Mark Miller (loco-lizards) - Bad Guy !

[Chris@TSE]

And wednesday is not acceptable. If it was initiated LAST WEEK it should easily clear by tuesay at the latest. Most of our internation wire transfers clear within thirty minutes to six hours.

 

[reptilebreeder]

BTW. It took me all of twenty to thirty minutes to do my homework and find out about Tony. Rumor has it he is one of the largest pains in the ass amongst his Canadian peers. Rumor has it he steals photos, misrepresents animals, and LOVES to construct payment plans and bug the hell out of sellers all the while.......

You know... ALL of the above may be 100% true but guess what?

Mark still accepted the deal and failed to follow through. The deal began falling apart LONG before he was even aware of these rumors or truths, whatever they may be....

Fact remains, how long did it take me to find out this information? And I am not even in the same "boa circles" as these guys.......

If entering into a deal such as this you do your homework first. No ifs ands or buts about it. Mark failed to do this. So.... With that said, who fault is it?

You guessed it... Marks. Mark may have every reason in the world not to want to deal with this guy after he learned of the many rumors that surround him but that is NOT why this deal fell apart.

It began falling apart wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in October when Mark made it perfectly clear in his emails that he wanted to change the deal or sell the snake elsewhere for more.

I'll be the first to say it, knowing what I know now, I wish to god that I was not backing Tony up. I may think hes right here but I certainly would not want to deal with him, let alone alow him to breathe the same air I do. Mark my words right now, I HATE the fact that I am agreeing with him. But unfortunately, I do. The facts do not lie.

I feel like those geeks on the CSI shows....

"I follow the evidence"

Sure you say the rumors may or may not be true, but then go on and say basically he is the biggest piece of ****e, and you don't expect him to respond to this? and when he does he is just repeating himself, and whining. All those mack threads and now this one......you are getting so full of yourself............I'm sure I'll catch hell for my opinion, since so many people worship you on this board, but jimminy christmas, you basically tell the guy he is a waste of oxygen and shouldn't be alive, then chastize him for responding. As far as repeating oneself, over and over (whining?), do a post count, as well as a content count, guess who has more?

 

[Chris@TSE]

Did I miss that somewhere?

That has not been stated by anyone has it?

No, it has not. Mickey is grasping at straws. The email I posted above includes the part where Mark tries changing the deal. He initiates a ultimadum wishing to recieve payment in full or he will sell the snake locally. The email clearly shows his intentions to break\modify the original deal. Tony never agreed to any such thing. Yet Mickey here wants to pretend it did not happen. Perhaps he should take a break from the Neverland ranch and get back to reality.

 

[Chris@TSE]

Sure you say the rumors may or may not be true, but then go on and say basically he is the biggest piece of ****e, and you don't expect him to respond to this? and when he does he is just repeating himself, and whining. All those mack threads and now this one......you are getting so full of yourself............I'm sure I'll catch hell for my opinion, since so many people worship you on this board, but jimminy christmas, you basically tell the guy he is a waste of oxygen and shouldn't be alive, then chastize him for responding. As far as repeating oneself, over and over (whining?), do a post count, as well as a content count, guess who has more?

I appreciate the post, I'll clear that up. I was commenting regarding the fact he kept repeating that he had not recieved his refund when in all reality it was literally PENDING! It had been sent but supposedly not cleared his bank till this coming tuesday. He felt it necessary to repeat it over and over, "I still never got my refund (insert whining here)" We were all agreeing with him yet he also kept replying as if no one believed him. He may be a POS, but unfortunately no matter how much I would like to side elsewhere, I have to side with who is right. He deserves his refund, he deserves his apology, and he deserves the truth from Mark.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Is this a viable solution?

There is a very simple way this can be solved. If Mark is in the position to export the boa, he could ask for the balance and once it arrives send the snake. Yes, it would be a violation of the original agreement, and no he shouldn’t be doing that, but by doing so Mark would:

1 Clear all suspicions that he is doing this to make more money out of the boa. At this point even if he returns every dime, everyone that has followed this deal will be waiting to see for how much this snake will finally be sold.

