MARK MILLER IS A THIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mholmes412]

Ray - I really hope you are able to recover your losses. I know it's been about a year, but has there been any progress within the legal system in civil court?

 

[dodgedart]

mark miller of locolizards is a thief scam artist liar and 1st class scum baggggggggggg ok i met mark miller at kansas city reptile show probebly about 4 yrs ago he wanted to trade my 4ft coral albino f for two albino babys i was interested so went to marks house in topeka kansas 1 hr drive for me we ended up trading he gave me a f alb stripe tail and a lipstick f after getting these animals home i realized the lipstick had health issues she was prolasped so i contacted mark he said bring back he would make it right this was the next day i told mark i wanted my coral alb back he said he had allready sold 1 day so i gave lipstick back i proceded to call mark every week for 6 monthssssssss still had not done anything so i went to get her back she had a chunk of meat hanging out of her ass he said he did not notice LIE so a little time went by i needed new cages mark said he would order them for me i had no computer said ok 4 months went by called mark several several several times he said they were on order so waited 2 more months still no cages so i decided to call jeff ronnie jeff ronnie told me they were never order at this time 6 months went by called mark took a couple of weeks to contact he assured me i would have in a week well it took 6 weeks more finally got cages keep in mind i had paid mark for cages up front 7 months earlier ok 2 scam a little time went by a had a m salmon jungle mark was begginggggggggggg for so i decided to trade for f alb sharp and a albino m baby well that was 2 years ago still no albino m 3 SCAM so i did not deal with him for a wile he contacted me about 1 year later all full of apoligizies LIES in the meanwile my roommate was buying a lot of snakes from him last fall o8 mark came by my house unanounced begging to borrow my tripple het moonglo pastel paradox i declined said he was too young he was only 16 months he wanted to pair him up with his snow f probebly 8ft i said no he begged like a crack whore so i agreed to split litter in the meantime my roommate got his girlfriend pregnant she does not like snakes made him sell them all mark begged for a lot of them so they madeup a contract mark was to sell what he could and buy the rest they had a contract all to be done by 12 31 08 well my roommate called mark every other day after the first of year no answers no money so we decided to show up unanounced like he does this was 02 20 08 he was eating dinner argued did not want to settle now we insted so me and my roommate gathered up all that was left i bought the rest. well as of 06 24 09 my roommate is still owed 800 dollars he calls mark no answers no answer no answer finally catches him he promised him to be paid at next kansas city reptile show 07 11 09 well see another LIEweanwile mark has my tripple het and my f lipstick mark calls me at the end of jan 08 said his snow killed my tripple het i was very pissedddddddd he asured me it will be right we agreed on a ghost m het alb 08 as of 06 24 09 no snake no money nothing but LIES AND EXCUSES WAIT TILL HE HAS BABYS HE WILL MAKE RIGHT HIS FIRST CLUTCH WAS IN 03 08 STILL HAVING CLUTCHES NO MONEY OR GHOST all this time i had no computer got computer 03 09 a friend told me about fauna and marks reputation i looked it up wow what a LOOSER LIAR SCAM ARTIST i could not say anything he still had my lipstick f albino which we were breeding to a motley het albino m so i had to wait till i got her back to raise hell or she might dissapear i got her back 06 11 09 mark informed me she had only had 2 babys 1 normal het for lipstick and 1 motley he informed me they were all his i got nothing what a piece of sssssssssssssss so i am informing everyone about this scum bag when i first met mark miller of locolizards he was in the middle of a trade with a blood boa JOHN MARITINOS mark informed me he was sick and regurgatating and he had to sell before something happened i did not know what to do. last breeding season 07 08 mark miller had a contract with ray bueno to do some breeding everybody knows the outcome of that well ray was informed on 06 12 about some other things mark breed mark miller of locolizards also breed rays motley m to one of his huge columbians not het just a normal boa well she had babys she had either 14 motleys and 11 normals or 14 normals and 11 motleys i do not know which i saw the babys mark miller of locolizards told me to keep it quiet and i would get a pair i told mark i did not want any dont worry about it well i just had to tell ray bueno i also have a very credible witness to those babys i think mark sold them all to someone they were all gone in about 2 weeks. I AM PERSUING SMALL CLAIMS COURT WITH MARK FOR MY TRIPPLE HET MOONGLO PASTEL PARADOX AND HAVE THREE WITNESSES WHEN HE CAME TO MY HOUSE AND TOOK HIM. i have also informed john maritino about his blood boa and i have also informed ray bueno about the third clutch ray is also persuing charges on him we will all be at the kansas city reptile show july 11 and 12 tp confront him like a man face to face my guess he will not show he is a COWARD LIAR THIEF CON ARTIST mark miller of locolizards is very good with words he will lie all he can to resolve this i personally think he would steal from his parents or anybody he has the chance to it is a shame there are people like this the world would be a better place without him no doubt i will definetly go to court for ray bueno as many times as needed so everybody beware do not buy trade or even talk to him it will hurt your reputation and your wallet

