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Okay so i am new to the whole idea of possibly turning a joy of mine into a business venture. I am currently looking at the market to try and figure out the general costs associated with a reptile breeding venture. I want to get a average cost of breeding from a yearly stand point.

Such as some of the following:
Cost of food.
Cost of utilities.
Cost of rental space for the breeding venture if used.
Is it cheaper to breed the food or purchase online?
If cheaper to breed what are the added costs over food production leves?

If anyone could just answer a single one of these questions it will help me average out a rough estimate for what i am looking to do.
Thanks in advance,
Joe Harris.
 
I think the answer to any of your questions are nearly impossible to obtain without more info... For example, what type of food are you going to need? If your feeders are crickets or worms, vs jumbo rats/rabbits, there is a VAST difference in production cost...

Also, utility cost and space is going to depend a lot on the species you're planning on working with... obviously a breeding group of crested geckos is going to be a lot less expensive to house than a full scale reticulated python breeding project...

I'd be happy to help out, but I'm not sure exactly what your objective is... so I feel like anything I would say would/could be inaccurate...
 
I apologize for bein so vague.. what I am trying to accomplish is gathered information for a small scale breeding op for ball pythons. I want to expand my options later on to multiple species of reptiles but for simplicity sake.. I will keep it too one I am looking to have a collection of 20-40 ball pythong range starting over the next 3 years or so...
 
You can do 30-40 BPs in a single room - even allowing space for hatchling racks - though you'll need to set aside other space for a quarantine area (unless you are going to buy out an existing collection, then not add to it - other than with babies you produce). Most use heated racks, but supplemental room/area heat is a necessity for many of us. Startup costs would vary, depending on whether you plan to make your own racks or purchase them, and the particular animals you purchase; heating options, etc.

I personally dislike breeding rodents, but it is almost a necessity if you are breeding BPs...unless you have a reliable local source. Getting baby BPs started on f/t is a difficult option - this from an adamant f/t feeder.
I use a few thousand dollars worth of frozen feeders, annually...in addition to what I breed myself. If I kept just BPs, and in the numbers you are planning, I'd probably consider breeding my own. If you go with that option, you'll also need to consider the cost of rodent racks AND where you are going to put them...as well as the possibility of needing additional ventilation. You'll also want to have space for storage of food and substrate...and consider how you will dispose of the waste (old bedding, primarily...but the volume adds up quickly).
 
Well Harald.. that's kinda what my point of this thread is to see what people have paid for their set ups. Such as the pricing vedrsus purchased over homemade racks. Plus the cost of heating supplies and so on and so forth associated with it. I have done some web searching and stuff to try and find some information basded on what i am looking to do but it kind of is a lot for me to find all of the associated cost versus what might be beneficial to make the process easier for me. I and just using this as an oppourtunity to get some insight from more established breeders.
 
Okay so i am new to the whole idea of possibly turning a joy of mine into a business venture. I am currently looking at the market to try and figure out the general costs associated with a reptile breeding venture. I want to get a average cost of breeding from a yearly stand point.

Such as some of the following:
Cost of food.
Cost of utilities.
Cost of rental space for the breeding venture if used.
Is it cheaper to breed the food or purchase online?
If cheaper to breed what are the added costs over food production leves?

If anyone could just answer a single one of these questions it will help me average out a rough estimate for what i am looking to do.
Thanks in advance,
Joe Harris.

I have to admit that I am puzzled by your query here. You state that you have a "joy of mine" that you wish to turn into a business. Well, don't you already KNOW some of these answers based on what you are already having to spend for the animals you now have? Or am I missing something basic here? :shrug01:
 
Rich.. at this current point i own 2 ball pythons.. nothing susbstantial that really tells me what cost of owning quantities larger than that amount would incurs over a year of operation. I am just working towards not setting myself up for failure. I know now that my questions are confusing now. So I can try and just sum it up into one question to encompass the overall idea of what i am trying to get out of this.

My main goal of this threads is to find out the cost of running a breeding operation, so that I can figure out how large I want to go with it to begin.

This way I can plan in the relative ballpark of what its gonna cost me in startup followed by the running costs. This way I can have the monetary ability to successfully get through the first year of operation.

Thats the best I can explain at this point.. if no one is understanding the idea of what i am asking, I will just abandon this question and coninue to figure blind as to what I will need.

Sorry again for confusion.
 
Why go from 2 ball pythons to a "breeding operation"? Enjoy your snakes, learn about them...get a new one or three every now and then. You'll enjoy yourself a lot more, and deal with a lot less anxiety and stress, in the long run.

There is a LOT of competition, the economy is weak, and the demand is down...especially relative to the supply. Get your knowledge and experience, and try to get your name out there. Let things fall into place, do a little breeding, make some sales...see if it's something you really want to a) stay involved in, and b) invest that kind of money in. Most of the people that jump in to that level of things right off the bat are gone in 2-3 yrs.
 