2He will not run any risk by sending the snake once it is completely paid for.

So the more pressing questions are:

a. Would Mark still agree to sell the boa if it is paid in full before shipping?

b. Would Tony agree to send the balance (going against the previous agreement) after what has happened in this past year?

c. Would any of the people in here feel comfortable sending more money (doubling it to be exact) to a person that hasn’t fulfilled his obligations for over a year?

As someone said, neither one is coming clean out of this one. But in my opinion at this point there’s seems to be more of a stain in Mark’s clothing.

Regards.

 

[Mickey_TLK]

Chris

I appreciate you willingness to get personal with me on this one for stateing MY OPINION. I will make sure not to disagree with you in the future.

Ive said my share, it is what it is. Im sorry Im willing to give Mark the benifit of a day. Im just saying if come 8 am on tuesday it hasnt hit, lets not s__t ourselves.

ONE LAST TIME REALLY SLOW, I DO NOT FULLY SUPPORT EVERYTHING MARK HAS DONE HERE. I dont know what else he could be expected to do. No he shouldnt have agreed to 50% and 50%.

Anyone want to man up and broker the shipment of the snake that TONY REALLY WANTS AND HAS MONEY FOR? Im sure if tuesday when Tony has his money from the refund, if hes willing to add the difference he agreed to on the value of the snake, that Mark would still sell it to him for that UP FRONT.

But as I said pages back, no one is going to want to take that risk, and Im NOT an international shipper so I wouldnt begin to offer to do so.

Untill this happens, we can all have our OPINIONS of what we feel has happened here.

 

[DaveyFig]

Mickey...if we are calling people liars (and I am not calling you one), did Mark tell you he doesn't have a motley? Cause guess what....really...guess, then I can share.
Also, if he doesn't have a motley, or didn't as far as you know, and supposedly was using Tony's money to buy one...why wait so long to refund? He didn't use the deposit for what he said he was using the deposit for , and that really was his only defense wasn't it? In his post he says something to the effect of :You can't say anything about me spending the deposit, because it was stated in the ad that I was using the money to buy a motley.
So now can we say something about him spending the deposit since you made it clear in your post that it wasn't for a motley?

Screw it, I will say it...MARK HAS A MOTLEY, or he lied to someone else. He can take his pick. He bought a motley using money he got from selling jungles this month. So...he's not hurting for money, but still couln't manage to pay back money that he didn't spend? Okey dokey
BTW, didn't Mark say he wouldn't sell to Tony even if he paid the price that Mark thinks it is worth now? I would have to reread the chat logs on that, but Tony did ask, when fishing for answers on CITES if he would be able to ship if he sent the extra money that day.

If we are gonna post the piddly stuff to try to outweigh the evidence, I think its fair to post the piddlies of the other side.

 

[pch101]

"Is this a viable solution?

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There is a very simple way this can be solved. If Mark is in the position to export the boa, he could ask for the balance and once it arrives send the snake. Yes, it would be a violation of the original agreement, and no he shouldn’t be doing that, but by doing so Mark would:

1 Clear all suspicions that he is doing this to make more money out of the boa. At this point even if he returns every dime, everyone that has followed this deal will be waiting to see for how much this snake will finally be sold.

2He will not run any risk by sending the snake once it is completely paid for.

So the more pressing questions are:

a. Would Mark still agree to sell the boa if it is paid in full before shipping?

b. Would Tony agree to send the balance (going against the previous agreement) after what has happened in this past year?

c. Would any of the people in here feel comfortable sending more money (doubling it to be exact) to a person that hasn’t fulfilled his obligations for over a year?

As someone said, neither one is coming clean out of this one. But in my opinion at this point there’s seems to be more of a stain in Mark’s clothing.

Regards."

Would you be willing to send more money to a person that made a deal with you and then tried to change it after accepting a down payment, and then told you lie after lie for the next year while never sending you the snake or the money as promised?

Sure, send this supreme example of honesty a couple thousand more dollars. I am sure this whole mess before was just a fluke...

