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Info Mike McGrath BAD BUYER

Don't see how he can be labeled a "Bad Buyer" he did send the money, he was just too late. I don't have a problem with selling the snake to the first one to pay, given you warned everyone before hand that the first one to pay gets the snake. I just have a problem with labeling him on the BOI this way when he did what he said he was going to do.
 
I think he had every right to sell to the first money offer. He said that he needed the funds for a emergency repair, and that First money takes it. That alone says it all.
I've contacted sellers and had them end up telling me that the animal was sold, even though I was interested. I never held that against them, because I didn't get money to them.
That comment about getting water by the gallon at the store tells me the prospective buyer obviously doesn't know much about real life needs. You need water to flush toilets, take showers, wash dishes, water your snakes, make coffee, soup, pasta... geez.
Good luck on the well pump!
 
I ask for a deposit, plain and simple, if someone wants an animal considered sold, but does not have/does not want to send the entire amount all at once.

I have had too many people tell me they want the snake(s) and that they will send a check, and it never arrives. If I do not get a Paypal deposit, the snake is not sold. If I get a Paypal deposit, and the rest arrives in a check, no problem.
 
Is Mike from Illinois and is his tag mcgrath5860? I just completed a deal with a guy named Mike and I want to make sure we are talking about the same Mike before I go into details.
Thanks
 
LBenton said:
I can not say I know either person involved but it sounds like Mike was trying to expand the deal to include more animals when he was beat out on payment by the other party.

Now this does not really make him a bad buyer, just an upset customer. I understand that a situation can come up that you will not be able to make everybody happy, but I can not say that feel sorry for you because you got griped at.

Lance
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I agree with this Lance. I just spoke to Mike on the phone and this is why he is pissed about this deal. I would understand if the buyer emailed and said I want them and then never responded again because this happens to me a lot. But when the buyer was waiting for the seller to send him a quote for additional animals, I dont understand that.
 
norsmis said:
I agree with this Lance. I just spoke to Mike on the phone and this is why he is pissed about this deal. I would understand if the buyer emailed and said I want them and then never responded again because this happens to me a lot. But when the buyer was waiting for the seller to send him a quote for additional animals, I dont understand that.
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If you look at my replies you will see that I replied right away and didnt hear anything else for 24hrs. He says it was because he was waiting so he could also buy the normal at the same time but then he didnt include those funds in his payment anyway.
 
I have been on both sides of a deal like this and for both sides it sucks. I understand why you sold it Kevin. I also understand why Mike is not happy. I think this is one where both parties go their separate ways and call it done..... just my 2 cents......
 
norsmis said:
I have been on both sides of a deal like this and for both sides it sucks. I understand why you sold it Kevin. I also understand why Mike is not happy. I think this is one where both parties go their separate ways and call it done..... just my 2 cents......
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Sounds like the best solution. I've been there, too. Recently gave a person a list of BPs I was looking for, they told me they had one of them and would get me photos of it. I found out later the cinny pastel had been sold at a show the next weekend and I kind of felt it was sold out from under me as I had the cash in hand and was just waiting for pictures to confirm that she was as nice as I thought she'd be. I was deeply disappointed in the seller, but got over it. As long as you refunded his money promptly IMO you did the right thing. I wouldn't necessarily have called him a bad buyer, but we sometimes say things like that in the heat of the moment so it's understood that might not be what you meant.

Mike, if you're reading this, this might be the way you're being led to another even better deal for you. Hang in there!
 
I think most of us have been on both sides of the coin with this issue before.
I just completed a deal with a guy named Mike McGrath (hopefully the same one your referring too) and things went fine. We spoke through PM to set the deal and phone once before shipping (no emails). When we reached a final price he told me a check was on the way. Now I am not in the same position as Kevin, meaning I was not needing the money immediately, so I put the snake on hold pending payment. The check came in and after it cleared the snake was shipped.
It was an easy transaction and if I had something else Mike wanted I would not hesitate to put it on hold for him again. I understand why the snake was sold after telling him the money was needed, but I don't think its fair to label Mike a bad buyer for this.
Just my $.02
Rob B
 
Thanks Rob for sharing your experience with Mike. It doesn't hurt to wait for the payment of the person who contacted you first, particularly when it's just a few hours. It's true that there are lots of people out there that will not fulfill their committments, but there are also lots of trustworthy and upfront individuals. By always having the "first money in" approach we miss the opportunity to get to know those folks, and they may very well be strong future clients!

