Bad Guy Mitchell S. Behm (Global Captive Breeders)

[typherp]

If I said he is one of the biggest liar in this industry, I won't be too far off. After reading these posts, I emailed Mitch and asked what happened and I got a response so I decided to post them. He threatened that I would be out of business if i posted...so that is a challenge I have to accept. I wonder how long it will take for him put me out of business....lol. Here are the posts. they are long but you can judge what kind of a liar he really is. He just seem to make up things as he goes. Most egotistical, self promoting liar I have ever "not met." If he really are breeding all these reptiles, with his egos, he would have posted 1000s of photos on line bragging. And what's with him telling everyone and posting that he works at major wall street firm. If he did work there in a major role, we would have seen his business card by now. Enjoy as I am trembling with fear that he is going to put me out of business now and I can't think straight....what a nut! It might be easier if you read this from the bottom to make some sense.



Oh please. You are the biggest liar in the business. I know almost everyone in the industry and they laughed when I mentioned your name. They all basically said you talk big but never delivers.

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On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:29 PM, "Behm Family" <[email protected]> wrote:
And you should be out of the business. Post all you want, crybaby.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ty
To: Behm Family
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: hello

Really. I will post all our conversation on fauna and let others decide. You are a real jerk

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2012, at 5:52 PM, "Behm Family" <[email protected]> wrote:
String you along? I haven't communicated with you in almost a year. I'm the kind of person that doesn't want to deal with anyone who loses 50% of the animals that they bring in. Stop bothering me and find someone else.

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: Ty
To: Behm Family
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: hello

Mitch,

You don't have the courtesy to tell me after stringing me along? What kind of person are you?

Ty

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2012, at 9:39 AM, "Behm Family" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ty,

I discovered that you were supplying the major chains, so I've been selling to smaller distributors.

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:33 PM
Subject: Fwd: hello


Mitch,

This is the last email I sent you and you have ignored me after talking big. At least have a decency to answer what is going on after all you hype. I will be posting all our conversation on Faunaclassified soon....I would like some answers from you before I do that.

“Mitch, Aug 5 2011
Just wanted to touch base and find out where you are with getting both bearded dragons and whites tree frogs?”

Ty





Mitch, Aug 5 2011
Just wanted to touch base and find out where you are with getting both bearded dragons and whites tree frogs?

Ty





LOL...OK Mitch. Any projection on when?





-----Original Message-----
From: Behm Family <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2011 10:02 amMitch,
Subject: Re: hey
Not quite there yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 7:14 PM
Subject: hey


how are you doing with bearded dragon production? are you ready to ship yet?

Ty


OK...thanks.


-----Original Message-----
From: Behm Family <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:36 am
Subject: Re: BD
Working on it
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:29 AM
Subject: BD

Hi Mitch,

When do you think you will be ready to ship your first shipment of bearded dragons? We can start with smaller number like 500 a week....if that works for you.

Thanks,
Ty





Well....the problem is that unless I am sure that I will have them and when...I can not offer them to my customers.


-----Original Message-----
From: Behm Family <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: Whire's Tree Frogs
I was thinking several thousand a month from Indo. If I start a CB program, as many as you need.

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: Behm Family
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Whire's Tree Frogs

I will find out and let you know. How many a week can you supply?

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----
From: Behm Family <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 18:10:14 GMT+00:00
Subject: Whire's Tree Frogs
Ty,

I will be receiving a large supply of Whites. If I raise them here at Global, how many would you want on an ongoing basis?

Mitch





Sure.
wow....they need to be 5gms or larger..Can i try 1000 first?

Thanks,
Ty



And what weight do you need them to be?

Mitch
----- Original Message -----

To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: bearded dragons


any news on how many you will have?

Thanks,
Ty
Close to 6,000. How would you want them packed?

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: bearded dragons


any news on how many you will have?

Thanks,
Ty


-----Original Message-----
From: typherp <[email protected]>
To: behmfamily <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:51 am
Subject: hello
Mitch,
Just wanted to touch base and find out where you are with getting both bearded dragons and whites tree frogs?

Ty



Thanks....just let me know what you have and I will see if thats something I want. I am always looking for rare lizards and tortoises. You can go to my facebook page ty's lizards and ty park and see what i keep and breed.

ty




-----Original Message-----
From: Behm Family <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons
I'll work on getting you a date. I'v been swamped with demand for my animals. I usually have large quantities of White's and White-lipped tree frogs from Indonesia, that I use as feeders. Leopard Geckos only sell for a few dollars each, so I usually stay away from them.
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: Behm Family
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons

Can you give me a date so that I can plan? I supply petsmart so basically leopard geckos, whites tree frogs etc. What do you have. I also collect rare tortoises and lizards


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-----Original message-----
From: Behm Family <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 16:55:14 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons
Next hatch is partially yours. What other species do you need in quantity?

