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Matt Bruner of MB Reptiles.... Professional all the way!

Matt,

I am being adult about it. I have not said anything out of line.

Please go back and read my posts though and answer my questions. Or are you dodging them?
 
I am not trying to dodge any questions... Just tired of typing about the same thing. I was not referring to you personally. Call me and I can answer all your questions.


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Oh yeah and as far as him not indulging me in chat, because of him not likeing all of this drama. This drama would not exist if you would prove he exists.

But I can clearly see your not even caring to do so. So i will chalk it up in my book as this person doe snot exist, and that these are imported mangroves. Since you nor he needs new buyers i am sure you wont mind.
 
Yea Mark probably calld you liar because he has no time for nonesense. He's too busy gathering and publishing varanid FACTS and for a good reason


So you'll only give proof to those who want

to buy? Who are those? Those that don't know better?

So whos this well established,yet unkown breeder hovering high upon the California hills? Must be a God of sorts. He's unreachable yet hes got the midas touch and , well established too.
 
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I am not trying to dodge any questions... Just tired of typing about the same thing. I was not referring to you personally. Call me and I can answer all your questions.
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Well, some answers to the questions posted would be nice. The problem people have with people who want to talk over the phone is that their comments are not down for all to see in black and white.

I don't see why any communication cannot be posted here for all to see?


So whos this well established,yet unkown breeder hovering high upon the California hills? Must be a God of sorts. He's unreachable yet hes got the midas touch and , well established too.
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Well, untill a name is provide....this person does not exist.

He CAN get pictures of the parents, but not of the eggs because his "guy" doesn't advertise and has no need of egg pics (or the need to PROVE anything).... I can totally understand that....
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The comment above by Neil Gubitz is why people are having a hard time with this.... pics of the parents, but not of the eggs...how convenient. No documented facts! People want to see facts, not stories!

This is why there is a load of suspicion.
 
Neil Gubitz said:

As far as the fecals go, my buddy next door has a son who's really into biology, and he has a microscope.... I literally take a fecal sample over and *I* look at it through the microscope (as any Vet would).... if I see ANYTHING moving around, I take that animal straight to a REAL Vet for diagnosis and medication (if any is needed)....

I ALWAYS change my ad to make it right....Neil
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I'm curious again neil. How long has it been your procedure to take those fecals next door to "look at it through the microscope (as any Vet woud)" and are you able to identifiy eggs and egg cases from all the parasites that could possibly be present in animals that come from all over the world?

Wow, that would really take some training. I did take a parasite identification course offered by a reptile vet out here and I was simply AMAZED at the amount of parasites there were and how many different forms some of them took. And sometimes you don't see adults and sometimes you don't see eggs and egg cases together, it's one or the other.

If you can tell if a reptile is parasitically infected just by looking at the feces, not even needing to do a float, you are truly an amazing man.


Matt, the timing is really amazing. Most people take pictures of the eggs and the eggs when they are hatching, after all, as breeders that's the BEST moment of all for most of us. Are you SURE your friend is SO humble that he has NO pictures of ANY of his eggs hatching? Seems really strange to me.

Wes Pollock
 
I am confused.. Neil posted a good guy post.. then 9 pages of an unrelated inquiry to this post.

The others posting.. from what I can tell.. have never done any business with Matt and have started an inquiry that has absolutely nothing to do publicly posted on the BOI. If you guys question the validity of his claims.. do it in private.. I don't see how anything you guys are saying can fit into a GoodGuy/BadGuy/Inquiry post here.

You don't believe that what he is saying is the truth.. great.. you are entitled to your opinions. Honestly.. if you were doing this for your income.. and you have a source that is giving you high quality herps at a great price... would you tell the entire internet community this persons name? No.. you would not. Also...how many people here have bought herps from people for great deals.. in which the person said 'Don't tell anyone I got you this deal or I will have to give it to everyone'.

If Matt wants to keep his supplier private.. then he is allowed to do so. Sounds like Al is on a personal vendeta because he himself cannot breed these monitors. Does Matt deserve to be beat on here about his supplier that he is choosing to keep private? No.
 
scott, if this were the middle of december and they were being offerec when there were NOT tons of IMPORTED babies out there then I think this would not be the issue it is.

