Mods who are SOOOOO smart they don't even have to read the guidelines

[Wilomn]

Narff.

 

[hhmoore]

McGrath...it sounds like you want us to have a big bulletin board on which new threads are assigned to various mods. Those mods will then deal with their threads, and only their threads, and make sure that no infractions occur within.

Not gonna happen.
Neither is the team beanie, Wes...well, I suppose it would be more accurate to say that if it does, I aint wearing it.
Call it haphazard, call it ineffective, call it whatever you want. We read what we read; warn or not, per our choice. We are members and participants of this site, first and foremost. We are more of an empowered neighborhood patrol than a group of beat cops. We can't enforce the rules - DThomas would get a lot few PMs from me if we could, lol.

 

[Wilomn]

McGrath...it sounds like you want us to have a big bulletin board on which new threads are assigned to various mods. Those mods will then deal with their threads, and only their threads, and make sure that no infractions occur within.

Not gonna happen.
Neither is the team beanie, Wes...well, I suppose it would be more accurate to say that if it does, I aint wearing it.
Call it haphazard, call it ineffective, call it whatever you want. We read what we read; warn or not, per our choice. We are members and participants of this site, first and foremost. We are more of an empowered neighborhood patrol than a group of beat cops. We can't enforce the rules - DThomas would get a lot few PMs from me if we could, lol.

That's sort of what I was saying. No one is assigned, can be assigned, to anything. You guys do what you can, where you can, when you can becasue you care. Mostly.

 

[ravensgait]

Michael you seem to be under the impression that Mods or us UN troops should be reading every post on Fauna. Sorry but it ain't gonna happen and as far as I know it has never been asked of the Mods here and if we tried we'd be Neglecting our lives with the time it would take.. Hey if you see something that needs attention then PM somebody.....

Lets see the popular threads are also those that can most likely get out of hand thus being besides the fact that the Mods or UN troops might find the thread interesting it is where they might find trouble that needs some attention. Just my thoughts on your ramblings in this thread..Randy

 

[ravensgait]

Wes it is what it is buddy, as your well aware there is no perfect world! Just this one we're stuck with so make the most of it. Randy

 

[Wilomn]

Wes it is what it is buddy, as your well aware there is no perfect world! Just this one we're stuck with so make the most of it. Randy

Now, I'm just guessing here, but it seems that you don't realize that I'm agreeing with you.

So, let me tell you. I'm agreeing with you.

 

[SoulSmilen]

Denise if everyone is out on the sidewalk gawking at the policeman who just pulled someone over, who is minding the store. According to Rich, and I believe this to be true, but if the 4 moderators were overwhelmed with the output of posts before, don't ya think good management would be to delegate responsibilities in other area so there wouldn't be to many overlaps and areas not being watched. Thats what I was questioning. How many moderators came into this thread to view these and when they did this what other areas were being neglected. I probably could spend hours searches through all the threads and find rule breaking that wasn't enforced. Have already done this in the past and got dinged for it. Good managers make sure all the sections of the store are being monitored and when a fire starts in one area bring others over from their sections to help put it out. I was asking to see if all 41 (not sure if this is still the number) come running to this thread because "ole Wes" had stirred it up again and we need to see what he said so we can all spank him real hard." It also refers back to a previous analogy I used earlier. I know on Rich's other site he has the moderator listed and I assume that person is responsible for that area. I was just asking to see if that was the case here and how many moderators came running into this area because it was a "hot" spot. Denise don't fault me for being inquisitive.

I'm not faulting you for being inquisitive, but it's been asked many different ways and addressed many different ways - many times over. This is Rich's site, and what he says goes. The ideas being thrown at him now are not new ones, and he is perfectly aware of how it's done on other forums and what the 'norm' is. If he chooses to run his site the way he chooses, then so be it. History repeats itself on forums of all kinds, and he's right - no matter what he does, there will always be someone to gripe and voice misgivings, cry foul, cry wolf... etc. The suggestions and discussions going on now are not much different than threads and situations that have taken place here year to year, and this forum is not alone in those discussions.

There is simply no way monitoring who is on what forum could work - what would you propose happen?

Mod A is reading a thread in Mod B's section; does Mod A get a 'ticket' because he shouldn't be allowed in Mod B's section? Pffft.. I won't even give that thought.

Have you ever ran or managed a forum? Let me tell you how it works... even if Mod A sees a problem and can't mod in Mod B's section, Mod A can and will probably report the post, send a PM, or post it in the mod forum so Mod B is aware of the situation. On the other hand, it might go on not noticed. Given this situation, it wouldn't matter if one person was assigned to each forum; moderation may or may not happen, and that's just the way it is. I understand the analogy you're using, but once again, Rich is right - it doesn't apply here.