Honestly, I think it would accomplish nothing.

 

[Jim O]

Anyone want to man up and broker the shipment of the snake that TONY REALLY WANTS AND HAS MONEY FOR? Im sure if tuesday when Tony has his money from the refund, if hes willing to add the difference he agreed to on the value of the snake, that Mark would still sell it to him for that UP FRONT.

Mickey, no one is arguing that Tony is an easy guy to get along with. I said earlier in this thread that I wouldn't want to do business with him. So I wouldn't take that deal. But your friend Mark agreed to deal with him and did not follow through. And then he did not issue a prompt refund. Really those are the only relevant facts. All the rest is just some much fat to be trimmed from the proverbial bone.

 

[DaveyFig]

I have partners in KS that could probably do the leg work if the CITES paper workwere in order, like accepting the money,hand delivering the cash, picking up the snake, and shipping it, or at least going with Mark to the airport to make sure it is shipped.

 

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

I agree this year and some time frame waiting for the second copy of CITIES to be verified was a long burden for both Mark and I, but I only made the deposit because he said he can achieve CITIES. The moment I heard it came back it was the most exciting day for me, but after telling me he would redo it because he made mistakes I felt like oh no….will it take double the time. Well it did not; it never came back a mistake by Mark and the office he sent it to. Let’s not forget that was a big mistake he made. And remember this I did not ask for a second new version of CITIES to be done I only thought OK he is going to do it then lets add more animals to it legally. In the end he files for a new copy because he wanted to in the first place. Enough on that detail.

I could have and now believe I should have come here a week early with his promise for this past Friday, because then there would be no doubt he screwed up again and then it would be seen publicly. Question is why I did not come earlier; well I figured a few things out. After forums and the way things get understood. Those being this:

1. If you report someone as a bad guy, you be ready to get accused as well.
2. When you do start a thread like this, being all the proof you can (not copy/paste and hear say info) but real proof.
3. Once you do that expect that that will not be enough, because people (friends) of the accused may feel it important to insult, discredit, use foul language, and try to egg a person on and on.
4. Once all the proof is set and is there for all to see and you win a verdict (trust) from observing readers, this does not change a thing, because not everyone reads each detail, reply, or what other people are doing to influence the situation for or against in the issues.
5. Because it is an open forum, this one - people must pay to join, but other forums this will apply as well. That anyone can jump on the band wagon for or against the people involved. I am not saying anything against this but the more people get in the more the strength of the issues gets distorted, also makes the thread really long and again proves the above statement.

I really enjoy this forum, I do not reply a lot here but it is still great reading. I especially enjoy the fact people must pay to reply on this section, I believe it should happen on every forum on any site. I know that is asking a lot but I bet it will weed out the people who enjoy fighting. That being said it does not prevent a few to still join and pay to fight. It has been seen here already that there was not reason to go past 8 pages or so. Everyone can see that a one member admits knowing, seeing, and chatting with the accused. So how can my proof or my attempt to prove it even be recognized if they are blind to the facts.

Now I would like to address a few things people brought up, but think either I did not explain it right or maybe I missed it totally. I will keep it brief and short each detail.

CITIES first one drawn up - was scrapped by Mark Miller to redo a second CITIES after the first one was acceptable already.
CITIES the second one drawn up - Mark Miller saw mistakes he made on his first attempt and wanted it perfect, doing so I asked can more animals be listed in the new version since your filing a new one. That was accepted by him and that is where we are today. That CITIES was never sent back to Mark Miller, up till now I am led to believe it is the office’ s mistake or his, but he can’t ship until it arrives……this is the key point. He posted a photo of the CITIES and I think everyone thinks he can ship if I paid full right now; he can’t until the office sends him a copy saying so.

PAYMENT – I have no problem paying the boa off, the fees to ship, the charge for CITIES. If its $500.00 USD, it don’ t matter to me at all, it only $500.00 USD. Though this was not part of the agreement if I only knew CITIES was really ready I guess I could pay it all off. But the CITIES is not complete and why am I paying him more then I need to, to only wait another week, month or year before he figures out the CITIES problem.

