more than his fair share in the 50/50. And, that proof would be rather hard to come by unless Mark would admit to such.

During the two years Mark and I have done business together, he has never refused to answer his phone or return calls or return emails. Most of our business has been done in person, though, as we really don't live too far from each other. I think Topeka is just a few hours from here. He's sometimes up at the KC shows...

I would speak to you in person, but CO is far from here. lol.

Okay, how many litters were there? How many babies in each litter? How many babies did you receive? Nothing else matters but that as far as babies are concerned (if this is going to go to court).

I know I'm asking a lot of you, but please, could you relist the original pairings and the pairings that actually happened? And, if you were asked beforehand, would you have approved or disapproved of these pairings? I mean, if it comes down to these pairings or being empty-handed, what would you prefer doing?

I really understand your frustration though, because being left out on these decisions is tough. And, it makes me really upset, even this does that happened to you. BUT, the fact is, I just really don't see it as holding up in court. That's what I'm trying to express here. I think it is good that you report this on the BOI, so other breeders can be warned about possible difficulties in dealing with Mark and what precautions to take if engaging in a breeding loan with him. But, is a lawsuit really the right answer? I don't know what you hope to accomplish by doing this, and all I can see out of it is that you feel you deserved the whole litter instead of the agreed half (even if both parents were yours to begin with).

The thing is that lawsuits are big deals. They cost a lot of money, and I'm not sure you should waste more money fighting Mark if you may not win in the end. I just can't see you as getting this through. Most of the people on here remind me of elementary school children encouraging a fight on the playground. They know it may be for the wrong reasons, but they just want to see how banged up everyone involved will get. I don't want you getting banged up more than you have to. I know this has hurt, but if you lose a lawsuit, won't that hurt more? And, if you win, will you really feel like you accomplished something?

Am I the only one that's gonna back Ray right now?

Dudeman, every single one of your questions has already been answered within this thread. Every single one of them. I'm sorry if you're gearing up for an exam, but if you're too busy to even read up on the background of the situation, then you have no business posting. It's great that you're not afraid to voice your opinion when you're in the minority, but to voice that opinion without even attempting to objectively gain all the facts first is just willful ignorance. Your opinion is not worth anything at all.

You are working under the assumed fallacy that for some reason Ray was unable to breed the boas himself. This is NOT the case. The breeding loan was agreed upon so that Mark could pair his boas with Ray's boas. It was never stipulated that Ray could pair Mark's boas together, and permission was never received. In the end, the boas that were bred were still Ray's possession, and the only reason the litter occurred was due to Mark's dishonest actions. I agree that Mark should receive some compensation for the time and energy spent in breeding the animals, but he may have forfeited any compensation due him when he breached the terms of the breeding loan. While I do believe that Ray would have compensated him either monetarily or with a snake, Mark was in no way entitled to half of the litter. How easy is it to breed boas? Now, I've every bred them, but I imagine it's not exactly the toughest thing in the world. The benefit of the breeding loan was the superior genetic pairings that Ray had to offer, not his ability to breed the animals.

I have no idea how you could see things any differently in this situation. Ray, if you can afford it, keep the lawsuit up. Somebody needs to let Mark know that he can't continue getting away with just doing whatever he pleases.

 

[LauraB]

Am I the only one that's gonna back Ray right now?

Joshua ... for the most part, everyone has backed Ray since the inception of his thread back on July 12. The only non-backers are most likely close friends, allies of Mark, mouthpieces for Mark and perhaps even Mark himself under the guise of Dudeman (or someone he knows who sits around and watches soaps ... how pathetic!)
Ray and Mark's other victims definitely have the support of the majority of posters here.

 

[jayefbe]

Laura - I know Ray has his backers, it just seemed like they had disappeared for a bit...

Dudeman - If you had read the post you would have realized the issues at hand. Instead, it seemed as though you assumed that Mark had the boas because Ray was somehow incapable of breeding his own snakes himself.

 

[jayefbe]

My exam went great by the way. I believe I aced that sucker! haha!

I don't know if you are Mark, or if you're just buddies with Mark, or if you don't really know him at all...but your behavior is very reminiscent of known scammers when posting in the BOI. I'm referring to your hijacking of threads and attempts to lighten up the subject at hand.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Just FYI: they make these things called probes. Look 'em up, learn how to use 'em. 'Kay, Josh? "Okay" Very good.

Last time you stopped by your name was Travis. What gives? Doesn't really matter your other account has a fine due.

 

[ForkedTung]

Mr. Martin, I can't honestly believe that anyone here is concerned how you are performing on your exams, chronologically, numerically or otherwise. With your seemingly boundless narcissistic knowledge you should've known better than to have helped hijack this thread (you should have PM'd the person or at least pointed them to an appropriate forum).
Believe it or not you actually can breed snakes without knowing how to sex them. I did many times BEFORE I learned to sex them. Also you need to have a very experienced person show you how to probe, you don't just stick the probe into the vent haphazardly because then it won't matter what the sex of the snake is due to damage/disease from the probe.
All of your points are irrelevant anyway. This is very simple. Ray did NOT want Mark to breed RAY'S snakes. Ray CAN breed his own snakes. Mark has no claim to ANY of what RAY'S snakes produced. All he is deserving of at this point is compensation for the care of said snakes and criminal charges.

 

[Randall Turner]

Since you want to talk in a condescending manner to Joshua, I figured I'd point it out to you "Thadeous", in boas pastel isn't a codom/dom trait it is polygenic and Hypo isn't codom it is dominant.

Regarding Rays right to sue, a contract was written up and agreed upon, Mark tried going by the contract, was unsuccessful and took it into his own hands rather then informing Ray of what was happening. At that point any rights he has to offspring are out the window.

 

[Sirika1982]

I think Dudeman deleted all of his posts and account... He was pm-ing me with breeding advice. Now he is not receiving pms anymore. Where can I go for breeding advice? Sorry, Ray, not trying to hijack your thread, but if someone can pm me with advice, I will appreciate it.

I will say thanks to this thread. Because of this, I will NEVER deal with Mark, and if I find myself wanting a gorgeous boa, I will contact you, Ray.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

What was his other ID Dennis?