Darn phone. I understand what you are saying. Though this includes all of my passions in life. Love business. I love reptiles. I don't plan on "jumping" in I as well don't plan on going huge right away. That's why i said 20- 40 over the next three years or so. I am just trying to get somethings down in my nimd about the average cost of running a breeding operation to better my knowledge on the costs. This is in no means a get the general idea and jump in.. i am far too calculated. To do that lol but it is something i have been looking into over the past 4 years as to weather or not it would be something I would be capable of handeling. This is more of a brainstorming kind of thing. I only have numbers to look at and my ideas that are just that ideas. I want to hear from someone with first hand the cost they encounter with their business... Just an attempt to better my knowledge of the business because i do enjoy every aspect of raising and caring for my two that i currently have.
 
And i do apologive for some of the bad grammar and spelling mistakes. My phone has an auto correct function and thinks it knows what I am thinking... And it fails.
 
Well, I go through a few thousand dollars worth of frozen feeders yearly (+ another source, + whatever I breed myself).
Probably somewhere in the range of $400-500 annually for aspen, maybe another $250 for the paper I use in my bigger cages.
Electricity - I couldn't begin to guess, lol. I've been doing this so long, I don't remember electric bills without snake stuff.
Water - I'd say that my 40-50% of my water consumption is hobby related (so your water bill will nearly double).
Racks - depends entirely on what you like. DIY stuff is fine, I moved 100% to plastics a few years ago...probably cost me $4-5000 to replace my melamine racks, and I've been putting off another hatchling rack that I really do need.
 
Thank you Harald. That's the basic idea I am looking to get.. so how large of a collection do you have? And do you focus primarily on BPs or do you have other types in your collection?
 
Ball pythons are hard to come out on top, because the market is so over saturated with them. They're a dime a dozen, just like how veilds are to the cham market. You might make a profit if you specialize in certain traits/morphs/strains but that means putting money down on an expensive pair and hoping it pays off with all you've invested in it. If you're doing it with money in mind, I would look towards other herps that are more valued, but if you're doing it with no care if you make money or lose money, well then go for it. But breeding to make bank on ball pythons isn't necessarily a sure thing, especially if you don't have an established network or name out there.


I apologize for bein so vague.. what I am trying to accomplish is gathered information for a small scale breeding op for ball pythons. I want to expand my options later on to multiple species of reptiles but for simplicity sake.. I will keep it too one I am looking to have a collection of 20-40 ball pythong range starting over the next 3 years or so...
 
The questions you are asking are basic business questions. Many of the answers would be directly related to your area, the deals you can negotiate with suppliers, overhead costs, market analysis, and so on. If running a business is your goal then you need to approach it from that stand point. A good start is developing a business plan which would include a projected market analysis and overhead expenses.

The kind of operation you are talking about would probably be very expensive. To rent a commercial building alone can run between $1200-$5000 a month depending on location and where not talking about huge buildings with those numbers. To figure utility costs you would have to determine the number of animals to be kept, type of enclosures, heating system, and so on. You would then need to add to this air conditioning, lighting, hot water usage, and so on. Convert the total wattage to kilowatt hours and multiply by the energy providers rate. Your water and sewage use shouldn't exceed what is included in the base rate but you never know. If you operate out of a commercial building you will also have to figure for a dumpster. In my area the run between $300-$1500 depending on size and/or frequency of service.

Feeders will depend on the number and age of the animals housed. You will never nail an exact number on this because you have no way of knowing how many animals you will produce a year. Cleaning supplies, substrate, caging, and so on will also have to be figured as estimated costs not based actual numbers.

The ball python market is a gamble at best. Just because you invest in the rarest morph now does not mean you will get any return on it by the time you get it to produce. Research trends and figure for a depreciation of at least 15% per year from the market cost you acquired the animals at. If they maintain the value that is extra profit if not you knew what to expect.

A small operation of 20-40 snakes is probably best done from your home. This will reduce your fixed costs dramatically and allow you to maximize your profit early on. That means you will have more money to invest back into the business to grow it. Remember that you need to figure that a minimum of 9% of your companies gross annual income for advertising preferably you should set aside 30%.

You will have other sources of overhead to figure as well such as shipping supplies, website fees, business license (if required), accounting fees, bank fees, office supplies, postage, phone, internet access, accounting software (your accountant will most likely require you to track costs in quick books pro) and so on. You may want to consider reading a basic business book or taking a class at a community college to better prepare you for determining what your start up and maintenance costs will be. You can also hire companies to assist you in developing a business plan and mode catered to your specific needs.
 
Thank you very much for the information.. I am going to take business courses at a local community college. I will also be doing a business plan. I as well will most likely not be staying with just ball pythons as the only herp I will produce. It's just a start for planning right now.
 
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