The argument about consistency is an argument that will never end, and there is no outright solution for it. Moderating is done by humans and humans are prone to the possibility of inconsistency and mistakes, whether intentional or unintentional. I've complained about this myself and shouldn't have; I know personally how forums work and how there is no way possible that every move is fair to every person. It's not that way in the real world, and it's certainly not that way here.

In order for a forum to be sufficiently moderated, it takes more than one or two people assigned to each section. There are 24 long hours in a day, and when you count the sections on Fauna, it's downright unrealistic to expect 100% consistency with realtime moderation. If someone needs that kind of supervision, perhaps seeking living quarters in a psychiatric ward would fill the need. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want to live in a situation like that.

Going back to the multiple mods, when you get that in depth with the size and expectancy of a management team, it takes more than volunteering to make it work; it takes cash paid to the people doing the management. How would you propose that happen? Well.. paid memberships, of course. Paid memberships at much higher levels and requirements than we have now, that's for sure. That's not realistic, either. There just isn't money enough in informational sites to pay for moderation - it's the way of the web.

Another option is to let it go free like it was. Did that work? Certainly not.

The alternative? Exactly what has been done. Self moderation at its finest. While not everyone agrees with the criteria of selection, after I sat back and thought about it, it's not the worst way to do it. It might not be the best, either; but most that pay for that level of membership ARE people that have time and effort into Fauna and have an interest in seeing things work. That's not to say that the members who haven't paid in DON'T have the interest, but it does say that it wasn't a priority, and that's fine. It is what it is. Not everyone can afford it, not everyone cares to afford it, and not everyone cares to do it.

Those that don't care to do it won't use it. Those that are 'bad' folks but have already paid will probably not pay again when it is time to renew.
If someone chooses to abuse the system, the self moderation will take care of that, too. If one wants to see it be more fair, there's nothing stopping that person from ante'ing up, is there? If the reason is lack of funds, then that's the way it is. It's either a priority or it's not; the world is not going to end for anyone if they can't afford to contribute.

None of this makes non paying members any more lowly than paying members, and there IS a way to stop the dogs from picking on one person... as has been said many times, over and over and over and over...

Keep it clean and don't cross the line, and there will be no trail for the dogs to follow. Many will argue that the line isn't clear, but I'm willing to bet 95% of the people that have been warned and dinged for something were perfectly aware that their post may not be in compliance with the rules. Self moderation starts with the poster not the moderators, however the moderators might be chosen.

There's a really simple rule to follow when posting most anywhere on the web...

If in doubt, leave it out.

 

[hhmoore]

Here ya go, McGrath

I am going to simplify this a bit...to save myself some typing. If you need more specific info, just let me know. From 6pm last night to 6am, I visited:
6 BOI threads - 7 total views
19 discussion threads - 23 total views
scanned boa, python, and bullsnake classifieds - no individual views.

of the 23 threads I visited,
5 were prompted by an email notification (previously subscribed)
3 were ones I had been watching for various reasons
6 were in the latest discussions column (mainpage)
4 were new BOI threads
5 were seen in New Posts

Those threads generated 4 Private Messages by me - 1 of which was to a site moderator about a specific problem.

I issued 2 warning points
Analyze away

(don't forget to post your findings...I'm sure that at least a few are interested in seeing what you come up with. I know I am)

 

[SoulSmilen]

If those warning points were on threads you visited more than one time, then you, Sir, just might be guilty of spanking someone on a thread you were watching instead of the ones you didn't visit!!!

Michael, does that sound a bit ridiculous?

I am going to simplify this a bit...to save myself some typing. If you need more specific info, just let me know. From 6pm last night to 6am, I visited:
6 BOI threads - 7 total views
19 discussion threads - 23 total views
scanned boa, python, and bullsnake classifieds - no individual views.

of the 23 threads I visited,
5 were prompted by an email notification (previously subscribed)
3 were ones I had been watching for various reasons
6 were in the latest discussions column (mainpage)
4 were new BOI threads
5 were seen in New Posts

Those threads generated 4 Private Messages by me - 1 of which was to a site moderator about a specific problem.

I issued 2 warning points
Analyze away

(don't forget to post your findings...I'm sure that at least a few are interested in seeing what you come up with. I know I am)

 

[ravensgait]

If those warning points were on threads you visited more than one time, then you, Sir, just might be guilty of spanking someone on a thread you were watching instead of the ones you didn't visit!!!