MY OFFER – this was a conversation then an email sent after to Mark Miller. In simple it has been over a year waiting for this CITIES thing. I offered to find my own CITIES this past week, not sure if I can do it but I was willing to try. In that conversation my agreement was would Mark hold her for me say 1 – 2 months maybe 3, I mean it’s a year now why not 3 months on my attempt this time. In telling him that I was hoping to show that I do not plan on screwing him over as I have done everything in my power up till now to let this last as long as it did.

PRICE HIKE – everyone wants to know about this. Well in simple “my offer” was accepted but because the deal is somewhat cancelled because Mark was starting to get angry with me for asking for my money, he stated if you can get CITIES try then. I then said price is still $4000.00 USD plus maintenance fees on the boa (I don’t care I can give him something it is fair). The price hike started here, as he stated she is now a year and if we do this I have to ask her value now because she is worth it. My problem with this is I own some of that boa now about 80% of it, why is it that if I own that much and can offer and try to get my own CITIES must I now pay additional charges……this is where the $3000.000 USD comes in. Since I saw I could not get the boa from Mark with his CITIES, I am cancelled out of the deal by promises of my refund since May 16, 2005, and any attempt I try to do the best I can to boa this boa – has now gained its year value of a boa.

This is why I came to the BOI this is why I went on the forums, it is not the $500.00 (fees, shipping, CITIES) it is that he wants more for it as if the original deal it totally forgotten. The key people involved (me and him) the boa, the money is still the same but he wants to forget the price should be what it is from the start.

WOULD I BUY HER NOW – no and yes, No just because this situation is tarnished and who knows what will happen to the boa, what guarantee I get, since getting my boa at first and now the refund takes forever, where would a guarantee have any meaning at all after this situation. YES if there was a way I can trust things would work out and that boa would arrive without any complications and I can be a proud owner and let this situation get past me. Maybe I am just naïve or something but I put a year and more into this and deserve my boa to start my projects. A year I can not gain if I walk away now.

MY CHARACTER – this does not come into play on this deal or the thread, I did as I was asked and went above the original contract to make things happen faster. People will hate me, accuse me, and take cheap shots…..it doesn‘t matter, you can’t make everyone happy.

BROKE – When I made my second payment, it falls under something Mark did. As seen in the emails he was trying to get out, but still accepted my second payment….reason is this it was near Christmas now, he cried bills and holidays it’s a bit tight down there. I said I understand. He said maybe cancel the deal so I can sell her to pay these bills. I said no a deal is a deal, what I can do is send another payment, I have to anyways later so I can do it now then, helps you and keeps the deal….people can believe me or not but this is what happened. If he was “loaded” that payment was never going to be accepted, also why am I waiting 2 weeks on promises its coming. All in all Mark is tight up on money during this process; he can refund me now only because he sold some recent boas, but still broke no matter what. Now that he can refund me he will be temporarily broke that Sunglow can pay his next debt.

Well I said my peace, I was hoping to reply after I saw or did not see my money returned but so many questions came up between my last reply I thought maybe make my reply and walk away to due date. I will not reply till then so don’ t bother egging me on as I have been more than fair – overall on this situation.

Thanks to the people who agree with my side.
I also understand the opposition, but I see no reason for name calling, as I did not treat anyone here like that.

PS: Just read what Davey said about helping out with some people, after I wrote all this, I do not know what can be done to reassure me that things can work out, maybe PM or email me or state it here the conditions, that I can feel assured I will not go through another bad situation. Not saying anything against you so don’t take it that way.

Tony Pharosx…………..In the Canadian BOI it specifies to end each post with the name.

 

[Jim O]

Jeez Tony....there is no CITES because the deal is dead, not the other way around. How dense can you be? It's obvious to most everyone reading this thread that it was dead last October. And CITES paperwork needs to be completed by the exporter and should accompany the animal(s) during shipping. You, as a Canadian, cannot get US CITES paperwork for a US exporter. He needs to do it himself.

Do you even read what other people write? Want to sound a bit less ignorant? Start with this. For the second time it's CITES not CITIES.

