Bad Guy MEL KRUGER - CROOK

[CwnAnnwn]

Completely agree with Mr. Anastasiou.

At this point. With bad blood, bad communication, and dishonesty of this deal. It is better for the animals and the people just to return the snakes.

Mr. Kruger needs to prove he has the snakes. If not, he needs to refund the market value of them.

 

[snakeman101172]

Interesting how the labeled "bad guy" all of sudden has some who are "kind of" supporting him.

The first deal was dead. It has been acknowledged. And so thankful that I didn't send the snake because I would have been out even more. You can see that he agreed to send one gun for the snakes he received...just to 'make it right'
But when he couldn't, he mentioned "the only I have is a glock." I said that will work and he said we have to wait until the end of the month. If I didn't catch him trying to trade it again...he would have traded it without telling me. He posted it without reaching out to try to work something out. Why would he? He has all my snakes and all the guns. He a slick little con-artist. When I present him with the option to send it Colorado in my brothers name. He refuses. The gun will be my brothers not mine. I rather he have something instead of a lowlife good for nothing scammer.




The only time he ever had the calls to me was when the shipment arrived...saying..."ummm one snake is missing. But all of these guys are awesome." Then he starts with his bullshit claims. Do not let this man fool you. He is a evil person who is extorting me.

Now he says I have 24hours to do something when I've given this loser nothing but options to clear his name. I have 24hours but he has claimed to have sold my snakes and several of them are posted online. Moreover, I have texted him from other numbers inquiring to buy and he has quoted prices and told me on is on hold until today Friday. He doesn't have my snakes and has profited already. He needs to send me MY PROCEEDS then. He needs to show proof as on member suggested with today's newspaper date. If he doesn't...there's the final nail in the coffin.


The BronX BoA

I am not kind of supporting him. And I also do not think you are in any position to be "giving" him options to make right a deal that you have screwed up from the start. You created this situation. Your speculation that this trade would not have been finalized on his end is without merit. You have asked for things you can't have and then want him to ship what you can't have to your brother. I personally would ship no weapon to your brother knowing how eagerly you want them. Huge potential risk. Even if you had sent the last snake the deal could not have transpired because you couldn't up hold your end. I fail to comprehend in a matter of such seriousness that you would not know your gun laws in advance. Does not seem reasonable in the context of adult rational and responsible conduct. I have not lived in NY in many years. However not many people in today's society are not keenly aware of the NY laws if they live in NY and are interested in obtaining guns. Just doesn't add up. You were hoping for an oversight and "sliding through the cracks" so to speak in my opinion. Similar to the hundreds of requests we all get asking us to ship our Retics and such to places they are illegal. You inquire hoping the seller doesn't know your law or is willing to take the chance. Again, just my thoughts and are no less plausible than your claim that he is trying to steal from you.

Also, Kruger should be here posting those pics of ALL of those boas or offering you the difference of anything sold after subtracting and costs. If you could possibly come to terms on such matters. You created your situation. On a side note, in support of an irrelevant item, I have in the past 3 months purchased 2 Ruger 10/22s for a total of $420.00 give or take a dollar or two. His valuations being so far off is one thing, your willingness to go with these valuations shows a desperate need for what he has. (example would be, in NY right now you can still get a burm but for a significantly higher in price than lets say Hamburg,PA) I am not against you so to speak. This is one of the more interesting threads I have read in recent times. I hope you can work out something but I think you just need to cut your losses and chalk it up to a valuable lesson learned. Sometimes people exercise poor judgement, you just have to learn from it and move on.

 

[KRUGER'S KRITTER]

. You know what they say about assuming

I think That is the whole problem from the get go Alex assume that he would forget the Jaguar and I would send the gun he would screw me out of it . when that didn't work he is trying to say that it was not part of the deal now . when it was the deal that snake made the deal that's the only reason I wanted the snakes . I will provide proof of all the snakes today A.S.A.P.

 

[Bronx Boa]

IANA lawyer. I do hold a federal firearms license (FFL).



It would only be a crime if you shipped the firearm across state lines directly to a non-licensee. If you ship to an FFL you are fine, you can ship to a licensee in any state. If the ATF did ever initiate a trace all he would have to give them is the contact info for the FFL. The FFL will then have to show the ATF the bound book entry for the disposition of the gun.



