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Matt White Warning!!

Justin Mitcham

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Few weeks ago I traded this guy 1.1 red het for albino hogs for a snake I wanted in person at a show. Today while strolling through the classifieds on kingsnake I noticed he was selling two females hets claiming they came from me and that they were Extremes. I called this guy and asked him where they came from without introducing myself, he began to tell me that he had traded ME for the two females. This is not the case and seems to me an outright fabrication. He got a pair only, he knew it was a pair and I sexed both animals right in front of him, the male was popped and there is no way it was missexed. The one female came from me but the second female did not, it is very obvious that the second female is a normal colored animal unrelated to my animals, I picked out the animals I traded him and remember clearly what I gave him. The second female does not have a hint of red coloration. On the phone I also explained that the female he did get from me will produce red albino's when bred to the het male but not Red Extremes so advertising it as a Extreme Red het albino was not accurate. I asked him to pull the ad and relist it appropriately, then I ended the conversation. A few hours later I re-checked kingsnake and seen the ad is still listed. I emailed him again asking him to pull it. He has yet to pull the ad or reply. Due to this I feel I need to post this warning. I do not want his angry customer to come my way in two years blaming me for this. Any Extreme hets that come from me come with a signed photo certificate guaranteeing the genetics and this guarantee is transferable as long as this certificate accompanies the animals.
 
Thanks for keeping the reptile community informed Justin. I am glad to see an honest herper who keeps track of his business! Kudos!
 
I dont live around a computer. I am sorry I did not change it immediately. I have had classes all day. I told you I was going to change it I dont know why you even posted this crap. I have called you and left a recording I hope you can call me back so we can talk about this. This is the most ridiculous immature crap I have ever heard of. I told you everything on the phone and you still posted this. I dont get it. I feel cheated I thought those where produced by your male that you had on the table. Sorry for the MISUNDERSTANDING. Call me no need to post because I will not post on this thread again.
Matt White
 
My male Extreme red albino did father the babies, but that doesn't mean they are Extremes. In order to be extremes they must be visually extreme red. The pair I traded was a pair of red het for albino's. BTW YOU feel cheated..the snake I traded for was listed on your table at 150.00, mine 250-500ea!! I offered you a female red het for the female king as an even trade due to the fact the were straight out of the egg and haven't fed yet(My male was used on a breeder loan and I picked up the babies at the show). You wanted a het male as well and I had an abundance of males so I threw one in TO BE NICE. Tell you what.. send the pair back and you can have your 150.00 kingsnake back.
Also Matt the reason why I got off the phone so quick was because of the stench of BS. So there's no need for further conversation between you and I , no amount of excuses will change my mind. I posted this post as a warning, 30 seconds of listening you explain how you traded me for the two females made me nauseated, quite funny too since you had no clue who I was. After thinking about this for a couple hours I am quite convinced you were trying to scam people using my animals.
Is this what your saying...
That you traded me for a pair...and they somehow turned into two females?
Or you mixed them up? and forgot it was a pair etc...???
No matter what the excuse it doesn't float...ESPECIALLY after reading the other thread on the BOI where you took a 66% het then advertised it as 100% het and got busted for doing so...Coincidence??? Accident??? LOL !!! This is your M.O. plain and simple...
Do things the right way and this wouldn't of happened.
 
OK Josh I have to ask,, have you done business with him before??

I guess my comments to Matt above hit a nerve as he graced me with such a nice PM to thank me..Randy
 
I could kick myself for not doing a search in the Scott Serpent’s thread on Matt, when he posted there. But none the less, as Matt stated in the email he sent to James on the link posted in this thread. “ The reptile circuit is small”. I couldn’t agree more.

 
wow... I cant even believe the emails this kid wrote back in that other thread. Unbelieveable! Its like a person is working with an angsty 15 year old, and nothing is anyones fault! Booo! Horrendous Customer Service!!

You wont get far in this world with that kind of additude Matt. Make it right, your name will be tarnished but at least you can say you made good of the situation youre currently in....
 
Update

Here's a little update on how this Matt has been behaving...

Despite the fact I have told him I do not want to speak with him he has been calling my place all hours of the day and night making vulgar threats of how he will see me at a show etc..
Personally I can't wait...
This guy is a complete crook , he thinks he can make excuses for being caught lying. And now he is trying to intimidate me into silence.
One thing he fails to understand is that I am not the only one who can Identify these animals. A good friend of mine used my male on a breeder loan and dropped off the babies at the show. The animal he had pictured on his ad has a double row of abberrant dorsal markings and yellow highlights. It would stand out in any clutch and I as well as my friend would of easily noticed it. But this animal did not come from any of our clutches...I would not of traded him any animal like this especially two females for a 150.00 snake. He must think me I am stupid or something to not notice this.
 
