Mike / Mark Norman [email protected] (VERY fishy)

[HerpVenue]

Here he is in 5/2004 giving carolina reptile exchange a good report. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=132020#post132020

yea, they're good guys. never had a problem with them.

What is wrong with that you ask?
Well baby it just gets really complicated from here.

It seems everyone at Carolina Reptile Exchange / Digital Reptiles / HCE / bruce / harry / noah / mark / mike / ling is never who they say they are.

Brief history cut short.
Harry Eisenman was selling all sorts of fake crap. Then we realize it was actually Bruce eisenman because harry has been dead for years. But the checks/receipts/e-mails/ads/posts all said harry.
Then they produced all sorts of hets and clutches of nothing but pieds from ONE 1 lone male. And the female they had they just bought and was definately still to young to breed. In fact..... they produced whole pied clutches before they even got this female.
Then we see the ads go up that harry has produced more hets... even though he has been dead for years

What does this have to do with the guy up there in the title.
He claims to barely know and barely talk to the CRE people. he claimed to talk to Bruce only a coule of times in one post. But yet he totaly defends the guy and EVERYTHING about the business. he would never answer the questions about the whole harry fiasco. In fact he says it is in the past and he is looking towards the future. And as aforementioned he even gives them good guy reports.

His screen name on fauna : bigshow
his e-mail :[email protected]
his name on fauna is : mike norman

What is wrong with the above?
Well here we go follow along people

I have 5.4 ,100% het pieds from 2 different clutches,they are from Dave Hanners male pied K2,and either a normal female ,or a het female.All were hatched in may 05.S as far as a unrelated pr,they woulds have the same father but not mother.

I have loads of things hatching currently,and am totaly out of room.

The deal is this:I will sell female het pieds at $1600,and males at $500,HOWEVER we will take 1/2 ($800 female,$250 male) now,and ship you the snakes(shipping included)

When you produce pieds,you pay the ballance of the other 1/2.You dont produce,you dont pay.We watch the sale ads and go to alot of shows,so we are hoping to find out when someone produces if they are not honest enough to let us know.

We require a full name, adress, phone and either a state I D number or drivers licence number.

We are backing the genetics for life and have a live arrival plus 10 day guarantee.

we are not a home based breeder ,we have a actual retail store,as well as a co op of over 23 breeders,and have been selling via kingsnake for over 6 yrs.you can feel free to visit our web page at www.carolinareptileexchange.com .Our current retail store has been in its current locaton for over 3 yrs,just off interstate 77 on the Nc/Sc border.

We welcome paypal at [email protected] as well as postal or western union money orders and wire transfers to our mailing adress below.

I am more than happy to help you in any way I can both now ,and long after the sale.Feel free to give us a call.

As far as offers,Im allways willing to listen to offers on larger groups.

when you send a money order or paypal,please email us at this adress so we are sure to reserve your order.

As far as a pr goes in the 50/50 deal you would need $1050 now and the same at production

Ling


Noah, Bruce,Ling,and Staff
Carolina Reptile Exchange & co-op
3312 hwy 21 # 114 (store adress)
996 cranberry circle (mailing/shipping adress)

Ft Mill Sc. 29715
(803) 548-8BOA

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28844&page=16&pp=5

did you see it? it is in bold.

now what is wrong mike/mark norman collecting money?
nothing really. but if you look for posts made by big show.....he claims to barely know the folks at CRE

 

[HerpVenue]

whoops hit submit instead of preview..............anyway

http://hometown.aol.com/ncbgshow/myhomepage/
That is his website.
i will attach a pic of bigshow

 

[HerpVenue]

now pay attention
this is from cre website

QUOTE
Its with a heavy heart we bid farewell to our general manager Mark "the rattler "Norman. He has decided top move on and devote more time to his automotive career,After having him in our organization for more than 4 yrs,He WILL be sadly missed !Good Luck Mark !

Through good times and bad,from his humble beginnings at the old "pet pros"as a lowly cage cleaner,he self taught himself ,with dilligance ,to become one of the most Respected young men in the industry,moving with us to CRE ,and taking over the venomous room,to his rise to management,a great guy,a neighbor,and friend.
UNQUOTE
http://www.carolinareptileexchange.com/587208.html

wow his pictures are all over cre website. i will attach them just in case they go missing.
One of the most respected young men? NOW WE KNOW THAT IS A TOTAL LIE

 

[HerpVenue]

So now his name is Mark instead of Mike
he lied about his relationship with CRE...... he really worked there
he gave CRE good feedback ...... but he was really one of them (kinda like giving yourself good feed back)
And now they are using his e-mail to collect paypal?
What happened bruce? CRE paypal got frozen?

long story short.
This guy is just part of the carolina Reptile Exchange family
And just like the rest of them..... this guy too is a liar.
it took about a year..... but he too has now been exposed.

who is next to get exposed bruce? will it be this dave hanners guy?
I mean what is a guy with a pied and enough knowledge to produce........what is he doing hanging out with the scum at carolina Reptile exchange?

he can make enough money on his own. but he decided to tarnish his reputation and share his money with CRE?

