David Reid
EmberBall
My thought
GM and Ford do not price their SUV's at $90,000 and call them PorcheISH either.
Dave Reid
GM and Ford do not price their SUV's at $90,000 and call them PorcheISH either.
Dave Reid
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Rob @ RK Reptiles
ballpythonmorphs.net
Dave,
As I said before, it does not matter if you agree nor like the prices I have on any animal I have for sale. They are my animals, itis my buisness and I will price them as I feel fit. I am sorry you can not seem to comprehend that you have no say so in what ANYONE prices an animal at.
As I said before, it does not matter if you agree nor like the prices I have on any animal I have for sale. They are my animals, itis my buisness and I will price them as I feel fit. I am sorry you can not seem to comprehend that you have no say so in what ANYONE prices an animal at.
cahrens
Addicted
Well personally I think value is determined by 2 people. The buyer and the seller. If I'm selling something that I think is worth 2000 bux and someone else agrees with me and is willing to give me that price then it's totally reasonable. If you don't agree on my price then don't buy from me. I've also seen auto commercials comparing modestly priced vehicles to their higher priced counterparts so that's not entirely true either.
Seamus Haley
Big Game Hunter
It's a simple matter of representation.
Rob is not calling them genetically proven pastels.
He is not even calling them phenotypical pastels, like Brian wanted to.
He is being honest about their history, he is being honest about their appearance, he is being honest about the chances for a genetic basis for the trait.
He is not misrepresenting them... If he were lying and calling them something they are not, then you might have a case for a lack of ethics in using a deceptive term in order to commit fraud... but he's not.
Further, when presented with a reasonable argument about the possibility of confusion with the original term, he corrected it. Because he is honest.
His animals, he can price them at whatever he wants (when the represntation is honest). The price tag might turn off a lot of buyers, but so be it... he can price an anole at 4 billion dollars and sit on it forever if he wants to.
Rob is not calling them genetically proven pastels.
He is not even calling them phenotypical pastels, like Brian wanted to.
He is being honest about their history, he is being honest about their appearance, he is being honest about the chances for a genetic basis for the trait.
He is not misrepresenting them... If he were lying and calling them something they are not, then you might have a case for a lack of ethics in using a deceptive term in order to commit fraud... but he's not.
Further, when presented with a reasonable argument about the possibility of confusion with the original term, he corrected it. Because he is honest.
His animals, he can price them at whatever he wants (when the represntation is honest). The price tag might turn off a lot of buyers, but so be it... he can price an anole at 4 billion dollars and sit on it forever if he wants to.
David Reid
EmberBall
This is how I see it
An open opinion, not directed at anyone in particular,
There are about 4 or 5 businesses on KS that repeatedly post ads for normal appearing ball pythons that may have one white scale, and is therefore a Piedish ball python, light brown coloring, so it must be Axanthicish. Call a normal a normal, it is getting old. So you say, just skip my ads, I DO!! ,sometime just looking for laughs, seriously. If you are a legitimate company, with years and years of experience, customers etc., they why exaggerate about your animals? What I am saying is if you have a high yellow animal, call it that, high yellow just describes what it looks like, too you, and is not the name of a high priced proven morph like ghost or pastel.
As for the ad in question, I feel it is misleading if you are an uneducated buyer, and see the word Pastel. Yes, we all can place an ad and charge whatever we want. But , a car company cannot advertise a VW as a Porche, just because it has Porche rims or a Porche steering wheel. If the animals in question were advertised as normals, but high gold or yellow in color, and based on the pics, could they really sell for $2K, of course not, but priced at $2K and advertised as Pastelish, someone may think Pastel, hmmm, ok. I just feel if you use a proven morphs name to sell your animals, it better be the morph. AND, then, if you do have morph animals to sell some day, or hets, who is going to believe you....kind of the boy who cried Pied scenerio.
Dave Reid....................not David Beard
An open opinion, not directed at anyone in particular,
There are about 4 or 5 businesses on KS that repeatedly post ads for normal appearing ball pythons that may have one white scale, and is therefore a Piedish ball python, light brown coloring, so it must be Axanthicish. Call a normal a normal, it is getting old. So you say, just skip my ads, I DO!! ,sometime just looking for laughs, seriously. If you are a legitimate company, with years and years of experience, customers etc., they why exaggerate about your animals? What I am saying is if you have a high yellow animal, call it that, high yellow just describes what it looks like, too you, and is not the name of a high priced proven morph like ghost or pastel.