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons


Hi Mitch,

Any news on when you will have bearded dragons for me?

Thanks,
Ty



-----Original Message-----
From: Behm Family <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 12:09 am
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons
At the next hatching, I'll have about 6,000. I thought that you were in SoCal, sorry.

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons

My address:

Ty Park
Lasco Inc
33900 Bermont Road
Punta Gorda FL

How many do you have now!




-----Original Message-----
From: Behm Family <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 10:59 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons
5-7 gms. Why ship, I'm an hour or less away? 15 Frwy at 74(Central Avenue)
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons

what size are these and will you ship if i paid shipping?





-----Original Message-----
From: Behm Family <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 10:48 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons
$20 at 500, $17.50 at 750 and $15 at 1,000. These prices are for pickup in Lake Elsinore.

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons

what is the lowest price for 500 lot?

thanks,
ty





-----Original Message-----
From: Behm Family <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons
Ty,

Thanks for getting back to me. At that price, its better for me to post them locally myself.

Thanks anyway,

Mitch
Global Captive Breeders
Lake Elsinore, CA
cell: 949-246-3073
www.GlobalCaptiveBreeders.com
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons

I am paying 15 if they are 5gms or 5 inches or larger. I can take 500. where are you located? do you have a phone number i can call you at?

ty





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Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 7:16 pm
Subject: Message about: Wanted: Wholesale Lots of Baby Bearded Dragons
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We're beginning to offer normal Beardies in 250, 500 and 1,000 lots. What do you
pay? How would you take delivery? Delta Dash?

Thanks,

Mitch Behm
Global Captive Breeders

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[Lucille]

He threatened that I would be out of business if i posted..

Do you have the email where he threatened that?

 

[typherp]

way at the top...

On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:29 PM, "Behm Family" <[email protected]> wrote:
And you should be out of the business. Post all you want, crybaby.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ty
To: Behm Family
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: hello

Really. I will post all our conversation on fauna and let others decide. You are a real jerk

 

[Lucille]

Ty, that does not sound like a threat. He did not threaten to do anything to put you out of business. You called him a jerk and he said you should be out of the business, both were statements, neither were threats.

 

[Ameivaboy]

Mitch, can you supply me with 500 dragons? I'm more local!!

 

[Lucille]

Ty, it looks like you and he were negotiating, and prior to an actual deal he chose not to do business with you. I am not in any way backing him and do not know him, but he did not issue you a threat.

 

[typherp]

if you say so Lucille.

 

[VegasBilly]

The BOI Laundry Room! Come here and air petty grievances? Is it just me or has the historical purpose of this arena been hijacked and perverted to now a place to hash out personal affronts? Seems to dilute the intended purpose and integrity of the BOI.

Bill

 

[typherp]

Bill,

I think that this post gets to the character of who he is. he promises things and string you along and all of sudden he stop communicating. If after all these conversations, if he was a good person, he should have at least let me know that he has decided not to sell to me.

Ty

 

[~Just Curious~]

I agree with Lucille on the threat part, I don't see anything about ruining anyone's business at all. Maybe I'm reading things wrong, but I'm perceiving it as a continuation of his message before that.

"Behm Family" <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm the kind of person that doesn't want to deal with anyone who loses 50% of the animals that they bring in. ... you should be out of the business.

Kinda like "If you don't care for animals, you shouldn't be in the business of animal care" or something. Not that you don't, I really don't know, I'm just saying what I think he said there.

That said I still feel that if he had decided not to deal with you earlier, he definitely should have told you then instead of just leaving you hanging. You shouldn't have been left wondering all that time, I don't think it's right... Pretty ridiculous time too, did you send any more emails between August of '11 and March of '12?

 

[typherp]

i sent him two emails in August but he did not respond.

 

[typherp]

"I agree with Lucille on the threat part, I don't see anything about ruining anyone's business at all. Maybe I'm reading things wrong, but I'm perceiving it as a continuation of his message before that. "

point taken. I thought he threatened to put me out of business if i posted but I see your point now.