 

[HerpVenue]

if you look he still refuses to address that bruce was portraying his dead father. I guess in his world people are corupt and it is quite okay.

Dude all I am saying is you claimed to only have talked to the guy a couple times.
But then we find out you actually worked for the guy.
And you gave them good feedback too.
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: i see

Oh, damn,.....get a life. Stop harrassing me! Be sure to post this on fauna for all the idiots there! I have done nothing to you. remember that. do not talk to me again!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ritchie <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:36:20 -0400
Subject: i see
So now you are collecting money for bruces hets?
So is your name Mike or mark?

Also I guess you STILL see nothing wrong with bruce faking all sorts of documents and receipts and pretending to be his dead father.
Also I guess you still see nothing wrong with bruce producing receipts with harry?s name on it?way after harry is dead. (as in the date is after harry died)
Also I guess you see nothing wrong with bruce posting under his fathers name??and acting like he is alive 2-3 years after he lready dead.


Nevermind?..because as usual you will fail to answer those questions.
Either that or you will say that they are in the past and you are only concerned about the future (you have said this before)


In that case do not be mad at me?? by the time you read this letter?I wrote it in the past.


So did youknow you were collecting money for bruce?s fake hets? Or did he hijack your e-mail?

 

[HerpVenue]

okay I just got this in my e-mail

I have NEVER been on the pay rol for CRE! Get your facts straight dude. I'm sick of you people. I've told you how I feel about it. Get a life! And stop harrassing me!

So is it a lie?
or is that guy his brother?
I mean come on those pictures look alike....
they even have the same initials......... MN.
They even have the same last name.....Norman.
they are both into snakes...............
they are both into venomous/venomoid...............
And they are both tied to the same company.
that is his e-mail that carolina reptile exchange is using.


yeah I recive money through paypal for CRE but I am not on their payrol........ yeah

 

[Wilomn]

AHAHAHhahahahaahahaHAHAHAHAHahahahaHaHaHahahahHHAHahahahaHAhaha

Total scumbags, through and through and mike/mark "bigmouth" norman is just another dripping from the ass-tree.

Good job Ritchie, nice to see you back.

 

[PaulSage]

The deal is this:I will sell female het pieds at $1600,and males at $500,HOWEVER we will take 1/2 ($800 female,$250 male) now,and ship you the snakes(shipping included)

When you produce pieds,you pay the ballance of the other 1/2.You dont produce,you dont pay.We watch the sale ads and go to alot of shows,so we are hoping to find out when someone produces if they are not honest enough to let us know.

We require a full name, adress, phone and either a state I D number or drivers licence number.

We are backing the genetics for life and have a live arrival plus 10 day guarantee.

So they guarantee that the bps are 100% het pied, yet they have a clause built in for when these snakes don't produce pieds??? I have never heard of someone accepting a PROMISE to pay a remaining balance when offspring of a certain morph are produced. Maybe I'm just one of the "fauna idiots" but that seems like a lot of money for a couple of normals...

 

[Wilomn]

In all honesty I can't see how these guys keep getting away with it. With as many crazies as there are out there you'd think they'd have nailed one by now.

Of course maybe those 23 breeders in their co-op are folks who got ripped off initially but were promised a piece of the store, so to speak, if they kept on trying.

What ever happened to red-neck justice?

 

[HerpVenue]

more e-mails

1. I did not say you screwed anyone. I said you lied about your relationship with them.
2. Slanderous comments?
3. Your father is a lawyer? Please go and find a slanderous comment I have made.
4. You can fight slander with the truth. So that is not you or your family member that is all over the CRE website? (before you tell them to take it down…I already took pictures)
5. So that is not you or your family member that has worked for bruce for over four years?

You mean that is not your e-mail that CRE is using to get paypal payments with?



QUOTE

I have 5.4 ,100% het pieds from 2 different clutches,they are from Dave Hanners male pied K2,and either a normal female ,or a het female.All were hatched in may 05.S as far as a unrelated pr,they woulds have the same father but not mother.

I have loads of things hatching currently,and am totaly out of room.

The deal is this:I will sell female het pieds at $1600,and males at $500,HOWEVER we will take 1/2 ($800 female,$250 male) now,and ship you the snakes(shipping included)

When you produce pieds,you pay the ballance of the other 1/2.You dont produce,you dont pay.We watch the sale ads and go to alot of shows,so we are hoping to find out when someone produces if they are not honest enough to let us know.

We require a full name, adress, phone and either a state I D number or drivers licence number.