Michael, does that sound a bit ridiculous?

Seems to be a whole lot of that going around lately IE the Ridiculous...Randy

 

[Dachiu]

Ok I thought a lot of what Laura has said, and there is a thought process that needs to be corrected. Laura like others did not pay to ding, she paid to support the site, of all the current members who have benefactor membership or endowment, I only know of one person who raised their membership after the roll out of this program. (there may be more not sure) Without getting into my feelings about that person, only she can answer for herself as to why now she has done this.

If I am the 'she' you are referring to... I bumped my membership up a level because Rich now hosts our site and basic hosting is a part of the endowment membership level... I did have the ability to 'plug' people with my previous membership level though, so there was no hidden motive to the upgrade.

 

[Stardust]

I do not think Mike meant you, as you were still at a level of dinging before you went to the endowment level.
I, for the same reason as you, will probably go up a level as well. I get my website back up for cheaper then I was paying before somewhere else and I am supporting this site, I see it as a win win.

 

[ravensgait]

Vickie, I'd state with some certainty that you are not the She being referred to. Besides as you and Rozann both noted you didn't move up into the Peace Keeper category you just moved up in rank. Randy

 

[Laura Fopiano]

Ok I thought a lot of what Laura has said, and there is a thought process that needs to be corrected. Laura like others did not pay to ding, she paid to support the site, of all the current members who have benefactor membership or endowment, I only know of one person who raised their membership after the roll out of this program. (there may be more not sure) Without getting into my feelings about that person, only she can answer for herself as to why now she has done this.

Okay Michael, I'll bite. Who is the "she" that you are referring to??

As far as upping memberships to mod levels, yes I am guilty of that. I bought a new coin for my partner and love, so he can share in the duties of moderation, just like all of the other "honey do's" that I ask for. I did it because he regularly posts here and has supported this site as I have for years.

So Michael, who is "she"???????

 

[Jim O]

Okay Michael, I'll bite. Who is the "she" that you are referring to??

As far as upping memberships to mod levels, yes I am guilty of that. I bought a new coin for my partner and love, so he can share in the duties of moderation, just like all of the other "honey do's" that I ask for. I did it because he regularly posts here and has supported this site as I have for years.

So Michael, who is "she"???????

Laura, love, it's "public record" here (and I thought common knowledge) that Lucille went up to Benefactor recently. I have no idea if she has used her new "power" as yet though I know that had she dinged Wes we'd all have heard about it.

 

[Wilomn]

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[Wilomn]

Laura, love, it's "public record" here (and I thought common knowledge) that Lucille went up to Benefactor recently. I have no idea if she has used her new "power" as yet though I know that had she dinged Wes we'd all have heard about it.

What is that saying about that word ASSume?

Something about making an ASS out of someone......hmmmm, I'll have to ponder it and see if I can figure it out.

Seeing the future would be pretty cool, but, so far as I know, I'm the only one with that power.

 

[Laura Fopiano]

Laura, love, it's "public record" here (and I thought common knowledge) that Lucille went up to Benefactor recently. I have no idea if she has used her new "power" as yet though I know that had she dinged Wes we'd all have heard about it.

Oops, my bad, I did see that, however she has always been a mod and the color of her coin never made a difference......But then again, I really try to stay out of that conversation. We all have a place here, good, bad, or indifferent, and I try to stay out of those arguments.

 

[Jim O]

What is that saying about that word ASSume?

Something about making an ASS out of someone......hmmmm, I'll have to ponder it and see if I can figure it out.

Seeing the future would be pretty cool, but, so far as I know, I'm the only one with that power.

I didn't see a denial there my friend...but I'd love some stock market tips with that power.

 

[Dragondad]

The she is Lucille, in Peoples Choice thread, I stated

Actually I find it interesting that Lucy now has paid to give dings....for that can be the only reason she would chip in the extra. She has had the ability to pay for benefactor for a couple years never chose to. But now she can moderate for real just for the money.

Thats post #206 on 2/23 in Peoples Choice

For others who moved in level I wasn't sure, hers is obvious since I go to Stardust Lounge and Lucille's is right above it her name was always in black and is now in Gold. Her reason for the jump is hers, (and as I stated from my perspective she was in the mod forum already, but only moderated in her forum not for the whole site

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90559

she is the biggest person to say pay to play, the timing of her choosing to raise her contribution when its been available for her to do so for several years)

The post your referring to was made to point out that the original 40+ did not pay to ding, that option of membership was not available when you contributed your money. So its not an applicable term.