 

[tegu man]

if you really want to see who mitch is i think you should here it from is ex employees i have never heard anything good i'm with ty on this. i will get them here so you can here the truth about all this crap that these people are talking about.

 

[VegasBilly]

I don't know Mitch from Adam but I just don't see where the initial poster was actually monetarily hurt in this whole deal. It appears to me his feelings were hurt and obviously based upon his posts they share a difference in approaches and philosophies.
Is it necessary to run to this forum to air personal affronts? To inform is one thing, to have subsequent posters pledge to find "former employees" to chime in just smacks of a witch hunt to me. There are plenty of people we come across in our daily lives whom we have issues or conflicts with, what happened to just moving on?
All to often lately it seems someone starts a thread, good, bad, or indifferent, but then all kinds of people come out of the woodwork and pile on and totally steer the thread far from the initial subject and denigrating into settling old wars.
I guess I'm just waxing nostalgic, I miss the old days when someone made a post, the opposing party or parties offered a rebuttal, and we, the readers, we're left to our own devices to come to our own conclusions.
Kinda' thought that was the basic premise behind the genesis of this Forum?

Bill

 

[Behmfamily]

Billy,

Tell everyone your real name, not your alias.

Lucille,

You're correct, I sold the animals to others that are members of this site. They are welcome to confirm. Ty is not somebody that I wanted to deal with. What he did here is post only a few of our email exchanges and changed the wording on some. He's coming at me because I'm taking away some of his business.

Mitch

 

[typherp]

OK please....that's funny. i haven't change a thing. why don't you post your emails then. you corresponded with me after i told you i supply Petsmart and you even offered me CB....(haha funny) whites tree frogs after that. And how many bearded dragons did you sell...all 6000 you had? Can you provide who you sold those 6000 to? And please stop pulling numbers out of your***. You don't want to sell to me because 50% of my animals die...really...no one will be able to stay in business if they lost 50%. And what business did you take away from you? I don't sell to any of your customers...none. How many stories can you make up?

 

[typherp]

Mitch...please tell me which part I have changed and i will re-post those.

 

[Behmfamily]

Unfortunately, the bigger my business gets, the easier the target. Let Billy tell you who he really is, how many of my animals he's purchased and name his friends that I terminated, for cause. I'm not going to out any ex-employee for obvious legal reasons here in CA.

What Ty did was eliminate any email that was unflattering to him. He also changed the wording in several.

You can get a feel for Ty's attitude when you realize that he supplies Petsmart and Petco with tens of thousands of animals from the much larger number that he purchases. I've watched too many animals die from ex-employee negligence. I've hired and fired too many industry "experts." Philosophically, I want nothing to do with Ty and his disregard for the life of animals. Remember the lessons learned from Global Exotics when they were raided.

Mitch

 

[typherp]

Please let me know what parts I changed and I will post the entire emails. I copied and pasted so that it would be easier for everyone to read. I have not deleted any email. And as for providing Petco and Petsmart, 15 years ago when they approached me to supply them, i was hesitant but I have decided that I can help them better take care of their reptiles as an insider instead of people who does nothing but throw stones at them. We have made tremendous improvements since and we are always looking for a better ways to provide for the animals. Between them, they have more than 2000 stores and I visit with the corporate people yearly and I know the hearts of these people who truly love animals and wants to do everything they can to provide for them. Because they are so large, there are always going to be issues with some employees not doing what is best in store. People have bad days and lazy some time that becomes an issue. I would not be their vendor unless I know they are doing everything possible to better themselves. They are two huge corporations doing so much for our rights to keep animals. Without their clout, PETA would have better chance of winning. And as for bringing up Global Exotic...what that has to do with us? You should stop dodging the questions and answer them. What part of our conversation did I change? And really, what proof you have that I have no regard for the animals.....that's really funny. If you compare my farm and your facility...it would be no contest.

 

[Behmfamily]

I have no problem with Petsmart or Petco, its the animal dealers like you that are the problem. If they knew the risks that you pose to their businesses and our industry, maybe they would realize that you're not the answer. Lets call them tomorrow and see.

To all the keepers out there, what happens to a shipment of 10,000 baby dragons or white's tree frogs; 1 day, 3 days or 5 days after receipt by Ty. Can you guess the mortality rate?

Wes made an earlier comment about FB in outdoor cages in Indonesia. Can you imagine Ty's farm? Can you imagine the FB baby Ball python losses in West Africa or here? We know that there are quality breeders that can handle the ethical part of supplying large chains, think of Bill Brandt of The Gormet Rodent.

Mitch