 

[HetForHuman]

mark miller of locolizards is a thief scam artist liar and 1st class scum baggggggggggg ok i met mark miller at kansas city reptile show probebly about 4 yrs ago he wanted to trade my 4ft coral albino f for two albino babys i was interested so went to marks house in topeka kansas 1 hr drive for me we ended up trading he gave me a f alb stripe tail and a lipstick f after getting these animals home i realized the lipstick had health issues she was prolasped so i contacted mark he said bring back he would make it right this was the next day i told mark i wanted my coral alb back he said he had allready sold 1 day so i gave lipstick back i proceded to call mark every week for 6 monthssssssss still had not done anything so i went to get her back she had a chunk of meat hanging out of her ass he said he did not notice LIE so a little time went by i needed new cages mark said he would order them for me i had no computer said ok 4 months went by called mark several several several times he said they were on order so waited 2 more months still no cages so i decided to call jeff ronnie jeff ronnie told me they were never order at this time 6 months went by called mark took a couple of weeks to contact he assured me i would have in a week well it took 6 weeks more finally got cages keep in mind i had paid mark for cages up front 7 months earlier ok 2 scam a little time went by a had a m salmon jungle mark was begginggggggggggg for so i decided to trade for f alb sharp and a albino m baby well that was 2 years ago still no albino m 3 SCAM so i did not deal with him for a wile he contacted me about 1 year later all full of apoligizies LIES in the meanwile my roommate was buying a lot of snakes from him last fall o8 mark came by my house unanounced begging to borrow my tripple het moonglo pastel paradox i declined said he was too young he was only 16 months he wanted to pair him up with his snow f probebly 8ft i said no he begged like a crack whore so i agreed to split litter in the meantime my roommate got his girlfriend pregnant she does not like snakes made him sell them all mark begged for a lot of them so they madeup a contract mark was to sell what he could and buy the rest they had a contract all to be done by 12 31 08 well my roommate called mark every other day after the first of year no answers no money so we decided to show up unanounced like he does this was 02 20 08 he was eating dinner argued did not want to settle now we insted so me and my roommate gathered up all that was left i bought the rest. well as of 06 24 09 my roommate is still owed 800 dollars he calls mark no answers no answer no answer finally catches him he promised him to be paid at next kansas city reptile show 07 11 09 well see another LIEweanwile mark has my tripple het and my f lipstick mark calls me at the end of jan 08 said his snow killed my tripple het i was very pissedddddddd he asured me it will be right we agreed on a ghost m het alb 08 as of 06 24 09 no snake no money nothing but LIES AND EXCUSES WAIT TILL HE HAS BABYS HE WILL MAKE RIGHT HIS FIRST CLUTCH WAS IN 03 08 STILL HAVING CLUTCHES NO MONEY OR GHOST all this time i had no computer got computer 03 09 a friend told me about fauna and marks reputation i looked it up wow what a LOOSER LIAR SCAM ARTIST i could not say anything he still had my lipstick f albino which we were breeding to a motley het albino m so i had to wait till i got her back to raise hell or she might dissapear i got her back 06 11 09 mark informed me she had only had 2 babys 1 normal het for lipstick and 1 motley he informed me they were all his i got nothing what a piece of sssssssssssssss so i am informing everyone about this scum bag when i first met mark miller of locolizards he was in the middle of a trade with a blood boa JOHN MARITINOS mark informed me he was sick and regurgatating and he had to sell before something happened i did not know what to do. last breeding season 07 08 mark miller had a contract with ray bueno to do some breeding everybody knows the outcome of that well ray was informed on 06 12 about some other things mark breed mark miller of locolizards also breed rays motley m to one of his huge columbians not het just a normal boa well she had babys she had either 14 motleys and 11 normals or 14 normals and 11 motleys i do not know which i saw the babys mark miller of locolizards told me to keep it quiet and i would get a pair i told mark i did not want any dont worry about it well i just had to tell ray bueno i also have a very credible witness to those babys i think mark sold them all to someone they were all gone in about 2 weeks. I AM PERSUING SMALL CLAIMS COURT WITH MARK FOR MY TRIPPLE HET MOONGLO PASTEL PARADOX AND HAVE THREE WITNESSES WHEN HE CAME TO MY HOUSE AND TOOK HIM. i have also informed john maritino about his blood boa and i have also informed ray bueno about the third clutch ray is also persuing charges on him we will all be at the kansas city reptile show july 11 and 12 tp confront him like a man face to face my guess he will not show he is a COWARD LIAR THIEF CON ARTIST mark miller of locolizards is very good with words he will lie all he can to resolve this i personally think he would steal from his parents or anybody he has the chance to it is a shame there are people like this the world would be a better place without him no doubt i will definetly go to court for ray bueno as many times as needed so everybody beware do not buy trade or even talk to him it will hurt your reputation and your wallet

Wow, that i think is the hardest thing i have ever tried to read in my life.