Look at their web site at http://www.cites.org from which I quote:

What is CITES?



CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) is an international agreement between Governments. Its aim is to ensure that international trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten their survival.

Widespread information nowadays about the endangered status of many prominent species, such as the tiger and elephants, might make the need for such a convention seem obvious. But at the time when the ideas for CITES were first formed, in the 1960s, international discussion of the regulation of wildlife trade for conservation purposes was something relatively new. With hindsight, the need for CITES is clear. Annually, international wildlife trade is estimated to be worth billions of dollars and to include hundreds of millions of plant and animal specimens. The trade is diverse, ranging from live animals and plants to a vast array of wildlife products derived from them, including food products, exotic leather goods, wooden musical instruments, timber, tourist curios and medicines. Levels of exploitation of some animal and plant species are high and the trade in them, together with other factors, such as habitat loss, is capable of heavily depleting their populations and even bringing some species close to extinction. Many wildlife species in trade are not endangered, but the existence of an agreement to ensure the sustainability of the trade is important in order to safeguard these resources for the future.

Because the trade in wild animals and plants crosses borders between countries, the effort to regulate it requires international cooperation to safeguard certain species from over-exploitation. CITES was conceived in the spirit of such cooperation. Today, it accords varying degrees of protection to more than 30,000 species of animals and plants, whether they are traded as live specimens, fur coats or dried herbs.

CITES was drafted as a result of a resolution adopted in 1963 at a meeting of members of IUCN (The World Conservation Union). The text of the Convention was finally agreed at a meeting of representatives of 80 countries in Washington DC., United States of America, on 3 March 1973, and on 1 July 1975 CITES entered in force.

CITES is an international agreement to which States (countries) adhere voluntarily. States that have agreed to be bound by the Convention ('joined' CITES) are known as Parties. Although CITES is legally binding on the Parties – in other words they have to implement the Convention – it does not take the place of national laws. Rather it provides a framework to be respected by each Party, which has to adopt its own domestic legislation to ensure that CITES is implemented at the national level.

For many years CITES has been among the conservation agreements with the largest membership, with now 167 Parties.

 

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

Jim...no offense but I made a typo on CITES, sorry but I do not think I deserve your comments over it.

I am told I can import the boa, from that - that is the reason I said I can try with some help. And the deal is broken as of May 14 - 16, 2005 because Mark said he will refund me....end of story not the way you understand it.

No need to contest what I know, it is not easy to type everything out and have it explained as it can take pages to explain it. The fact the second payment was accepted means this deal is still alive till May 16, 2005 promised payment. The only reason it will not complete before the hassle and the bOI is because Mark can' t get the second CITES back after he destroyed the first version and because they or he has no idea where it is.

I know I said I would not reply but coming on after my last reply and insulting me on a typo and my understanding of the deal, shows you are you are very wrong on the facts.

I had enough of this already, due date is near.....but I still lost a year and some months over his mistakes not mine.

Tony Pharosx

 

[Greg Riso]

Mark's Integrity

and name could be repaired if he were to follow through with the deal but as Jim said, "the deal is dead." Why is the deal dead? Solely because Mark killed it. As far as I can see, Tony did everything by the numbers and more to make things work.
At this point I'll be surprised if the money's actually returned tomorrow since there's no evidence that a refund has actually been initiated. Funny coincidence one person is willing to wait until Wednesday for payment to clear before passing judgement. Is this because he knows something we don't? Like maybe Mark is camped out at the bank door ready to make payment first thing in the morning but it may still take that long to process?
Even if Mark were willing to resurrect the deal I think the only way he could get that animal safely to Canada is if he put it in his pocket and drove it across the border. CITES paperwork certainly does not appear to be one of his areas of expertise. Let's see now, sunglow = BCC and when was the damned thing born again?.....freaking duh!
And btw Tony, you made a that CITIES typo 18 times in your last post lol.

