Bad Guy MEL KRUGER - CROOK

[ElexisC]

Once again no Boas have been sold all of his boas are here and another the deal was made for the Glock was for 10 snakes I have 9 he was supposed to send the most expensive snake which is a Jaguar Anrey which he refuses to send from the get go he says he forgot all that has to happen is send the snake I send the gun everyone does it like that am I wrong

Were you lying then or are you lying now?

 

[kris reiners]

Never heard of krugers Kritters In az.

 

[dhaisten]

Look for the run-on painful to read sentences.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I'm going to back up here and take this thread one point at a time.

The deal was two guns for the agreed snakes. As the OP mentioned he made a couple of mistakes. He didn't send all the snakes and he couldn't legally have the guns he wanted. At this point Mel didn't do anything wrong. Is everyone in agreement on this point?

If the deal ended here and Mel stated he didn't get all the snakes and the Op couldn't have the guns why would Mel have to be out the shipping cost to send the snakes back to the OP? He didn't make the mistakes the OP did. I would state the OP is responsible for the shipping back.

If I agreed to a trade and was upholding my end and the other person didn't send what he was suppose to and then found out he couldn't legally obtain what I was trading, why would I have to pay for his multiple mistakes?

If that was the end of this transaction I would state that it would be reasonable to expect him to take the snakes back at his cost.

That wasn't the end so let me breakdown my comprehension of this mess of a transaction.

It is apparent that the OP didn't want the snakes back and opted to trade for just one gun. Alex is stating that the trade was for the boas already sent for the one gun. Mel is stating that he agreed to the one gun but still expected the other snake missing from the original shipment to be sent. That he didn't agree to anything without that snake being included.

I don't see any of that in the communications posted.

Mel you keep asking what you did wrong.When you agreed to the second trade option for the one gun where is the screenshot that states OK but you need to send the other snake?

I think you would have posted that if you had it. If you wouldn't have done the original deal without the snake that was missing and you weren't planning on doing the new one without the missing snake you would have the screenshot with the others where you plainly state that. "Hey man yeah I'll do the snakes for the glock only if you send the last snake." You didn't write that. You wrote if the deal you had with someone else didn't materialize then yes that would work.

It seems to me you agreed to the second deal without the additional snake being shipped. At least you didn't stress that point in writing. You then advertised the snakes for sale.

At this point you do have the snakes that Alex sent and he has nothing. That is what people see.

Now let me give you my opinion. I don't think it is a bad trade deal to take what you have and send the glock. I personally think you would come out good and the OP would be satisfied. That would be the best solution to this trade that didn't come anywhere close to smooth.

If that isn't a option you are willing to do and you have all the snakes that Alex sent, the shipping back needs to be worked out ASAP. While the OP did make a couple of big mistakes you did as well. It appears you agreed to the new deal for the snakes you have.

When you received them and you didn't receive all of the order, it should have ended there if you weren't going forward without the snake that wasn't shipped. You should have the communication to show this. You should have the communication from Alex where he stated he was going to ship the snake left out for the one gun. Neither of you have posted the whole transaction record of what was stated when the snakes arrived one short.

OK so nothing has worked out perfectly and nobody is getting what they wanted out of the original deal. The best thing is to come to a resolution quickly.

The OP spent the funds shipping and so far you have time into this and his snakes. If I were you I think you would be better off sending the glock.

If not, go ahead and ship them back and end this.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Of course someone posts a screenshot of you stating you already sold some of the snakes and I didn't see it until after I posted.

 

[KRUGER'S KRITTER]

. Jaguar

He was supposed to be sending the Jaguar the whole time I was trying to send the gun which he cannot have if this was not true he would have denied it how many times have I asked for the snake and I will ship the gun and he has not denied it once yet because he knows it was part of the deal

 

[Bronx Boa]

The deal was for two guns...that was dead when one snake wasn't received. The deal was for one gun instead. Now he is asking for the long lost 12th snake. No! He's extorting because he has all the leverage. He never mentioned the other snake until yesterday morning when I called him out on posted the glock for trade.

He's lying and trying to dig himself out of the hole.

How many people does it take for you to realize your mistake. I've admitted mine...why can't you?

And the fact still remains...you have over 2K worth of my snakes and I have nothing.

Send you little glock and walk away with a deal of a lifetime. At least it will be a deal...instead of straight robbery.