As for the ad in question, I feel it is misleading if you are an uneducated buyer, and see the word Pastel. Yes, we all can place an ad and charge whatever we want. But , a car company cannot advertise a VW as a Porche, just because it has Porche rims or a Porche steering wheel. If the animals in question were advertised as normals, but high gold or yellow in color, and based on the pics, could they really sell for $2K, of course not, but priced at $2K and advertised as Pastelish, someone may think Pastel, hmmm, ok. I just feel if you use a proven morphs name to sell your animals, it better be the morph. AND, then, if you do have morph animals to sell some day, or hets, who is going to believe you....kind of the boy who cried Pied scenerio.
Dave Reid....................not David Beard
Blame it on the market
I can certainly understand both sides of this argument. Would I fork over the two grand? No. Would it bother me if someone else did? Of course not. It's simply a matter of economics. If Ford determined that $90,000 was the profit maximum for their SUVs then that's what they would charge. The father of economic thought, Adam Smith, believed that people's decisions are entirely based on their own self-interest. The reason Rob didn't ask ten grand is because he felt (rightfully so) he could not get that price. He's asking two grand because that's what he thinks he can get. It's really kind of ridiculous to ridicule someone for that if they're not misrepresenting their product. If someone wants to take a chance and buy the animals for $2,000, $1,500, or whatever they'll do so because they believe it is a gamble worth taking and in their own best interest. If you really have a problem with this then your problem is probably with capitalism, the market process or monopolistic competition which is the market that the herp trade operates within.
Take care,
Phil Frost
ZNJ Exotics
I can certainly understand both sides of this argument. Would I fork over the two grand? No. Would it bother me if someone else did? Of course not. It's simply a matter of economics. If Ford determined that $90,000 was the profit maximum for their SUVs then that's what they would charge. The father of economic thought, Adam Smith, believed that people's decisions are entirely based on their own self-interest. The reason Rob didn't ask ten grand is because he felt (rightfully so) he could not get that price. He's asking two grand because that's what he thinks he can get. It's really kind of ridiculous to ridicule someone for that if they're not misrepresenting their product. If someone wants to take a chance and buy the animals for $2,000, $1,500, or whatever they'll do so because they believe it is a gamble worth taking and in their own best interest. If you really have a problem with this then your problem is probably with capitalism, the market process or monopolistic competition which is the market that the herp trade operates within.
Take care,
Phil Frost
ZNJ Exotics
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DavidBeard
The Louisville Lip
Rob, your apparent lack of ears for your customers surprises me. You'd think you might take into account the opinons of possible customers a little more seriously. If you're such an honest guy why do you have to add all that extra BS into the ads? Why not call it what it is.......a NORMAL. Its just a marketing ploy to get more $ for a lesser item. I do know business, you have to when you are a consumer. You are correct that you can price your animals however you wish, but take into account the likelihood of you selling those animals now that a question has arisen about them. Normal ball pythons are one of the most variable snakes out there and I hate seeing people put some new moniker or surname on one that has a semi-unusual pattern or marking. You'd think if you cared so much about moving your product, you would at least invest in a camera that can take pictures to best represent your product to its best ability. Bad pictures are no excuse when buying over the net......its all we the consumers have to go by. If I see a "bad" pic then I have to wonder what the animal really looks like and if it is in fact worth the asking price. Your beligerant disregard for the input of the people tells me volumns about what you REALLY care about: MONEY......if you didn't care about the money you'd have them at a normal price instead of BSing and putting potentially false labels on your snakes. Integrity does not mean trying to get the most amount of money for your least valuable item(s).
Rob @ RK Reptiles
ballpythonmorphs.net
This will be my last post on this thread. David, You feel that these animals are not valued the same as what I feel they are and I can understand that. I would suggest, as you stated you don't want to purchase from me anyway, to go on about your life and not worry about what someone else is doing. If you think an animal I am selling is not worth the money it is advertised for No problem DON'T BUY IT. Plain and simple.