In fact it is legal for an FFL in NY to have those guns and a host of other things that non-licensees can't, so that they can sell to local law-enforcement. It's just not legal in NY for the FFL to transfer those guns to a non-licensee.



There are/were a lot of solutions that look like they were never explored:



- Alex's local transfer dealer could consign the firearms for him, sell them out of state, and give him the money less whatever consignment fee he charges.



- IIRC for the 10/22 there are certain features that make it a ban gun - adjustable stock, pistol grip, threaded barrel, etc. It's child's play to swap parts to make a gun NY or CA legal, we do it all the time for buyers before shipping the gun into the state.



- Alternatively Mel could put the guns onto an auction site like GunBroker himself, sell them, and send Alex the money.

Great ideas...he could ship to the FFL dealer and he'll give me something comparable that I could have.

Here's is is telling no me that he'll ship the bi snakes back and keep the 7 babies and 2 yearlings for one gun:

Much later (after he's busted trying to pull a fast one) he is saying that the deal was for the glock (for all snakes)

He will lie at all costs to get everything he wants.



The BronX BoA

 

[Bronx Boa]

Here's the convo about he glock and he never mentions anything about it not being enough:

The BronX BoA

 

[Bronx Boa]

. And I also do not think you are in any position to be "giving" him options .

Wrong. I'm out of a deal because of a crook. Regardless of how it started the current situation still remains--I have nothing and he has everything. I will continue to give him options until I have some sort of compensation or receive something to finish this deal. This is being held up because of him. Let's talk about he present not what could have been prevented this nightmare. Trust many lesson learned here!!! Too many to put into words...but it is not over and that's all on him. Let's keep the end in mind.


The BronX BoA

 

[Bronx Boa]

Also Mel...don't make pop in visits and comments without answering the question:
Why did you say you sold some?


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[kerrek]

Great ideas...he could ship to the FFL dealer and he'll give me something comparable that I could have.

Here's is is telling no me that he'll ship the bi snakes back and keep the 7 babies and 2 yearlings for one gun:

Much later (after he's busted trying to pull a fast one) he is saying that the deal was for the glock (for all snakes)

He will lie at all costs to get everything he wants.



The BronX BoA

Did you read what you posted? He said he will send the 10/22 for the 9 snakes and the money to ship back the 2 larger snakes . You say no send the gun first then I'll talk about a return. You never agreed to terms. I am assuming it was after this you found out you couldn't have the 10/22 either so did he try to ship it and couldn't or did he just check and find out it was illegal for you to own?

As for sending all the snakes for the Glock he has every right to ask for that it's his gun he can sell it for whatever he wants. He's asking a stupid amount of trade value for that gun but he has every right to do it. You screwed the deal up not him. You may not like what he's asking for the Glock but too bad don't pay it send a label and get your animals back. Next time you do a deal for guns make sure it's legal for you to have them before you ship your animals. He is being a hard ass about everything but he doesn't owe you shipping and he doesn't owe you a Glock for 9 or 11 snakes because that's what you want. He owes you the original deal or sending you your snakes back on your dime.

 

[kerrek]

Wrong. I'm out of a deal because of a crook. Regardless of how it started the current situation still remains--I have nothing and he has everything. I will continue to give him options until I have some sort of compensation or receive something to finish this deal. This is being held up because of him. Let's talk about he present not what could have been prevented this nightmare. Trust many lesson learned here!!! Too many to put into words...but it is not over and that's all on him. Let's keep the end in mind.


The BronX BoA

You are out of a deal because you don't know your local gun laws that is your fault not his. You have no right to give him any options other than to send him a return label for your snakes. Anything else he does is his choice to do or not. He doesn't owe you anything. Why do you think he owes you anything other than to return your snakes at your cost? You screwed up the first deal not him so why does he need to accommodate you?

 

[Black Adder]

You are out of a deal because you don't know your local gun laws that is your fault not his. You have no right to give him any options other than to send him a return label for your snakes. Anything else he does is his choice to do or not. He doesn't owe you anything. Why do you think he owes you anything other than to return your snakes at your cost? You screwed up the first deal not him so why does he need to accommodate you?