The BronX BoA

 

[Bronx Boa]

Here he is lying that he started the paperwork on the guns

Here he is back peddling after I caught him trying not to sell/trade the glock

The BronX BoA

 

[Bronx Boa]

Wow guys...not only does he currently have the glock up for trade...he now has MY BOAS up for sale. How is this allowed?


The BronX BoA

 

[Black Adder]

I am really not sure we can believe anything much of what Mr Kruger is trying to tell us now as there appears to be contradictions and flat outright refusal to deal with facts every step of the way.

Some boas are sold, no boas are sold, deal is for two guns and 12 snakes, then 1 gun and 11 snakes, then (only claimed by Mr Kruger), the deal is STILL 12 snakes but now just for one measly little Glock ( which I can run down to my local pawn store and buy today for $425-475)

So whichever way you look at it, Mr Kruger already has made a killing on this deal if he sends the Glock right now....$450 gun for well over $1000 worth of snakes, I would be jumping through hoops to get it done!
But instead he wants to become just a common crook, keeping EVERYTHING and fulfilling no part of his end of the deal at all.

BAD GUY INDEED!

And off topic I know but I have been DYING to throw this in ever since this thread started........do you have a brother called Freddy?
I only ask because he had problems doing the right thing too.....

 

[chris allen]

I see he has the boas listed and the guns listed. Appears he isn't trying to make anything right. Seems like you got ripped off Alex.

 

[ElexisC]

Notice how he kept claiming he sold NONE until I reposted that screen shot from earlier in the thread, he has nothing to say now. He is indeed a liar and a thief at this point. Probably a good thing you "forgot" that jag, accident or not. You'd be out even more.

If he wants the jag, he should at least send the monitary value of those 2 guns. Or just send the glock and be done with it.

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[CwnAnnwn]

My biggest problem with this deal is simple. Price gouging. I don't really see any difference between this deal and seeing a person on the side of the road and offering them two gallons of gas for 500 bucks.

The level of greed that Mr. Kruger has shown in this thread is...well...sickening.

There are two things very close to my heart, Boa's and firearms.

The original deal was for 12 snakes totalling well over 3,000 dollars for firearms that would, on a good day, cost maybe 1,000.

When that fell through. He wanted 3,000 dollars worth of snakes for 500 dollar firearm.

He will not even accept, 2,700 dollars worth of snakes for a 500 dollar firearm.

For me, that is just wrong. Wrong on so many levels.

The fact that he is willing to start selling and trade snakes before he actually owns them is insane.

Anyone that does business with Kruger needs to have their heads checked.

 

[Lucille]

My biggest problem with this deal is simple. Price gouging.

I agree with the rest of your post. But the fact is, two adult capable parties made a deal. It may seem like a bad deal to us, but it was voluntary for them. Criticizing the deal is problematic, it is like saying one of the parties was not smart enough to make a decent deal for themselves.

The gas example is completely different. If one is stuck on the side of the road, there is an urgency that means the parties are not dealing on equal terms.

Anyone that does business with Kruger needs to have their heads checked.

I agree, now that he has been outed as a scammer.

 

[CwnAnnwn]

I agree with the rest of your post. But the fact is, two adult capable parties made a deal. It may seem like a bad deal to us, but it was voluntary for them. Criticizing the deal is problematic, it is like saying one of the parties was not smart enough to make a decent deal for themselves.

The gas example is completely different. If one is stuck on the side of the road, there is an urgency that means the parties are not dealing on equal terms.




I agree, now that he has been outed as a scammer.

I agree with you on the gas comment, I was out of line. Sorry.

But Mr. Kruger said he was giving the OP 3,000 dollars worth of guns. The kel tec and 10/22 are no where near worth that much. I don't know about you. But when I hear someone getting told they are buying 3,000 dollars worth of something only to get 1,000 dollars, it kind of gets me upset. I just don't like unfair deals. Personal problem I guess.

Mr. Marrero feels that he needs to get the firearms grandfathered in before it becomes illegal in his state. For him, he feels like it is now or never. I understand that. I am saving up for a glock 40 right now. Because I can read the writing on the wall.

I really do understand what you are saying. Everyone has the right to make a deal if they feel it is fair. But Mr. Marrero was being told something was way more pricey then it was.

And is now be extorted for more animals to get anything out of this.

