michael taylor boas etc BAD GUY

[hunting texas herps]

I have purchased snakes from Boas Etc., before and have been nothing but pleased and treated very well. I recommend MT to anyone to buy from. Sometimes husbandry can be an issue.

 

[constrictors.nl]

import to Europe of Michael jungles

Hi,

I purchased 3 jungles from Michael a while back and received them a few weeks ago. I found him a very nice guy to work with and really helpfull. He was also very patient with my order, since inporting boas into Europe is a long procedure.

I am very pleased with the quality of the animals. Not only do they look stunning, but they are also great feeders and in perfect health.

So for me I only have good experiences with him. I also would recommend him to any of my friends.

Regards,
Danny Fransen

 

[hartsock]

If the snake was kept in a tub, does it really matter what the ambient room humidity is? I mean the tubs keep humidity in, but wouldn't they also keep it out? Personally, I am incline to think that it was the husbandry. Where it may work for other boas, prehaps it was too drastic of a change in temps (etc), along with the stress of the shipping, which led the snake not to eat.

OP waited 2 weeks because the best vet was on vacation. If you start vomitting up blood and the doctor who you consider to be the best isn't in town for a few weeks, do you just wait instead of going to someone else? That to me sounds like a cop-out to the questions that were raised as to why you hadn't taken him to a vet. I understand using a vet you know and trust, but what do you do? Walk by the tub every day and say, hold on buddy, just 12 more days to go?

Why make that your last post? If Mike has truly done you wrong, why start something and then leave?

I do agree with the fact that someone else posted where someone who is a good guy can turn into a bad guy, or have trouble with a snake now and then, but it appears that this is a husbandry issue on the buyers part IMO.

 

[ravensgait]

Scott considering where he lives that may be the only reptile Vet within hundreds of miles, lots of Cow and Horse Vets not may that look at reptiles. And before you say well he could have taken it to a different Vet, also consider just how cold it is in that part of the country this time of year, your not going to want to haul one of these guys a long ways. It's a drive to places like Denver, Spokane or Salt Lake not one I'd want to make this time of year with snake.. Randy

 

[hartsock]

I'll give you finding a vet may be hard, there are only a few around here and I trust them only partially with minor stuff. If I have a real problem, I head to pittsburgh which is a 2 and a half hour drive. But if it is the choice of look at the snake and see it suffer to take the drive, then I'll make the drive.

As far as the heat, that to me is a non-issue and I am living in a place right now where it has been 9 degrees and less for days. Heat the car up, put heat packs with the snake and other than the trip to the car and out of the car, you don't have a problem. It just seems that the whole vet thing is an excuse when you look at how long the snake was in his care.
-- Scott

 

[John E Dove]

Mr. Taylor or Mr Bennett,
What was the exact date Mr. Bennett received the snakes?

 

[John E Dove]

I was really hoping for an exact date received so I could work this all out in my own pedantic manner, but I think I have the receiving date pretty close to nailed down from the emails in the note pad attachment posted by Mr. Taylor in post #25.

Let’s look at this for a second in regard to time line indicators and see if we can find a bad guy.

On 01-14-2008 in post #1 we were told;

When both arrived I sent an email that they both looked fine, but I was unhappy about the patterning of the male. ………….
Within the next week or so, the male looked more and more dried out and dehydrated.
It took a month to get him to eat.
He ate a second meal and went into a shed.
Finally after 45 days or so he went into a shed cycle again and now started to develope mouth rot due to not having the old shed gone yet.

On 01-17-2008 in post #50 the story changes slightly and after members asking about vet care we first hear about a vet.

This will be my only and last post on this. I will ………. give the proper timeline.
I received the snake, within 3 to 4 days the snake was and turned super dry.
The snake getting dried out and not eating for a month is the issue.
Then the bad shed.
I didn't take it to the vet bc He made it seem that if there was a problem he would take the animal back.
Lastly I will say, the only thing that counts is this snake. I have a vet
appointment. The best vet I could find was out on vacation for 2 weeks and
didn't have an appointment until this next monday.

Now according Mr. Bennett in post #1 “When both arrived I sent an email that they both looked fine, but I was unhappy about the patterning of the male”.
In the email, (note pad attachment posted by Mr. Taylor in post #25), Mr. Taylor was responding to Mr. Bennett’s complaint on the looks of the snake on Monday Dec 3rd, 2007 at 9:28 PM so I would have to assume that the snakes arrived on or about November 30.
That being the case Mr. Bennett started this thread just about the 44th or 45th day.

Ok, now when did the “dried out and dehydrated” look start?
First post says, “Within the next week or so”, which would make 7 – 10 days roughly the way I see it.
Post #50 says “within 3 to 4 days”.
Did the story really change? What possible motivation would there be for changing the story? Is there any evidence to show it did?
Well first I have to say that I am not the brightest bulb in the box but I think the story did change.
The story was changed because people kept pointing out that the animal was likely receiving improper care/humidity during that “week or so” hence the dehydration. The OP needed to get others to see that he could not have been the cause of the “dried out and dehydrated” look so he shortens the time line to “within 3 to 4 days”.
Is there any evidence to support this theory? I believe there is.