Good Lord you are being as obstinate as Mr Kruger himself!
What part of Mr Krugers LIES in this thread are you good with?
Again it is a fact that Alex screwed up by NOT researching his local gun laws BEFORE he committed to the trade.
There have been plenty of options offered but no solution acceptable as of yet to both parties.
It is NOT ok for Mr Kruger to sell or even attempt to sell ANY of the snakes he has in his possession right now.
It is NOT ok for Mr Kruger to constantly change his story on whether he has or has not already sold any of the snakes
That is NOT being a "hard ass" as you put it, that is being the "bad guy" he is accused of in this thread.

So whatever you like in his defense those facts do not change!

 

[kerrek]

Good Lord you are being as obstinate as Mr Kruger himself!
What part of Mr Krugers LIES in this thread are you good with?
Again it is a fact that Alex screwed up by NOT researching his local gun laws BEFORE he committed to the trade.
There have been plenty of options offered but no solution acceptable as of yet to both parties.
It is NOT ok for Mr Kruger to sell or even attempt to sell ANY of the snakes he has in his possession right now.
It is NOT ok for Mr Kruger to constantly change his story on whether he has or has not already sold any of the snakes
That is NOT being a "hard ass" as you put it, that is being the "bad guy" he is accused of in this thread.

So whatever you like in his defense those facts do not change!

Where did I say it was ok for Mr Kruger to sell any of the snakes? I said a couple times Mr Kruger needs to prove he has all the snakes to send back or he has to figure out a way to compensate Alex for whatever he has sold. You can not like the facts but as of now Mr Kruger is stuck in limbo with a bunch of snakes because Alex screwed up. He has to house them, feed them and can't do anything else because Alex can't hold up his end of the deal. I'm sorry you think people are entitled to get special treatment when they screw up I'm not. When I make a mistake I take responsibility for it and fix it. I'm guessing Alex had a surplus of snakes which is why he was willing to send that many snakes for those guns and he doesn't want them back. Again I'm guessing that's why he's pushing so hard to get the Glock instead of getting his snakes back. But as much as you and he may want Mel to give Alex what he wants Mel is under no obligation to do so. If Mel has sold any of the snakes then he's screwed he owes Alex some compensation if he has the snakes Alex needs to pay shipping and get them back.

 

[Bronx Boa]

I want something guns...money..my snakes...don't be mistaken

Right now I have nothing

Mel is a crook


The BronX BoA

 

[Black Adder]

Where did I say it was ok for Mr Kruger to sell any of the snakes? I said a couple times Mr Kruger needs to prove he has all the snakes to send back or he has to figure out a way to compensate Alex for whatever he has sold. You can not like the facts but as of now Mr Kruger is stuck in limbo with a bunch of snakes because Alex screwed up. He has to house them, feed them and can't do anything else because Alex can't hold up his end of the deal. I'm sorry you think people are entitled to get special treatment when they screw up I'm not. When I make a mistake I take responsibility for it and fix it. I'm guessing Alex had a surplus of snakes which is why he was willing to send that many snakes for those guns and he doesn't want them back. Again I'm guessing that's why he's pushing so hard to get the Glock instead of getting his snakes back. But as much as you and he may want Mel to give Alex what he wants Mel is under no obligation to do so. If Mel has sold any of the snakes then he's screwed he owes Alex some compensation if he has the snakes Alex needs to pay shipping and get them back.

As you made no mention or comment on Mr Krugers constantly changing stories or plain outright lies if you will, that is obviously ok then?
Mr Kruger has no responsibility to tell the truth obviously so that makes it all ok to be a "hard ass"?
Nobody is asking for "special treatment".
No matter how you try to paint it the facts are as of right now...

Mr Kruger received 11 snakes
Alex has received nothing

All other shenagigans aside that is still where we stand right now.


At this point in time Alex has no idea what to believe, there may be NO snakes left ?

I am through with this back and forth which in reality is not helping this thread too much and is maybe starting to get a little off topic
Have a great day.....have hungry snakes to feed!

 

[kerrek]

I want something guns...money..my snakes...don't be mistaken

Right now I have nothing

Mel is a crook


The BronX BoA

I agree he owes you your snakes back but why do you think he should pay to ship them back to you? You couldn't complete the deal he shouldn't have to pay for your mistake.

 

[Black Adder]

oops speel checker

"shenanigans"

 

[Bronx Boa]

IMHO Mel Krueger is now a BAD GUY, has guns and snakes, will not fix this deal for 1/2 (about$75) of shipping, keeps on stonewalling.