 

[Gemma]

IMHO Mel Krueger is now a BAD GUY, has guns and snakes, will not fix this deal for 1/2 (about$75) of shipping, keeps on stonewalling.

Agreed. By his own words, Mel Kruger has shown that he has no intention of making this right.

With that in mind, what is the next step? Small claims court? Filing a police report? I am not clear on the legality of enforcing an agreed upon trade.

 

[Mistyck]

Once again no Boas have been sold all of his boas are here and another the deal was made for the Glock was for 10 snakes I have 9 he was supposed to send the most expensive snake which is a Jaguar Anrey which he refuses to send from the get go he says he forgot all that has to happen is send the snake I send the gun everyone does it like that am I wrong

You are now trying to change the second deal that you made! You can't negate on a second deal after agreeing to 11 snakes for one gun without giving him back his snakes at YOUR expense. You are shooting yourself in the foot by saying the same thing over and over!

Were you lying then or are you lying now?

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And then you say you didn't sell snakes, but the above quote shows that YOU admitted that you sold some! Get your stories straight or else you're just going to look even more dense.

He was supposed to be sending the Jaguar the whole time I was trying to send the gun which he cannot have if this was not true he would have denied it how many times have I asked for the snake and I will ship the gun and he has not denied it once yet because he knows it was part of the deal

YOU AGREED TO A SECOND DEAL! WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FINAL SNAKE! You are negating on that deal which means that you send his snakes back to him at YOUR EXPENSE! You have already sold some of the snakes so YOU put your cart before YOUR horse. Not the other way around. You are looking like a fool by fighting that YOU are being wronged over 1 snake when the gun you are going to send him isn't even worth the 11 snakes that you already had! Get over yourself and do what's right. Geesus!

 

[Pasodama]

Mel, if you sell those snakes and pocket all profits, where Alex sees nothing (gets nothing) from it, that is the action of a thief. If you give nothing to Alex, even if you keep all snakes, that is also the action of a thief.
This is, all, still a civil matter but you are teetering on the edge of it becoming something criminal by law (it's already ethically criminal).
It appears you breached the second agreement (second agreement amends, or voids, a first agreement/contract). You have provided no proof otherwise. For that, or even regardless of that, you should either send Alex the gun or pay for shipping back all snakes you received from him.

To Alex,
If you do not receive any compensation, and prefer the snakes back, I believe Mel should pay for shipping back to you, or pay half at the least end, but it seems that will not happen.
If I were you, I would just pay for shipping and be done with it. At least you would have the snakes whose value is much more than the cost of shipping. Plus, the cost of shipping is much less aggravating than going the route of a lawsuit or other.
I, also, would not not allow him to keep "the big girl". All snakes should be sent back to you. Mel's reasoning, of how he should be able to keep her because he had to buy a cage for her, is laughable. The cage purchase was his decision. Plus, if he wants to use that excuse, you are also out money due to having to pay shipping both ways. He, at least, would have a cage, to re-use, while you would be back to "square one" though having lost some money (what it cost you to ship).
Next time, you should check the laws/regulations on whether, or not, you are able to possess what you want to trade for.
That or, perhaps (if firearms), get proof that the arms were delivered to the FFL (on the other person's end), and all paperwork is complete, before shipping snakes.
An added insurance, IF FFL dealer is willing, is he/she could have instructions not to ship the arms until/unless he/she receives proof that you shipped the snakes.

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[KRUGER'S KRITTER]

These are my Boas they was gave to me here is my proof

These are my boas and if he would live up to his part of the bargain I will live up to my part of the bargain the only thing everybody is fixated on is because I got a good deal it does not matter if someone trades $20,000 worth of snakes to someone that is only selling a $5 gun if two grown men make a deal and that's what the deal is then that's what the deal is he is not a boy he's not retarded and he had no gun stuck to his head if half u all read the post and actually find out the information you would probably make an educational post about the situation but no one knows what deal me and Alex made everybody is just putting their nose into something that no one knows anything about and you all should C your way out of it

 

[Pasodama]

I, for one, am not fixated on the value of the snakes or arms.
Only on what is right/wrong.
What is that screenshot? It doesn't mean a lot (although maybe just a wee bit) without seeing the conversation that led up to that statement. Also, was it before, or after, the glock agreement?

BTW Alex, you, of course, are entitled to trade for whatever you want but, IMHO, you are better off not having traded for the kel-tec. Those things, again IMHO, are junk.