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Mark Miller (loco-lizards) - Bad Guy !

Well considering its only another day or two of waiting, I'd simply wait and see. It does sound fishy that they would not give any sort of confirmation, but hey.... we'll soon find out. I certainly hope for Marks sake the refund shows as promised, otherwise he's certainly burried!
 
OK fine, it seems I can' t say anything or reply without someone saying I am whining, fine....thought it was a forum, thought it was important to state this public, maybe I am wrong then. Not on this situation but because I thought people read, see the facts, and notice someone is trying to warn people about a bad person.

Tony Pharosx
 
Well in regards to the refund, you are whining. You're expecting a refund to arrive Tuesday. Repeating over and over that you have not recieved your refund yet WHILE YOU ARE WAITING FOR IT TO ARRIVE ON TUESDAY is not only pointless.... its plain STUPID!

And yes, it is annoying. VERY annoying.

I'll be honest with you. You did a GREAT job presenting your facts here. So good in fact that you really dont need to say much more, its all there! Basically your side has been covered, MARK is the one who has answering to do. And MARK is the one who needs to come thru with the refund. Since he has stated it has been sent and will arrive tuesday there is really nothing left to do but come here Tuesday and let us know if it arrived or not.

At first, from they way you presented your facts, I was VERY impressed. NOW that I have seen how you handle yourself & repeat yourself its a different story. You may be in my favor in this situation but you could not pay me enough to sell you a red ear slider let alone a high end morph. I do not care if you were willing to pay me 2K for a NORMAL columbian boa. Absolutely not.

You've done a great job presenting facts about Mark, and you have also done a great job presenting yourself to hundreds and THOUSANDS of breeders and dealers here now too. These threads last FOREVER. Remember that.
 
Give Tony a Break Here

Chris J and Jim O, This thread was started only a matter of hours ago about a situation that has gone on for over a year. Tony has been through quite an ordeal and you expect him to post a few lines and say "thank you all now have a nice day?" It's easy to tell Tony to shut up and just wait for the money but until you've been put through the wringer and lied to as long as he has been it would be nice if you could take a minute and understand he may need to vent here just a little. Ya Think?
Chris matter of factly stated, " Mark does NOT want to sell you the Boa after knowing what he knows now." I agree with this statement 100% only I look at it a little differently. What "Mark knows now" is he can get much more money now that he knows the animal is a coral sunglow. Naturally he doesn't want to sell it for the original asking price and IMHO this is more than likely THE REASON WHY he's backed out of the deal. Had the deal been carried out in a more professional and timely manner the animal would have been in Canada long before Mark had a chance to see the coral color develop to have second thoughts.
This whole deal sucked a long time ago with all the delays that I feel were meant to frustrate Tony into backing out of the deal and/or stall for more time to make use of Tony's money.
I'm sorry folks, but addition to the money I think Tony is owed a sincere apology from Mark as well. I haven't heard one person post this up until now. I guess you feel what's happened here is ho hum, no big deal. I guess you've all gone LOCO.
 
I'm not sure that not having an ID number necessarily means anything. I have an ACH account which is set up to debit and credit other US bank accounts (not sure about international). A transaction can be scheduled up to about six weeks in advance. When I schedule a wire transfer in advance, which is something I do regularly as I collect rent from some of my tenants that way, I do not get a transaction ID number until the transaction is actually completed on the value date.
 
Chris: I understand you points, don' t get me wrong....but like Greg mentioned trying seeing it from my side. Also I am not whining and repeating myself like you think, people replied asking questions I replied with answers.

So that is all I was doing. :)

Tony Pharosx
 
Tony,

Do you have caller ID? If so we can do a reverse look up on the number that called you from Kansas on Friday purporting to be the bank.
 
Greg Riso said:
Chris J and Jim O, This thread was started only a matter of hours ago about a situation that has gone on for over a year. Tony has been through quite an ordeal and you expect him to post a few lines and say "thank you all now have a nice day?" It's easy to tell Tony to shut up and just wait for the money but until you've been put through the wringer and lied to as long as he has been it would be nice if you could take a minute and understand he may need to vent here just a little. Ya Think?
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Been there, done that, and I do sympathize with him. Problem is a solution is in the works in the form of a refund expected Tuesday. He has stated the facts VERY well, and I really do not see this ending after the refund. Its obvious no matter what he will not be pleased, so be it. There is no need to repeat information over and over again. Not to mention I can quote a few times him saying that he has not recieved his refund yet its supposedly on its way. I simply said he should wait until tuesday, if it does not arrive tuesday then by all means. BITCH UP A STORM! I surely would, Mark would be ruining himself if that were the case! He's done a great job presenting the facts.... I understand he is upset but right now it is a waiting game unfortunately. Whining and bitching in the meantime will do nothing, you and I both know this. The only thing left to do between now and then is hear an explanation from MARK.