You sold one snake but you lost a potential client, you have a little bit more money in your pocket that will be gone momentarily, but you are still in the same place as far as your potential client database.

Best
 
kmurphy said:
Don't see how he can be labeled a "Bad Buyer" he did send the money, he was just too late. I don't have a problem with selling the snake to the first one to pay, given you warned everyone before hand that the first one to pay gets the snake. I just have a problem with labeling him on the BOI this way when he did what he said he was going to do.
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I agree. Why is this posted "Bad Buyer" when there was nothing bought? Actually I don't see any wrong doing from either person.
 
Kevin,

Sorry I didn't see this thread earlier, or I would have stuck my nose into it sooner.
To anyone concerned, I'm the guy who actually got the snake in question. I emailed kevin about it, he answered all of my questions quickly, and told me he had considerable interest in the snake. I sent the money via Paypal as soon as Kevin gave me a total including shipping, and that was that.
Since I sent the money on a Wednesday night, we agreed not to ship until Monday. Bright and early Tuesday the burm arrived and she was everything Kevin said she was.
If you do any buying and selling over the internet, you know that the first buyer who gets cash into the seller's hand, gets the animal. It sounds like the other guy was a bit too casual about getting Kevin's money to him and it cost him the snake. It's not that big a deal. It's just a really nice burm. My guess is that it'll take him 10 minutes to search online and find another.
I'd do business again with Kevin in a minute.

VinnyButch
 
As a consumer that has purchased most of my animals online, I feel this way as a hobbiest trying to sell an animal to pay a bill, it sucks for Mike but that is reality in the real world.

If you considered yourself a reptile business that's horrible business, I read the E mails you were clearly in the midst of business. He wasn't asking for more photos or what does it eat he was arranging shipping and asking you to add another animal.

Like I said if I had bills to pay though, I have bills to pay.
 
im nuetral to this matter because i can kind of side with both parties. i can see why he needed the money soon and was a first come first serve basis and i can see where the other party could feel liek the deal was taken out from under him. now it seems rather odd to me that this same snake in question is also on another forum for sale with totaly different reasons of being sold. not for me to pass judgement or anything or perhaps it could be a stolen pic and someone else is trying to scam with it but if not i wouldnt see why it would be for sale on 2 different forums under totaly different circumstances. people doesnt have to give reasons as to why they are selling but if they do then i feel it important to keep the same reasons instead of them being changed each place it is listed.
 
Oh and one other thing i forgot lol. the topic is mike is a bad buyer, but i dont see to where this makes him any worse of a buyer then it makes you as a seller. both of you have good points to this situation so to say the buyer is is bad i wouldnt agree with. i think the whole deal was lack of communication from both parties but as to where i also see where he was trying to find out about shipping for another animal he was also wanting to purchase wasnt in any means of someone with just an inquiry or a prospect buyer. he emailed awaiting a response back from you and by the time he got it the animal sold to another buyer. business wise that is a bad business deal but like the other post stated the reason of the fast sale i can understand also because things liek that come first. in short i dont really see him as a bad buyer or you as a bad seller i just see lack of communication.
 
xanaxez said:
now it seems rather odd to me that this same snake in question is also on another forum for sale with totaly different reasons of being sold. not for me to pass judgement or anything or perhaps it could be a stolen pic and someone else is trying to scam with it but if not i wouldnt see why it would be for sale on 2 different forums under totaly different circumstances. people doesnt have to give reasons as to why they are selling but if they do then i feel it important to keep the same reasons instead of them being changed each place it is listed.
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Are you saying that this same animal is currently for sale someplace? What is the date of the ad, and who is the seller? (it would be great if you would post the ad here)
 
i will try to locate it again tonite. yes it is posted at another place i have like 12 forums i visit but i will hunt it down. im thinking it was on either redtailboa.net or bp.net
 
Once again, it's me, the guy who actually bought the high white burm from Kevin. I just want to assure anyone who cares, that the snake isn't for sale. If you see a photo of it, it's from someone who is trying to pass off an inferior snake with a fraudulent picture, or perhaps doesn't even have an animal to sell at all.

Thanks,
Vin Buccigrossi
VinnyButch
 
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