 

[Jim O]

Tony,

You've been making that same typo since the beginning of the thread. I pointed it out to you in post #51 and you ignored it. Now when you did it umpteen times in post #151 I pointed it out to you again. This time I went to the source in the hope that maybe you might actually read what someone else actually wrote here.

 

[ravensgait]

Just thought I'd add my 1/2 cents worth on this mess. As far as this deal goes legally once a contract is entered it can not be changed unless both parties agree to the changes. As far as Mark canceling this contract (I really doubt that there was any wording in this contract for canceling it) legally Tony owns whatever percentage of the animal he has already paid for, I've heard 80 percent mentioned. If it's 80 then when Mark sells this animal he owes Tony 80 percent(or whatever it is) of the amount he makes on the sale which is over the amount he agreed to sell it to Tony for. And no it doesn't work the same way if Mark takes a loss on the animal as he was the one who broke the deal Tony is entitled to no less than he paid and his percentage of the profit of any sale. If Mark were to say he wanted to just keep the animal he would still owe Tony the percentage of the fair market value of the animal over the the price that it was being sold to Tony for.

Tony is owed this animal if not then he is owed for it's current value.

Seems to me Marks best bet would be to get his butt in gear and get the guy his snake. If this went to small claims he'd be liable for the current price of the animal and all fees incurred by Tony to settle the matter.

Like I said my half cents worth. Randy

 

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

Ravensgait.....I agree with you.

But the hassle getting this boa, and now my refund....I highly doubt Mark is a stand up guy to pay me any percentage of the sale of that boa.

The right thing to do is that, but so far his way of doing things just don' t apply to anything right.

NOTE....eveyone else, sorry I spelt CITES wrong, I do most of my threads on "WORD" so I don' t lose my typing due to failure on posting it due to a press wrong button or internet crash or whatever. That being said I made a mistake saving CITIES as the right way to spell in it WORD, so sorry. But I do not always use spell check so please understand.

Tony Pharosx

 

[Mickey_TLK]

I do not know any more then what was said in regards to the refund.

Also the refund was supposed to be sent prior to me speaking with Mark (atleast thats the timeline I see if I go back). So no Greg, I dont have any further inside information.

Davey

I asked Mark the following

"Do you even own a Motley"

He responded "NO"

Now if its proven this is false, so be it.

Again I have never said I 100% agree with what has happened here.

If things that were told to me are proven to be false, I will be the first to admit it. To this point, I believe Mark.

My opinion of the way things went down (based on nothing more then my opinion and the "facts" that I have been told and iluded to here)

I think Mark agreed to a deal in the start out of need of cash. He accepted a partial payment based on that fact, but the buyer sent the payment knowing this fact.

I think Mark soon got cold feet about sending a boa across borders without full payment. I believe Mark attempted atleast once to get the proper paperwork for the shpment, something that shows he intended to sell the snake to Tony (just as the deposit shows that Tony intended to buy the snake from Mark).

I think at some point, Mark gained more information from people whom he trusts, and will NOT likely name (and yes that sucks for the rest of us), that gave him even colder feet.

NOW to this point Id like to say the following. If you friend "x" person tells you that "y" person may be or is up to no good in regards to payments on animals, do you give up "x" person. Not likely, what if person "y" decides to use your statements to not pay person "x", kinda a jerk move on your part towards person "x" isnt it. To this point I have given Mark the benifit of the doubt. I hope to find a way to verify this information third party myself, but that could be tricky, but I to would LOVE to know for sure.

At this point in the deal, it all become opinions based on how you feel about all of the above. If you BELIEVE Mark, then you can understand his desire to back out of the deal.

If you dont believe Mark, its VERY EASY to believe he has decided to back out of the deal to make more money on the snake elsewhere.

I belive Mark currently, not much more to say. For the last time, I will say MARK IS NOT UNFLAWED IN THIS DEAL. I cant say I would have handled it this way, and boy its hard with all the facts to defend that he has. But I am giving him, based on my experience in dealing with him, the benifit of the doubt.