 

[Uroboros]

Yeah, no kidding. You may have a legitemate beef, but use the enter key periodically.

Jeebus, there isn't even any punctuation in there.

 

[TattooLost]

I'm not even gonna TRY to read that wall of text. Imposing, I must say. But from what I gathered, you don't like Mark Miller. lol

 

[dodgedart]

yea you are right i just wanted to warn all the honest people out there

 

[Bryan T]

Wow, that i think is the hardest thing i have ever tried to read in my life.

WOW did a child write this?

 

[Buttons]

mark miller of locolizards is a thief scam artist liar and 1st class scum baggggggggggg.

Ok i met mark miller at kansas city reptile show probebly about 4 yrs ago, he wanted to trade my 4ft coral albino f for two albino babys. I was interested so went to marks house in topeka kansas, 1 hr drive for me, we ended up trading. He gave me a f alb stripe tail and a lipstick f.

After getting these animals home i realized the lipstick had health issues. She was prolasped so i contacted mark, he said bring back he would make it right. This was the next day, I told mark i wanted my coral alb back, he said he had allready sold 1 day so i gave lipstick back. I proceded to call mark every week for 6 monthssssssss.

Still had not done anything so i went to get her back she had a chunk of meat hanging out of her ass he said he did not notice. LIE. So a little time went by, I needed new cages, mark said he would order them for me. I had no computer, said ok. 4 months went by called mark several several several times he said they were on order so waited 2 more months. Still no cages so i decided to call jeff ronnie. Jeff ronnie told me they were never order.

At this time 6 months went by called mark, took a couple of weeks to contact. He assured me i would have in a week. Well it took 6 weeks more. Finally got cages, keep in mind i had paid mark for cages up front 7 months earlier.

ok 2 scam a little time went by a had a m salmon jungle mark was begginggggggggggg for so i decided to trade for f alb sharp and a albino m baby. Well that was 2 years ago still no albino m.

3 SCAM so i did not deal with him for a wile he contacted me about 1 year later all full of apoligizies. LIES.

In the meanwile my roommate was buying a lot of snakes from him last fall o8. Mark came by my house unanounced begging to borrow my tripple het moonglo pastel paradox. I declined, said he was too young. He was only 16 months. He wanted to pair him up with his snow f, probebly 8ft. I said no, he begged like a crack whore so i agreed to split litter.

In the meantime my roommate got his girlfriend pregnant. She does not like snakes, made him sell them all. Mark begged for a lot of them so they madeup a contract. Mark was to sell what he could and buy the rest. They had a contract all to be done by 12 31 08. Well my roommate called mark every other day after the first of year. no answers no money. so we decided to show up unanounced like he does. This was 02 20 08> he was eating dinner, argued, did not want to settle now we insted. So me and my roommate gathered up all that was left i bought the rest.

well as of 06 24 09 my roommate is still owed 800 dollars. He calls mark, no answers no answer no answer. Finally catches him. He promised him to be paid at next kansas city reptile show 07 11 09. well see another LIE.

meanwile mark has my tripple het and my f lipstick. Mark calls me at the end of jan 08 said his snow killed my tripple het. I was very pissedddddddd. He asured me it will be right. We agreed on a ghost m het alb 08.

As of 06 24 09 no snake no money nothing but LIES AND EXCUSES. WAIT TILL HE HAS BABYS, HE WILL MAKE RIGHT. HIS FIRST CLUTCH WAS IN 03 08. STILL HAVING CLUTCHES NO MONEY OR GHOST.

All this time i had no computer got computer 03 09. A friend told me about fauna and marks reputation. I looked it up wow what a LOOSER LIAR SCAM ARTIST. I could not say anything, he still had my lipstick f albino which we were breeding to a motley het albino m so i had to wait till i got her back to raise hell or she might dissapear.

i got her back 06 11 09. Mark informed me she had only had 2 babys, 1 normal het for lipstick and 1 motley. He informed me they were all his. I got nothing. What a piece of sssssssssssssss.