Even you must admit that a nice fresh from the wild baby looks JUST LIKE a captive bred and hatched baby.

Too coincidental with the facts as they are to be taken at face value and that deal is just a tad too good. How does that saying go, if it sounds TOO good to be true it PROBABLY is......

Wes Pollock
 
CB?

What it comes down to is this........are they captive born or not. No facts have yet been supplied to prove they are CB

What does that have to do with a good or bad post, well, there is a big difference between captive born and wild caught!

People don't want to be thinking they are getting CB and infact they are getting wc

Some pics of eggs hatching would be enough for me to believe they are captive born!
 
ScottsReptiles said:
I am confused.. Neil posted a good guy post.. then 9 pages of an unrelated inquiry to this post.

The others posting.. from what I can tell.. have never done any business with Matt and have started an inquiry that has absolutely nothing to do publicly posted on the BOI. If you guys question the validity of his claims.. do it in private.. I don't see how anything you guys are saying can fit into a GoodGuy/BadGuy/Inquiry post here.

You don't believe that what he is saying is the truth.. great.. you are entitled to your opinions. Honestly.. if you were doing this for your income.. and you have a source that is giving you high quality herps at a great price... would you tell the entire internet community this persons name? No.. you would not. Also...how many people here have bought herps from people for great deals.. in which the person said 'Don't tell anyone I got you this deal or I will have to give it to everyone'.

If Matt wants to keep his supplier private.. then he is allowed to do so. Sounds like Al is on a personal vendeta because he himself cannot breed these monitors. Does Matt deserve to be beat on here about his supplier that he is choosing to keep private? No.
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You may correct in some of what you are saying. BUT if mangroves are really that hard to breed than it would stand to reason people would really want to know if they are CB or not.
I can definitely see the importance of this.
Also, I have gotten good deals from breeders that say don't tell.
I DONT tell the price, but I do give the breeder praise for the nice animals I received.
I have yet to run across a breeder that told me not to tell ANYONE who bred this.
 
Scott,
Im not on a personal vendetta.Why would I be? I'm not even working with mangroves anymore, although I am still working with other indo species. I would love to be told wrong. It would be great if these were true CB. After all thats what we're all after.


As far as him not giving away his contact, thats fine. But someone who is breeding these would be taking pictures of the eggs and hatchings. No doubt in my mind they would. Its a great accomplishment. It would seem trivial though for a person, that has no clue on this species.

Again calling something true cb, yet not being able to back it up. I'd bet all my money theyre imports
 
This will be my last post about this! If you all think I am not giving my friend "credit" then fine. I think personally that it is keeping my contacts private. Besides that, he does not want credit, he just wants to be able to pay his bills and go home to his wife and kid. I asked him what he thought and he said "Now you know why I don't deal with anyone on the internet". I completely understand why now! He also told me straight up, that he does not want anything to do with this. Nor does he want his name in this because he doesn't want all of you people calling and bugging him. He is not trying to write a book, or teach people. He is in this to give his family a roof over there heads. So please leave it alone. I WILL NOT GIVE YOU MY CONNECTIONS! If I did that I would not be able to pay my BILLS! As for proof. My friend doesn't need to prove anything. Everyone that buys from him trusts him. If you don't trust me, don't buy from me. I am not here to rip you off, take your money and run, or lie to you. I am trying to make a living out of this. Do you really think I would try to screw people if I am in this for the long run? Neil is happy with the animals, he told me himself that they look great. I have spent so much time on this that it was not worth the money I made off it. You all sure know how to take the enjoyment out of reptiles!

Scott Axel,

I appreciate your comments about this. I believe you are the only one that understands what is going on. Have a good day!
 
By the way. Just because some of you have tried to produce something and can't do it, doesn't mean that it can't be done or hasn't been done. Maybe you should spend more time working with your reptiles and not accusing other people because of your jelousy or whatever it may be.
 
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You may correct in some of what you are saying. BUT if mangroves are really that hard to breed than it would stand to reason people would really want to know if they are CB or not.
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Exactly, you the buyer want proof that what you are getting is really what it is made out to be.