Maybe I shouldnt have called Tony a lying POS, for that TONY I AM SORRY. I still have not seen where Mark has said TONY YOU HAVE TO PAY 3000$ MORE IF YOU WANT THIS SNAKE. (Yes I DO understand its claimed to have been said on the phone). Yes it was in POOR TASTE that Mark notes the value of the snake, a number of times. Yes this would easily lead one to assume hes changeing the deal because of this. Mark has told me this is not true, and currently I BELIEVE HIM.

Anyways, I have tons of things to feed, and clean, ect. I have wasted more then enough of my time on this thread. Boy I sure hope the money atleast arrives tommorow, alot of crow to eat should it not.

 

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

As I ststed before in these last 2 weeks most of the communication with Mark was via phone as he would not reply to my emails, maybe he felt getting it in writing would later be useful to me....who knows.

But I always write emails after a phone call just so there are no mistakes in communication. Mark could have replied to them saying "hey this is not right or whatever" but did not. What I have proven so far shows what everyone sees a deal he can not follow through on. Not once did he email me or phone me saying "hey I heard things about you, we got to end this deal with a refund". So anyone saying he is backing out because of that is just wasting people' s time with gibberish. So stop turning this on me. I understand your his friend, and you do business with him....its in your best interest to support him, we all know that as a fact. And I don' t blame you, (we) may never do any business together but why burn any business you plan with Mark in the future - right!

Well enough about that....as I said the topic is going off topic but here comes more proof. Again Mark did not reply but he could have, I gave him more than enough chances to reply to emails.

MAY 19, 2005

MAY 24, 2005

MAY 25, 2005

MAY 26, 2005

After I was able to access my laptop for these, I had to upload them today.

Well that is it for now, enough time on this for today, bye.

PS...on a funny note on Kingsnake, Mark is known as the Kingpin and here as well. If I remember right - wasn' t there a Kingpin in Spiderman cartoons, and he was known as a theif besides many other things negative. Well maybe the name fits hey Mark.

Tony Pharosx

 

[KingPin]

The only promise in those emails tony is that i was going to refund your money, i told you i was waiting on funds to be transfered into my account and that once i had those funds, I would send them to you, i was not trying to make excuses or delay your funds, i simply didn't have the funds until Friday at 3pm when they were wired into my account.

I apologize to you for this not working out the way either of us had planned, I never should have agreed to the original deal and then should never amended it without getting proper documentation regarding the addition of the animals and the additional costs. I am a small breeder that is still kind of new to all this, the sunglows were the first major litter i had ever produced. I was not really ready for the quick sales and all the extras involved in such high demand litter. I have learned alot from this last year and will do my best not to make those same mistakes again

I do want to make it clear, i never tried to pressure tony into paying more for the animal than the originally agreed amount, the only additional costs were plainly stated in the emails. I might have mentioned the fact that the animal was worth more, but only to make a point that the animal could easily sell if he did not want to pay her off before shipping. Essentially in that email I was giving Tony the ultimatum of either paying the animal off before shipping or I would cancel the deal andrefund his money. At that time tony sent me the second payment of the money.

I made mistakes on this deal, i apologize to you for that Tony, that however does not give you the right to call me a thief, i have not stolen anything from you, and you are getting you refund on Tuesday as the bank teller told you.

I also want to make clear, i do not have a motley and have not spent any cash on one as of yet, i told tony that I was waiting on funds to transfer in my account, he made the comment that he had told people he was sending them money already and needed the money right then, I simply commented That i also had people waiting on money , that i too had promised people cash, I was in the process of buying a motley, i never said I had already bought one. I have had to put that on hold in order to pay Tony first, that was not the only deal i had to put on hold. Again I'm not making excuses, I'm just telling you what happened.

I have had many offers to buy the sunglow, i have turned them all down, If i was truly just interested in making more money on the snake i could have done so already many times. That is not my intentions, I am not backing out of this deal in order to get a free loan, or make more money on a snake now that it is worth more. I am simply calling off a deal i should have never entered into in the first place due to some information I received from a valued fellow breeder and the way things were going with Tony at that time in our deal.

I again apologize for all this mess, I made a mistake agreeing to the deal, I made a mistake not having his refund ready when it was needed.