Justin,
You might get a chance to meet Matt.
He has vended at my Richardson and Arlington shows.
I haven't had a problem with him at our shows, but holy cow!, the things people say about him!
Randal
 
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Your not worth the time on the phone, you are a liar and you been
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Look Justin,
I know you wont talk like this to me when you see me so stop acting all big behind your computer. I dont even want to acknowledge you calling me kid that just shows how immature that you are. I wasnt out to screw anyone you are just being silly. I did a little research on you and found out some pretty interesting stuff.
1)An incident with Bob Clark with a snake that had one eye bigger than the other and you wanted a partial refund or trade 2-3 months after the purchase. Could have been a different snake.
2)Terry Walter had a run in with you with some possible het for albino Nelsons. You didnt probe the snakes when you got them and wanted your money back 2 years later at the Houston show when one was a male, that probaly wasnt the same snake, and Terry gave you 300 bucks. Then you tried it again months later and Terry said go screw yourself. By the way Terry says you are an ass and I am an idiot to do business with you because everyone who has done so in the past has been screwed.
3)Jasen S. with USGLOBALEXOTICS. You worked there a couple of years back and had a huge falling out. He told me that you sold animals from under him, cherry picked all of his good stuff, then took them without paying for them. Thats called stealing buddy. He also said that you always try to act like a straight up guy and go crazy when anyone says you are wrong. He also said that you thought you where the GOD of reptiles and knew everything there is to know about every species in the world.
4)Not going to say this guys name but you know who I am talking about. A school teacher in Texas. You and your boyfriend stole a bunch of albino RES and other high end turtles. You and your boyfriend were to split the stolen goods but you exported them all and rear ended your buddy out of all of the profit. After all it was stolen and what could he do call the cops. He also says that you are an ASS.
4)You trade a guy 2 snakes and didnt even know the sex of the snakes. You called the guy a liar then wont even talk to him on the phone so you can work it out like men. I am mad about doing business with you and to boot I gave your girlfriend a free turtle.
5)I heard from a good guy that he heard from Don Shores that he was unsure about doing the breeder loan with you. He will eventually get dicked like everyone who has done business with you.
What is sad is that I have read all of your post and they are all stupid as hell. Its like you like to complain. None of them really make any point.
You are a waste of my time. We could have done this over the phone like gentlemen but you are so quick to think that someone is out to screw you that you wouldnt even listen to me. What comes around goes around and you will get screwed eventually.
I have never threatened you. I just said that I know you will not talk like a bad ass to my face. I think that you just act like a jerk on the phone. If I made a threat you would have known it.
Please grow up and call me if you want to talk this over. Like men.
Matt White
 
LOL

What is this crap I never seen a more ficticious slanderous post...

Let me address these issues...and you should get anyone and everyone who you spoke about to come on here and state the facts...Not fair saying 3rd hand crap that isn't true using other people names...
You want to come on here and try to assasinate my character through lies.. to make yourself look better..

1). Bob and I use to do a bit of buisiness when I was 18...this was like 11 years ago..he sent me a batch of brazilian rainbows one without an eye..I called him the next day and he gave me 50% off...so I don't understand the issue at hand me and Bob have always had good dealings.I guess you called lots of people and tried using whatever you could to make this post...LOL

2).Terry Walter (again when i was like 19 ) I bought a wholes slew of animals from him none of which none proved out and at least 2 females turned out to be males.. I bought 10k worth of stuff from him by that time and was his biggest customer. He didn't think he owed me anything so I never bought from him again..Terry Walters is well known for taking advantage of people. I was an easy niave target at that age.

3).You mean the same Jason Shaw who is being sued by his former employer( Texas Animal Export) I think for embesslement, the same Jason Shaw who was shut down by the CDC for selling sick animals. Love your sources..This guy is one of the worst in the industry, I quite because he sold one of my Tortoises while I was gone!!
With all those animals you had at your table I was thinking you got them from him.BTW tell Jason since he decided to talk crap I will now get involved in that suit and tell them everything I know, which is quite a lot, they have been wanting my help for awhile but I wanted to stay out of it..Pass it along please... I am sure he will be pleased.

4).What the hell are you talking about...I was on the otherside of the state when Gary Housmen stold those turtle from Rick Van Dyke , since he collected turtles for Jasen Shaw( who I was employeed by at the time) at the time he naturally thought they went to Jason and he exported them..You have me confused with someone else and I demand a public appology!!! They caught Gary and his accomplice and both were convicted and the turtles were returned..Those are the facts.. look them up there public record..
BTW I never exported anything until 3-4 years after that..check with USFW dumbass..you have to have permit to export and they keep records, you can request the records through the freedom of info act.

5).Don is a good friend and couldn't be happier with our breeding project!! How would he get screwed I let him have my male and hatch out all the babies...LOL Don can tell you I have been extremely fair and honest with him over the last few years we have known each other.

BTW...how many times have you had to change buisiness names, how many times have you been busted selling fake hets??? Sending people dead animals and then giving them crap about it.
 
BTW I chalenge you to post the same pic you had on kingsnake...Don hatched virtually every hog that was at my table...I am 100% certain do to the odd markings that he can say with 100% certain that is not one of our animals.
Your move buddy...
 
BTW Matt how many dead turtles did your GF throw away at the show, how many did you have pinned and stacked up in filthy diseased water...the smell was horrible..hell ask the Hammocks they were next to you i am sure they saw this crap!! I was appalled.
 
You got busted selling a fake het...I called you on it..posted this post to warn everyone..this isn't about missexing.. This is about you trying to pass off yet another animal as het to make cash..Period your trying to cloud the issue by trying to dig up ancient irrelavent dirt on me...
 
Seems a moot point, but for all readers, KS has a policy of not allowing any ad to contain the name of another business entity without the permission of the named entity. It is enforced by the named entity complaining, and KS will pull the ad pretty quick. Wouldn't have stopped MattsGecko from representing the animals in a new ad, but he would not have been able to use your name doing it.

Victor Matthew White ... a hint from James Michael Francis Flaherty ....... or how about just one idiot to another :) ........ the "best defense is a good offense" is a football thing. Doesn't really score points here. The BOI is a perfect place for "if you have nothing good to say, say nothing" IMMHO.
 
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