Greg Riso said:
Chris matter of factly stated, " Mark does NOT want to sell you the Boa after knowing what he knows now." I agree with this statement 100% only I look at it a little differently. What "Mark knows now" is he can get much more money now that he knows the animal is a coral sunglow. Naturally he doesn't want to sell it for the original asking price and IMHO this is more than likely THE REASON WHY he's backed out of the deal. Had the deal been carried out in a more professional and timely manner the animal would have been in Canada long before Mark had a chance to see the coral color develop to have second thoughts.
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I agree, again. On both points. One being the value of the snake has obviously increased and he wishes to deny this motivation he is outright lying. No ifs ands or buts about it. Secondly, after seeing how Tony handles himself, especially that chat log.... I certainly would not want to deal with him either. Simply put, he's annoying. I also find it amusing after all was said and done, and the deal was OBVIOUSLY horribly tanked, he STILL wanted the snake. He even offered to pay more. This just raises some red flags with me. I'm not saying he is a bad guy, I'm just saying that if he was still willing to deal with someone who obviously broke a deal and deserved serious concern something can be said for that buyer as well! Hard to explain it but I guess thats a try...

Greg Riso said:
This whole deal sucked a long time ago with all the delays that I feel were meant to frustrate Tony into backing out of the deal and/or stall for more time to make use of Tony's money.
I'm sorry folks, but addition to the money I think Tony is owed a sincere apology from Mark as well. I haven't heard one person post this up until now. I guess you feel what's happened here is ho hum, no big deal. I guess you've all gone LOCO.
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Agreed, if the transfer of funds does go thru and the refund is a success I believe an apology is in order as well the finally END the deal once and for all.

If the refund does NOT arrive, well, all I can say is I certainly would not want to be in Marks shoes!
 
Jim: I understand your point and I also understand everything on wire transfers as I do them in Canada and internationally. The end result there must be a papertrail and I could not get anything like that or anything with a number at all to cross reference later. And in the end he could have gone earlier to the bank and made it happen that day instead of now waiting longer to first start it, then process it, then recieve it. The choosing of reaching the bank at 3pm knowing it will not complete the process until next week and then gaining 4 days maybe more telling me alot about his business practices.

Again I an not saying anything against you, just that I know the process as well and also internationally. :)
 
Also, it may be a year of BS, but its just now been presented here. A refund is pending as of these posts and if it does not arrive then I am sure further discussion will ensue. Right now, as for THIS discussion, there is not much we can do but wait and see if the refund does in fact arrive.
 
Accepting 50% down on an international order from someone you don't know only makes sense if you plan from the begining on taking the money, and holding the snake and paying back the money you "borrowed" by selling at a higher price later. It sounds like someone was in a hurry to get money for something else, and didn't care what it took to get it, or what he had to do to get it. Promising to ship with 50% down is a pretty easy promise if you know you can sell the animal later for a lot more money, while keeping the buyer interested, and come out smelling like a rose when you send him his money back.
 
BOAS_N_PYTHONS said:
Jim: I understand your point and I also understand everything on wire transfers as I do them in Canada and internationally. The end result there must be a papertrail and I could not get anything like that or anything with a number at all to cross reference later. And in the end he could have gone earlier to the bank and made it happen that day instead of now waiting longer to first start it, then process it, then recieve it. The choosing of reaching the bank at 3pm knowing it will not complete the process until next week and then gaining 4 days maybe more telling me alot about his business practices.

Again I an not saying anything against you, just that I know the process as well and also internationally. :)
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And again I am agreeing with you Tony. You should have received SOMETHING regarding this transfer. A teller can easily give you a reference or transaction number for the wire transfer. And the bank customer, MARK, could have atleast faxed or scanned you a copy of the receipt. ANYTHING for that matter regarding the transfer of funds. Something does sound fishy, but we will not know until tuesday. No use claiming foul again until you know for a fact its a foul :)
 
Chris, who do you think is owed an apology if the money does show up on Tuesday? I agree with you on about everything else, but that kinda confused me.
 
DaveyFig said:
Accepting 50% down on an international order from someone you don't know only makes sense if you plan from the begining on taking the money, and holding the snake and paying back the money you "borrowed" by selling at a higher price later. It sounds like someone was in a hurry to get money for something else, and didn't care what it took to get it, or what he had to do to get it. Promising to ship with 50% down is a pretty easy promise if you know you can sell the animal later for a lot more money, while keeping the buyer interested, and come out smelling like a rose when you send him his money back.
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You may be right. Unfortunately we'll never know and no one who would do such a thing would ever admit to it. Problem is, the doubt is there and that is something Mark will NEVER be able to shake. Hopefully his explanations may clear some of this up.......
 