You all sure know how to take the enjoyment out of reptiles!
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Part of the enjoyment is making sure you get what you paid for. I'm sorry if you think that trying to verify something is bad news, but I can't help that.



By the way. Just because some of you have tried to produce something and can't do it, doesn't mean that it can't be done or hasn't been done. Maybe you should spend more time working with your reptiles and not accusing other people because of your jelousy or whatever it may be.
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No it doesn't mean it can't has not been done, you are 100% correct. I'd just like to see a few pics that could be emailed or printed out and sent you to show us. All I want to see is a few pics or even just one!

You sold these to someone who is just a re-seller. He doesn't care if they are or are not CB. But his advert shows them as CB and he cannot back that up without something to show for it.
 
CB, CH or CBB

Isn't this the proper way to display a herp as captive born, hatched or captive bred: CB = Captive Born, CH = Captive Hatched, CBB = Captive Bred & Born or Hatched?

You can get an import (WC) in that is gravid, lay eggs then the eggs hatch and you have CH babies.
 
CBB

CBB would be the right choice for the claim being made here, but it was never used from the start of this thread!

If I said you are claiming these to be captive born and bred, someonce could say I never said they were!

Just a wrong choice of wording by Nel Gubitz!
 
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What does that have to do with a good or bad post, well, there is a big difference between captive born and wild caught!

People don't want to be thinking they are getting CB and infact they are getting wc
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The thing is.. the people asking for the most proof are not involved in the transaction at all!

Wes... it makes sense.. but.. there is no proof they are wild caught either..... but.. its all just speculation
 
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Wes... it makes sense.. but.. there is no proof they are wild caught either..... but.. its all just speculation
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Yep, you're right!

It is speculation. It just makes me think twice about something when the party that sold them is unwilling to show any photos of eggs hatching OR any proof whatsoever.

What's funny about the advert on KS is that neil is advertizing them as CB which paints a picture in people's mind that the animal was a gravid import and he is selling the offspring.

CBB is what I think he really means, either that or he doesn't know the difference between cb and cbb?

I am looking to get into water monitors, so this thread does interest me a great deal. If in fact proof can be provided that they are CBB.... I would also like to get one in about a month from now. Then I can get an import and have an unrelated pair.
 
Scott,

Does it not strike you as odd, when you write, "The thing is.. the people asking for the most proof are not involved in the transaction at all!"???

If those not involved in the transaction should not be asking for proof, why is it any better for those who were not involved to chastise those asking for proof? It just seems ironic to me.

The fact of the matter is that people will either believe Matt, or they will not. If not, they will not buy those animals, regardless of the price being asked. If they do, they will feel as though they have gotten a great deal. Without proof, there is no way to know, one way or the other. Some will be satisfied, many others will not.


Neil,

If I were you (not that you care what I think in the slightest, I'm sure), I would hold a higher standard for advertisement than what you have set forth for yourself in this thread. Simply being told animals are cb is not enough to put your name on the line, in my opinion. In this case, I would have stated "The person from whom I purchased these animals (whom I have no reason to doubt!) says that these animals are cb." That would have put you in the clear, while attesting to your faith in Matt's representation of what you were offering.

We all need to take care not to misrepresent our offered animals (whether purposefully or otherwise) when we make our ads. Yes, it may very well be a simple mistake or a case of misplaced trust. However, ANYTIME . . . ANYONE gets ripped off, we ALL suffer from the addition of one more potentially satisfied herp hobbyist being added to the growing list of people who believe they can trust NONE of us!


By the way, Scott,

THAT'S why this sort of thing concerns us all, regardless of whether any one of us were involved in a deal for these animals or not. For good or bad, this community continues to rely on each individual to help shape the face we present to the world of potential customers.
 
Darin.... You're wrong.... I ALWAYS value INTELLIGENT criticism.... the FACT is, that, this afternoon, I SOLD the pair, and I told the new owner EXACTLY THIS....

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I would have stated "The person from whom I purchased these animals (whom I have no reason to doubt!) says that these animals are cb.".... and I added, "In the US"!!
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Just for the record, though.... IF I was going to redo the ad IF they didn't sell, I would have used that phrase (above) AND put CBB (which I should have used originally, I KNOW the difference)....

Neil
 
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