Verdict has been delivered a long time ago. He wants everything. He had no intentions to make a trade. Nothing more to share until we see proof that my snakes are alive and well. ALL of them


The BronX BoA

 

[kerrek]

As you made no mention or comment on Mr Krugers constantly changing stories or plain outright lies if you will, that is obviously ok then?
Mr Kruger has no responsibility to tell the truth obviously so that makes it all ok to be a "hard ass"?
Nobody is asking for "special treatment".
No matter how you try to paint it the facts are as of right now...

Mr Kruger received 11 snakes
Alex has received nothing

All other shenagigans aside that is still where we stand right now.


At this point in time Alex has no idea what to believe, there may be NO snakes left ?

I am through with this back and forth which in reality is not helping this thread too much and is maybe starting to get a little off topic
Have a great day.....have hungry snakes to feed!

No that means that Alex has the responsibility to send a shipping label to get his snakes back. Mel can ask for anything he wants to complete the deal once it changed Alex can agree to it or not. I wouldn't have offered up what he did for those guns in the first place. Mel's only obligation after the deal went south was to send back the snakes at Alex's expense. So Mel needs to produce the snakes Alex sends the label and it ends.

Um that link is also talking about the 10/22 not the Glock.

So you are saying that Alex is a thief and would not have sent the 12th snake as agreed upon if Mel had sent the two guns?

I also said earlier Mel has to prove he has all the snakes, then Alex sends him labels then they are done with each other. I doubt either of them trusts the other one as far as they can throw him.

No I don't do snakes sorry I just don't like it when somebody screws up and blames everybody but themselves for it. You traded for things you couldn't have now you want him to pay for it. Pay the return shipping and be done with it.

As for him saying he sold some of your snakes make him prove he didn't before sending the labels. If he can't then he needs to compensate you for those animals.

I have addressed multiple times that if Mel sold the snakes he owes Alex compensation why you can't comprehend that I don't know. Maybe I'm not the one being obstinate.

And you are right right now Mel has 11 snakes and Alex has nothing. Because Alex screwed up the original deal. If Alex sends a shipping label or sends the 12th snake Mel is holding out for and Mel doesn't send the Glock, then I'm with you Mel's a thief, a bad guy an all around piece of crap. But until one of those two things happens Mel's a guy that asks outrageous trade value for his guns that is stuck with 11 snakes he has to take care of and can't sell.

And yes Alex is asking for special treatment he wants to amend the original deal or have Mel pay to ship the snakes back. That's special treatment.

To end this Mel needs to send a certified letter to Alex with proof he still has the snakes saying

1) What he wants to complete the deal for the Glock. If that's not acceptable
2) What it will cost for him to ship the snakes back or shipping labels
3) Give a time table where if neither condition is met he will with the the snakes what he sees fit. There should be a law/regulation on how long you have to keep mis-shipped merchandise.

I have no idea why either one of them is making this so hard I wouldn't want to do business with either one. Alex is making deals he can't follow through on because he doesn't know his local gun laws and Mel is totally inflexible. Not a good combination if there is a problem.

 

[kerrek]

Verdict has been delivered a long time ago. He wants everything. He had no intentions to make a trade. Nothing more to share until we see proof that my snakes are alive and well. ALL of them


The BronX BoA

Glad to know that Lucille's opinion is the only one that matters to you. And the rest of the thread is trash.

Good luck either completing your deal or getting your snakes back.

 

[Bronx Boa]

Glad to know that Lucille's opinion is the only one that matters to you. And the rest of the thread is trash.



Good luck either completing your deal or getting your snakes back.

Lucille and everyone else (except you) it's obvious YOU haven't read the thread. Everyone sees this blatant attempt of extortion


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[Black Adder]

Ok some snakes fed, another dimes worth now

Mr Kruger has proven himself to be a pathological liar on numerous occasions in this thread
I am sorry but my experience says that known liars very rarely make trustworthy or honest business partners, as it appears this transaction has proven.
One of the points of the BOI is to determine a persons business nature and then viewers can decide for themselves if they wish to do business with them.
I honestly cannot recommend ANYBODY doing ANY business with Mr Kruger based just on his lies never mind anything else revealed in this thread.

At this juncture with so much under the bridge already I am not sure there will be a satisfactory conclusion for anybody but one thing is for sure

Kruger has (possibly) 11 snakes that do not belong to him
Alex has zilch.