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mrbigzsnakes aka william beard

I was kind of blown away also.....

But then again, I wasn't that surprised, because as was mentioned before, people can turn bad overnight. The other snakes that were recieved from him were in great shape and I would have happily posted a good guy thread about him if it wasn't for the timber/$600 issue. The not answering the phone and giving excuses thing has gone on since before christmas, now it is the middle of summer and he has yet to reply to any of my calls,posts, and the email on his site doesn't work. I am sure since I posted here, venomous.org, and once on kingsnake, that he is fully aware of the problem. I would also like to mention again, that if it is cleared up, I will post apologies on all the posts.
Kevin Smith
 
No problem man. I try not to take things too personally, but sometimes I do. I think with him sending things illegaly says enough about this person, and nobody should purchase anything from him ever again (this is one of the things that will kill venomous keepers rights).

Take care,
Chad Bachman
 
Well, I guess...

I am going to be posting a bad guy post about him, since he answers the emails about his animals he posted under "Venom Central" but hasn't answered my emails regarding the money he owes me. Funny how that works.
Thanks
Kevin
PS-Evan, email me or PM me
 
William Beard aka MrBigzsnakes aka Venom Central.....RIP OFF ARTIST

Okay, here's the deal. Several animals where purchased from William Beard around Christmas, including some baby black phase timber rattlesnakes for $600. He was sent the money right away, it was too cold to ship, so we waited until weather conditions got better. Everything was going fine, he shipped the majority of the animals purchased minus the timbers because he said he needed paperwork to ship them. Okay, well after awhile went by he told us that he couldn't ship them because the F&G wouldn't give him paperwork. He agreed to send a moneyorder for the $600 that was paid for the timbers. Basically, that is the last time he answered the phone or replied to emails. NO moneyorder ever showed, months and months of calling with no answer or his wife saying "He was out of town" went by and it is now mid summer and he has refused to answer the phone,answer an email, or send the money back. Hell, I even sent his Probagger back that he shipped a snake to me in the first and only shipment. He now posts under "Venom Central" and answers emails that were emailed under a false name about animals he has posted, but not the ones that are inquiring about the money owed. I posted this under a last resort and waited way too long before it came to this. I have said it before, if he shows me that he is a man and takes care of his debt, I will have no problem posting on here and telling everyone that the situation has gotten resolved.
Kevin Smith
 
Hey Oreganus,
You always have problems with people that no one ever has problems with...... Did you ever think that most good hot dealers do not want to give you snakes to hack up?????
 
Don't even try it...

Whether you like me or not, that doesn't matter and is not the purpose or point of this post. The post is to keep others from getting ripped off. Oh, I forgot, it is okay for "antivenomoiders" to rip people off, right? Your post is as ignorant as it gets.
Kevin Smith
 
Kevin is correct....

It is not right to "rip" anyone off and if this is the case, then Kevin's post is warranted. However I also think that William Beard, aka mrbigzsnakes should also be noted as a Bad Guy for selling Venomous snakes for the purpose of surgical alteration. I hope that he sends your money Kevin, But definitely not anymore “Chop For Profit” Snakes.
 
My $.02

It is not right to "rip" anyone off and if this is the case, then Kevin's post is warranted. However I also think that William Beard, aka mrbigzsnakes should also be noted as a Bad Guy for selling Venomous snakes for the purpose of surgical alteration. I hope that he sends your money Kevin, But definitely not anymore “Chop For Profit” Snakes.
 
kevin never learns

Heck anyone that does biz with kevin enters the zone of
the dark venomoiders that being said its still not right to rip off someone even if they are a bad guy to start with.
Even bad guys get ripped off.
I think as my personal opinion what goes around comes around.
Kevin is getting his again.
and as long as he and his master continue to mutilate animals
I could care less if kevin gets taken again!
get him guys no sympathy from me.
 
What Kevin does with the animals he buys IS NOT what this thread is about. He got ripped off. Put aside your venemoid feelings. No one deserves to get ripped off.
 
Read before you rant!

SPJ Perhaps you missed this read a bit better next time ok?

"being said its still not right to rip off someone even if they are a bad guy to start with.
Even bad guys get ripped off"

ok ?
 
I did read it but bringing up what he does with the animals has nothing to do with this thread.

Why do people insist in bringing up the whole venemoid issue.:(
Kevin NEVER mentioned the surgery in his original post but yet the people responding did.

Any time venemoids are mentioned it turns into a flame war.

The original reason for this post will be lost if that topic keeps being brought up.
 
You make a great point Paul, anyone who would sell their snakes that THEY PRODUCED THEMSELVES to be butchered definately has some questionable morals. I can't imagine spending my time and energy in producing some captive born beauties only to be sold to a hacker to be chopped up and sold for twice as much...sick.
 
bad guy gets bad guy thats my take on it

I was being very polite.
yes kevin did not mention it but we know what he does.
so it must be considered .
of course he would not put it in his post.
I have no problem with venomoids its the butchers that make them they are bad guys and thats the end of the story....
Thats where kevin comes in.
To think its off limits to bring up his history is a little funny.
like I said even bad guys can be victims but its a sad irony
to say the least.
And david B might have realized his error in selling to kevin.
Thats what happened to his payment.
So bad guy gets bad guy thats my take on it.:idea:
 
The venomoid "butcher" issue should be left out in this deal. I could care less whether a snake is a venomoid or not, and personally do not see any relevance to this issue. If you have an issue with venomoids, or the procedure, or the people who do the procedure make a seperate post and complain on that one..

Later
 
Where the hell do you get off....

This post was about someone ripping me off. I did nothing to you or any of the other smartasses that like to pipe up. How was I the bad guy??? because I purchased snakes to go in my personal collection??? Willy was sent the money and he never sent the animals that were paid for and never sent the money back? Venomoids are not the issue here and the rumors that were made up about me are not the issue here, the fact that William Beard is a THEIF IS THE ISSUE HERE. If you anyone is going to come on here and say that he is justified for ripping me off or rant about venomoids and I do this and I do that, there are other threads and forums to start crap. Quite ruining the board of inquiry with your antics. Notice that Willy has yet to come on here and respond in the slightest possible way?
Kevin Smith
 
Randy T. said:
The venomoid "butcher" issue should be left out in this deal. I could care less whether a snake is a venomoid or not, and personally do not see any relevance to this issue. If you have an issue with venomoids, or the procedure, or the people who do the procedure make a seperate post and complain on that one..

Later
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Well said!
Kevin Smith
 
I would like to clearify....

before this gets too out of hand. The timber were for my personal collection and were not to be altered in any way. Venomoids had nothing to do with the situation, I keep several unaltered hots and was planning on breeding the "black phase" timbers to go with my other collection of timbers.
Kevin Smith
 
still where is your evidence

kevin wrote

"William Beard is a THEIF IS THE ISSUE HERE. If you anyone is going to come on here and say that he is justified for ripping me off or rant about venomoids and I do this and I do that, there are other threads and forums to start crap. Quite ruining the board of inquiry with your antics. Notice that Willy has yet to come on here and respond in the slightest possible way?"
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Just cause you show up and accuse mr beard we are supposed to accept the story of a person with your great reputation.
Do you have any proof kevin lets see some receipts and the likes.
whats your roof other than your story?
I don.t blame willy for not responding with no proof.
 
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