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Motley x Motley breeding question

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I was wondering if it's ok to breed an unrelated albino motley to a motley het albino? I couldn't find anything recent on super motleys and don't know of the current situation. If there's any chance of producing unhealthy babies I would rather do an albino motley x sunglow breeding.
 
I've been out of the loop for a few years; but, last I knew, super motleys were considered a doomed morph. Many were born, but very few (if any) survive to breeding size/age. I think I read something about VPI having one just about to breeding size some time ago; but I don't know the outcome.
 
Ok thanks. I'm going to find a sunglow female for him. Here's a picture, he's very washed out and pink instead of red which I really like. Hope he stays this color as he gets bigger.
 

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I've got an albino motley female that is yellow and white - she lost all hint of red/pink by the time she was 4t - looks like a snow until you notice the pattern (which is more faint/faded than yours).
 
You misread my posts. I don't want a black boa. I wanted to make sure to get the right breeding pair together. Went with male Albino Motley x female Sunglow het Anery.
 
I've heard from a couple of people that breeding albinos together can lead to birth defects! Is this common and should I not breed an albino motley with a sunglow? Just when I thought I had it figured out!
 
Ah well I would say it's best to breed albino to het albino. If there's not enough outcrossing between the visual albinos there certainly could be defects. Not as often now as it used to be but then, I suspect most breeders who have litters with birth defects probably don't talk much about their failings and just cull the litter.
 
After learning about the supers I sold my female Motley. The Albino Motley and Sunglow are unrelated from different breeders. I'm also finding out that's the albinos lose their eyes due to infection and not defects. It sounds like it's easy to prevent by keeping the babies in a sterile environment and/or treating them prophylactically.
 
Don't get me wrong I like the look of the supers, just trying to be a responsible breeder. Like you said there's always the Eclipse. But it would be nice to see an adult super that's thriving.
 
Mickeyblueyes said:
I'm also finding out that's the albinos lose their eyes due to infection and not defects. It sounds like it's easy to prevent by keeping the babies in a sterile environment and/or treating them prophylactically.
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Keeping them in a sterile environment doesn't help when they have the bulged eyes at birth...and I haven't heard of them developing the problem later (which isn't to say it hasn't happened; just it isn't the common issue).
There have been numerous speculations about what the eye problem is, and why it manifests - ranging from infection to female albinos not absorbing/retaining heat well enough due to their lack of dark pigmentation.

My only experience with it was in a het to albino pairing. I don't remember what percentage of the albinos had eye issues; but I think it was a little over a third (I want to say there were 19 albinos, 7 of which had eye defects). Of the afflicted, some were born with a only one eye bulged, some had both bulged. I split the babies into groups; and tried a few different courses based on things I'd seen/been told - none of them had any appreciable effect. In each case the bulged eyes were lost
 
Were the parents related at all? I've also heard it will happen even in het breedings as in your case. So they do have a defect, bulging eye(s) which are more susceptible to infection? Or do they lose that eye regardless of if it develops an infection. Did you try treating them with an antibiotic eye ointment from birth? Did some of the babies end up totally blind and what happened to them? Thanks for sharing, I know this is a hard subject for breeders to talk about but I think it's necessary.
 
This was 4-5 yrs ago - the details are a little fuzzy...
A couple were given antibiotic injections, a few were treated topically with opthalmic antibiotic, one received both, and I think it was two that got something else. In each case, the affected eye eventually became "crusty" (not exactly crusty, but close enough since I can't think of the proper term at this moment). A couple ruptured, a few came off with sheds - it wasn't pretty. All were eventually culled - sure, I could have offered to give them away; but there were enough people trying to sell one eyed/no eyed albino boas that I didn't want to put more out there.
 
And as far as the question about them being related - don't all the Kahl line albinos trace back to the same founding animal(s)? In that aspect, yes, they were related....but they were as unrelated as one could reasonably expect otherwise. Definitely not littermates, purchased from reliable breeders working their own stock....and a few years apart. Further, the male was purchased as a possible het, so neither of his parents were visible albinos.
 
As much as I hate to cull an animal I think that was for the best. So many people breed the genetically inferior animals when they say they want it as a pet. That's a major irk for me.
 
Not sure if I can still access pictures - the attachments here were lost to a site issue a few years back, and I've since moved and changed computers. Let me see what I can find.
 
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