So i am informing everyone about this scum bag. When i first met mark miller of locolizards he was in the middle of a trade with a blood boa JOHN MARITINOS. Mark informed me he was sick and regurgatating and he had to sell before something happened. I did not know what to do.

last breeding season, 07 08, mark miller had a contract with ray bueno to do some breeding. Everybody knows the outcome of that. Well ray was informed on 06 12 about some other things mark breed. Mark miller, of locolizards, also breed rays motley m to one of his huge columbians. Not het just a normal boa. Well she had babys, she had either 14 motleys and 11 normals or 14 normals and 11 motleys. i do not know which. i saw the babys. mark miller of locolizards told me to keep it quiet and i would get a pair. i told mark i did not want any dont worry about it. well i just had to tell ray bueno, i also have a very credible witness to those babys. i think mark sold them all to someone, they were all gone in about 2 weeks.

I AM PERSUING SMALL CLAIMS COURT WITH MARK FOR MY TRIPPLE HET MOONGLO PASTEL PARADOX AND HAVE THREE WITNESSES WHEN HE CAME TO MY HOUSE AND TOOK HIM. i have also informed john maritino about his blood boa and i have also informed ray bueno about the third clutch. ray is also persuing charges on him.

we will all be at the kansas city reptile show july 11 and 12 tp confront him like a man face to face. my guess he will not show. he is a COWARD LIAR THIEF CON ARTIST. mark miller of locolizards is very good with words. he will lie.

all he can to resolve this i personally think he would steal from his parents or anybody he has the chance to. it is a shame there are people like this. the world would be a better place without him.

no doubt i will definetly go to court for ray bueno as many times as needed. so everybody beware do not buy trade or even talk to him. it will hurt your reputation and your wallet

I tried my best to fix it.



After the first scam (or 2nd) why would you keep on doing business with this guy???

 

[dodgedart]

thanks for trying to fix my horrible computer skills mark. i do not know why i kept dealing with him i guess i am a glutten for punishment,i just wanted to learn genetics on boas. to everybody else i apoligize for my lack of computer skills,i just wanted to help, i did not think i would be picked apart.I JUST WANTED TO HELP ANYONE IF I COULD

 

[LauraB]

1) Thank you Mark N. for your fix of Jeff's post. MUCH easier to read!

2) Thank you Jeff for posting your experience and further adding to Mark Miller's wall of shame. Liars, thieves and scammers need all the exposure they can get.

3) This ain't English class folks.

 

[kenat]

Why do you have to be so hard on dodgedart all he is trying to do is let the people know what kind of person Mark Miller is so no one has to go through what he has gone through. It looks like all he has done is got a lot of criticism from some english majors. I have been talking to Mark Miller about getting a snake untill I looked here and saw what he has done to other people and backed out so I don't care how he wrote it. It is what he said that counts not how he wrote it.

 

[reagorfu]

anyone get their money from this guy yet? is he still at shows?

 

[dodgedart]

I have not recieved anything.He will not do the right thing,I have not seen him at the KC reptile show for about 6 months,I think he is not allowed there anymore.He should not be allowed in any reptile shows anywhere!

 

[kenneally1]

Any news?

 

[JungleJay]

Wow. I met Mark at a show last year and thought he seemed like a nice guy. I bought a normal bci from him for a fair price. I was really looking forward to seeing him at the show this year, since he is the only boa breeder that shows up. I was hoping he might have something I could pair up with my kahl sunglow poss. jungle. I guess that plan is out of the question. I can't believe how many people have accused him of cheating or flat out stealing. Obviously, this guy just does what he wants and doesn't give a crap about the people he is dealing with. I'm just a customer, but you would think there would be some kind of code of ethics when it comes to making arrangements with other breeders.

 

[JungleJay]

Ray,
I want to thank you for posting this story. I know it is several years later, but I hope everything has turned out well and you got your day in court. You can be assured I won't be buying anything else from him. I will be talking to the couple who run that show and make sure that they are aware of his bad business practices. Honestly, though, this a small show, and given the credibility of the other vendors they have there, I would assume they won't care and will sell him the both anyway. But I will do my best to make sure this scam artist isn't allowed to sell at the show.

I just realized, what if that male I bought from him wasn't his to sell in the first place. Thanks again Ray, and good luck.

 

[KingBowser]

This long threads brought out of the depths of the BOI are slowly killing me.

Sooo....whatever happened to this Miller guy?

 

[reptirus]

Updates? Im kinda bummed I just took the time to read this thread, just to realize there isnt actually an end to it, I could have stopped reading after the first page and known everything that I know now...

 

[KingBowser]

 

[Jay the Turtleman]

Updates? Im kinda bummed I just took the time to read this thread, just to realize there isnt actually an end to it, I could have stopped reading after the first page and known everything that I know now...

Ah cool, because I just did exactly that. Nice to know I didn't waste too much time.