Also that chat was nothing serious, I was invited to it like Mark...and I do not understand the process but since people can change there names in that chat so easily I do not even know if I was chatting with Mark. I am not saying it was or not, but I have no real idea it was him, those chats are just weird. That is why I don' t bother posting chats I used PMs and emails as a better way to prove my point. Yes I did keep repeating myself why was I not answered at first and so on. I was in other chats with people in that main chat, I had nothing to hide and knew it can be saved and used but its not as concrete as that. If I knew hoe to change names I could have been Mark that easy....its MIRC, but I don' t use or know all its features. Others in that chat should come fourth and state this as well, but if they will I do not know. All in all everyone in that chat knew I was invited and Mark as well, after all the bully of this year and last on this deal I just needed to vent.....is that wrong fine, guess everyone can handle a year of crap like this and just accept it better than me.

Tony Pharosx
 
DaveyFig said:
Chris, who do you think is owed an apology if the money does show up on Tuesday? I agree with you on about everything else, but that kinda confused me.
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TONY! FOR SURE!

A year of BS for an international transaction?! Granted they take a bit of time, 6 months MAX.

Tony is owed an apology because Mark repeadatly stated the snake will go out XXX, the snake will ship XXX.... and it never did.

Tony is owed an apology because Mark tried to obtain more money for it AFTER sealing the deal. Mark also tried to have Tony pay for snakes in his country, out of the balance he was supposed to pay Mark upon the arrival of his snakes. This is basically asking Tony to pay more upfront than originally agreed upon. The deal was 50% down, 50% upon receipt. After all is said and done, this does NOT change. Any attempt to change or mani[pulate this is just plain underhanded. Obviously Mark was looking for a favor so I cannot really condemn him for this, but if he wanted snakes from Tony's country he could have asked and used his OWN funds. Not asked tony to pay for it out of the balance that was to be paid upon the arrival of Tonys snakes.

Tony is owed an apology because Mark chose to end the transaction based on reference information he should of gathered BEFORE sealing a deal and taking his money.

Im sure there is more.......
 
Oh yes, I almost forgot.

Mark ALSO owes Tony an apology for being an ASS.

What kind of seller in the middle of a transaction continously throws the fact that the snake you purchased or put a deposit on has increased in value. I mean, once maybe, but christ! It was OBVIOUS Mark was looking for more than originally agreed upon for this animal. The emails alone speak for themselves! Countless times he mention that the snake was now worth more, that he had more offers, that he could sell it locally, for mroe... blah blah blah blah

Im sorry, I hate to say it, he may be a GREAT guy, but thats just asshole material to me right there. Thats low, REAL low.
 
Yeah, that was our chat over at ACC so I can tell you that that WAS Mark that you were talking to, and that WAS me that was insulting him without any kind of evidence of wrong doing(which I apologized for later). I am a completely different person in a chat room. They are a joke to me and I let it all hang out, and our chat room is anything goes. There were many name changes that night, but the chat logs should show each time someone changed their user name to be someone else. I believe all of the name changing was done after Mark left anyway, so that is irrelevant.

Chris, I am sorry I missunderstood your earlier post. It looked like you were saying that if the money showed up on Tuesday, then Mark should get an attaboy and apology.
Looking back at the emails it looks like the first time Mark mentions a refund is in the same email that he mentions the value of the snake being much more than they agreed upon.That is what lead me to believe that Mark was backing out, and saving face by offering a refund. Tony didn't want a refund, he wanted the snake at the agreed upon price, and thats when the excuses really got going.Had he made up his mind to refund the money based solely on the hassle, it would be different, but it seems he factored in a greater profit of selling and just paying Tony back. I don't really know how to phrase what I am saying, but I hope it makes sense.
 
Well back in October of LAST YEAR, the 24ths to be exact, he stated that he was having trouble parting with the snake in such a lengthy transation. That it began looking as if it was definately a coral sunglow. That he could have sold her for 4-5k cash months ago. That she is now worth every penny of 5k if not more. Well instead of quoting, here it is, read it for yourself....

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So, as of October 24th his intentions were OBVIOUS. He knew it was worth more back then and wanted out OR ALL of the money then and there. He did NOT want to honor the original deal, that much is MORE than obvious.

This right here is reason enough........ I dare someone to try and argue any other meaning.
 
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