We are backing the genetics for life and have a live arrival plus 10 day guarantee.

we are not a home based breeder ,we have a actual retail store,as well as a co op of over 23 breeders,and have been selling via kingsnake for over 6 yrs.you can feel free to visit our web page at www.carolinareptileexchange.com .Our current retail store has been in its current locaton for over 3 yrs,just off interstate 77 on the Nc/Sc border.

We welcome paypal at [email protected] as well as postal or western union money orders and wire transfers to our mailing adress below.

I am more than happy to help you in any way I can both now ,and long after the sale.Feel free to give us a call.

As far as offers,Im allways willing to listen to offers on larger groups.

when you send a money order or paypal,please email us at this adress so we are sure to reserve your order.

As far as a pr goes in the 50/50 deal you would need $1050 now and the same at production

Ling


Noah, Bruce,Ling,and Staff
Carolina Reptile Exchange & co-op
3312 hwy 21 # 114 (store adress)
996 cranberry circle (mailing/shipping adress)

Ft Mill Sc. 29715
(803) 548-8BOA



UNQUOTE




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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: i see



One more thing,..... you have NO proof that I've screwed anyone. Before you start talking badly about me, you need to think of the legal ramifications of your slanderous comments. My father is a laywer and will be sent these emails/posts. If you want to ever meet me and talk face to face, come on down and we can discuss anything you want.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ritchie <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:52:17 -0400
Subject: RE: i see



Dude all I am saying is you claimed to only have talked to the guy a couple times.

But then we find out you actually worked for the guy.

And you gave them good feedback too.


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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: i see



Oh, damn,.....get a life. Stop harrassing me! Be sure to post this on fauna for all the idiots there! I have done nothing to you. remember that. do not talk to me again!


-----Original Message-----
From: Ritchie <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:36:20 -0400
Subject: i see

So now you are collecting money for bruces hets?

So is your name Mike or mark?



Also I guess you STILL see nothing wrong with bruce faking all sorts of documents and receipts and pretending to be his dead father.

Also I guess you still see nothing wrong with bruce producing receipts with harry?s name on it?way after harry is dead. (as in the date is after harry died)

Also I guess you see nothing wrong with bruce posting under his fathers name??and acting like he is alive 2-3 years after he lready dead.





Nevermind?..because as usual you will fail to answer those questions.

Either that or you will say that they are in the past and you are only concerned about the future (you have said this before)





In that case do not be mad at me?? by the time you read this letter?I wrote it in the past.





So did youknow you were collecting money for bruce?s fake hets? Or did he hijack your e-mail?

this is for his crack legal team

My previous statements could have been wrong and I humbly apologize.
What I meant to say was.
1. it "LOOKS" like he lied about his relationship with CRE
2. That "LOOKS" like his picture plastered all over the CRE website.
3. if it is not him.....then it clearly "LOOKS" like a family member's picture that is plastered all over the CRE website.
4. and if I said it looks like his e-mail that they are using to collect pay pal money.....what I meant to say is..... that IS DEFINATELY and EXACTLY his e-mail addy that CRE is using to collect money
5. and if you really are a crack legal team that is going to sue me for slander....... I will not even need a lawyer because I have not talked to anyone about your client. I just have my two kids around me..... And I do not think they will verify that i talked to them about you. they are both under 2 years old.
6. and don't forget. I am entitled to an opinion. And the aboce is my opinion.
7. And you can't hold this website responsible for something a thrid party (me) posts on their forums.
8. I forgot to add......ooohhh I am so scared

 

[HerpVenue]

aboce = above

 

[ms_terese]

Sheeeeeeesh, Ritchie, it does my heart good to read your posts!

And another one bites the dust. I hope his automotive career is lucrative.

 

[HerpVenue]

And another one bites the dust. I hope his automotive career is lucrative.

now now.
we can't have him threatening to have his big daddy sue you too. be careful what you say.

that picture just looks like him. But it might not be him....it could be a family member... or it could be a complete stranger who has the same initials, the same interests, lives in the same part of the country, is tied to the same company, has the same last name, has the same build as he does and even wears his hat the same way.

 

[critical bill]

that picture just looks like him. But it might not be him....it could be a family member... or it could be a complete stranger who has the same initials, the same interests, lives in the same part of the country, is tied to the same company, has the same last name, has the same build as he does and even wears his hat the same way.

LOL. Go get em man!

 

[Jim O]

that picture just looks like him. But it might not be him....it could be a family member... or it could be a complete stranger who has the same initials, the same interests, lives in the same part of the country, is tied to the same company, has the same last name, has the same build as he does and even wears his hat the same way.

Well you do know that in some parts of the country it's not uncommon for momma to be your big sister too. And your half brother to be your uncle and your first cousin. Inbreeding and all that.