In response the Mr. Taylor’s reply to his complaint on the looks of the snake on Monday Dec 3rd, 2007 at 9:28 PM, (note pad attachment posted by Mr. Taylor in post #25), Mr Bennett sent the following email at 22:22:21 (10:22 PM) the same day;

“Michael,
When we talked on the phone you told me even the pictures didn't represent the snakes very well. And, that they would color up in a couple days.
This has nothing to do with the color game. This has to do with, like I told you that day on the phone, I did not think that he had a very aberant pattern, but you must not of heard me say it. I'm not trying to take advantage of anyone, I just felt I should tell you how I felt about the snake. I bought several jungle litter mates which look more jungle than him. I just thought he would have had more of a jungle pattern, but if this is your line of jungles than you did no wrong and I exspect nothing from you.
Dan
PS...They are both doing good. He is in a good home and will be loved all the same.”

Now this email was sent on Dec 3rd, 2007, day 3 or 4 of Mr. Bennett’s ownership of these snakes and not only is there no mention of a “dried out” appearance but he says “They are both doing good.”.
I believe that his puts the real time line back to the originally stated “week or so” or 7 – 10 days which is plenty of time for a snake to become dried out and or dehydrated if not maintained under the proper conditions.

Are there other signs of improper care? Possibly?

This feeding would have been around Dec 30?

It took a month to get him to eat.

Do Boas always readily eat when being kept in improper conditions?


This would have been 5 – 7 days later on say January 4 – 6?

He ate a second meal and went into a shed.

This would have been roughly the same time post #1 was made Jan 14?

Finally after 45 days or so he went into a shed cycle again and now started to develope mouth rot due to not having the old shed gone yet.

So now IF the OP had knowledge of proper care why was it not provided or why would he make up this story?
I think clues can be found in both post #1 & 50;
Post #1

When both arrived I sent an email that they both looked fine, but I was unhappy about the patterning of the male….

Post#50

I didn't take it to the vet bc He made it seem that if there was a problem he would take the animal back.

If someone was not willing to take a snake they believed to be ill to a vet because they expected to send it back it follows that they might not have been all that careful about the care they were providing at first for the same reason.


I agree that finding a good vet can be difficult, especially in western rural areas. I have to make the 100 mile one way drive to Pueblo Colorado for my rescue turtles and farther to Colorado Springs or Denver for my other reptiles.
But were I in or around Cheyenne Wyoming I could go to the Cheyenne Pet Clinic which works with Reptiles. Failing that I would head down to Denver which is only about an hour and a half from Cheyenne.

Sorry for the long speculative post, I really had little else to do since most of my snakes are still bruminating and Fauna was off line.
The politics boards got boring.

Anyway I would do business with Mr., Taylor if he had something I was looking for at the right price.

BTW, If my spelling is off blame Fauna because the spell check is not working. It's not because I have never been able to spell. ROTFL

 

[Boas Etc]

DAN BENNETT IS A Trouble MAKER

I'm glad some one put all the clues together.
I hope there is a place I post that people should be sceptical to sell DAN BENNETT snakes knowing whats happens after he gets them sick.
I want to thank all my past customers for coming to bat for me when I had a Nut try to blemish my reputable name.

Michael T
Boas Etc

 

[critical bill]

Crack is whack!

Thats all I have to say....

 

[radventures]

Michael,

Just wanted to let you know that the 3 Jungles we got from you last month are doing great. I hope the animals we sent you are the same. Sorry all this is going on and I certainly wish I never got involved, but nonetheless you obviously have a stand up reputation. Let me know how things are going otherwise.


Thanks
John

 

[radventures]

I just realized we are still registered as radventures and not Salmonboa.com

For the record, radventures is Salmonboa.com until I get our registration updated!

Great day!
John
SALMONBOA.COM

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

10 Worthless Pennies....

The jungle boa SHOULD have been at the vet the second it was outta anybody's control... If you need help, reach out it's there.. It's expensive most of the time, and pretty embarassing, since we all know everything about everything, right! We have all been there at one time or another... I am pretty sure.. I recently had sold an albino(just an albino) of mine, just to have a followup phone call that he had regurged later that night... BUT, I did make a mistake, and sold him with a full tummy and a stern, but obviously weak warning that he couldn't/shouldn't be held for days, as many as possible... What's that mean to a new owner with their first albino, NOTHING!!! It was disturbed enough to regurge for the first time since birth.. I got the call at 9 AM the next day, I reiterated the deal that he regurged for handling(obviously too much) purposes only and that he was going to be fine, as he was in no way sick, and all that gravy and hung up the phone.... 20 minutes later I KNEW I did wrong to one of MY albinos. Not to the guy who bought him, or me, going to lose money... FORGET ME AND THE GUY WHO BOUGHT HIM!! I just wanted the little guy to be OK... I called the guy and had him bring me the little guy back, AT MY REQUEST, since I just had a feeling he was in danger with the new owners, who knows.. Or cares!! Had to scrounge the cashish like most to get him back into my care/SAFETY... I paid top dollar for my snake back and was somehow happy... A few months later, the little dude is A OK and steppin up his feeding item sizes.. Just my 10 cents, I know I'm nobody as well, but since we were on the subject of thousand dollar animals, just thought that everyone might hear how we should treat em like that.... That WAS ALL MY FAULT, I feel I made it right... I don't know... I will go away with this, it was ALWAYS my fault if I lost an animal, FOR ANY REASON!! If money ain't no thang, no problem, but if you worked hard for something you will DO anything to protect it!! I don't know.. My ten cents, I am gone!

 

[snkchrmr_420]

I completed a transaction with Michael of Boas Etc. about a month and a half ago. He represents his animals well, and I was very pleased with the animals. I wouldn't think twice about doing business with him again.

 

[Uroboros]

Did this turn into a good guy thread? lol