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Mutts, and Morphs..

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Okay, In my lifetime when I was younger, if you had a dog that wasn't pure bred, it was called a "Mutt". These days, they call even the shoddyest mixes, "Designer Dogs".. So, now everyone mixes reptiles all up so much and it seems to be the same thing that happened with the dogs.. I mean.. Carpondro, or Carball etc..? I understand if something is Lucistic, Albino, or Het for either. But if something is a mix of two or more totally different species..isn't that the same as a "Mutt"? I like the snake morphs, but they're still just "Mutts" if you ask me.... Am I on a different page than the rest of the modern world....? Just curious..
 
Nope. Technically speaking a Carball or a Carpondro is a hybrid, not a mixed breed.

Mixed breeds would technically be closer to "designer morphs" which is a combo of any two morphs. A morph equating more closely to a established "breed" of dog.

So a Carpall would equate to a wolf-hybrid... not a labrodoodle. The "designer dogs" are basically mutts or mixing genetic lines in a single species, because they are all still dogs. A Carpall is mixing species, which is greatly different.

Hybrids are always going to be a touchy subject. Some people like them, some find them a abomination of nature. Of course, some people also rant against morphs and say they are "deformed" because they are albino or whatever. So it's all in the eye of the beholder.

Myself, I prefer to see a way to permanently mark a hybrid(like microchipping) so that down the line in the animal's life, it can not be mistaken for a pure blood of either species.
 
Oh, Okay.. I've always been under the impression that Lucistic, and Albino, are natural occurances anyways. I know they can be found in the wild through first hand experience. In June of 1997, I caught a newborn hatchling snapping turtle of which was albino in every sense of the term. Pink eyes, snow white everything, and translucient nails, with Pink eyes and some other areas, of pink, and an orangy looking shade.. I caught her in Lake Hayward, in Colchester, Ct. She was no bigger than a quarter at the time, and still had a "Belly-Button". I know she would not have made it very long out there before something ate her. I kept her til she had a ten inch Carapice and then released her back into the same lake she came from. Albino is not a purely man made trait. Lucistic, I don't know much about to begin with.

I understand, more about the "Hybrids, and Morphs" that you explained to me now though. Thank you.
 
None of the morphs are "man-made". They are all slight genetic mutations, most of which probably have occured in nature for many hundreds of years without any reptile keepers to squeel with glee and take pictures.

The combos like a bumblebee, crossing pastel and spider, would be more rare, but still are both naturally occuring morphs and thus COULD happen in the wild, although the likelihood is slim.
 
personally I like hybrids, but i feel they should never be bred back into original species to where eventually all u have is 99.999999999% what ever. I get irritated when I start seeing "I got this cool snake thats, 25% this, 15% that, 50% something else, 10% confusing." But I love bat eaters and burmballs, and im amazed at the spider carpall.

Like Theresa said, its all in the eye of the beholder.
 
im unsure of how i feel part of me says thier not mormal and should never occur and that they should be exiled and neuterd and part of me says the Carpondro is an awsome hybrid(i know theres more than on hybrid).
also a part of me feels sorry for the animals. Thier genetics are being tampered with. Are they going to experience mutations over many generations. the Carpall. (carpet x ball) ball python small thick bodied fully terrestrial. carpet Long Moderately slender partialy arboreal. idk im just saying that thier genetics could cause problems for the animals in the future. REGARDLESS on your opinions its the animals we need to think about not our lust for new extrodinary animals and profits(not all breeders think about money just some) & (hybrids are typically expensive)
 
I totally agree with the OP in respect to carpet python breeding. At first we have Jags and tigers morphs that's alright but now I feel it's getting out of hands. Now we get morphs like 88% diamond x 50% jag x 66% coast + 20% jungle x 40% Zebra x 33% Irian Jaya......and they're called them designer carpets with every breeder start making up their own names for these "mutts", and now I just feel it's a total turn off in the carpet industry for lack of standards and consistencies, unlike the dog industry with purebreds and disqualifications.
 
If there were some way to track these different lines, it would be nice, as they do in dog and horse registries. However, reptiles just aren't going to be trackable that way. It's a shame.
 
I don't mind hybrids to an extent. As long as the animals are healthy and happy, thats all that matters, really. Mesozoic Reptiles has some amazing animals. Those carpalls, superballs and carpondros are pretty sweet.
 
I understand the coastal mixes and the jugle mixes and all the %s technically a carpet is a carpet to me weather Thier mixed locales or not but carballs and out of species mixes are just plain ignorant to the species. I would only make one hybrid and that's the carpondrs but still I think im just gonna stick within the same species and Thier locales
 
Nick & Chelsea said:
Okay, In my lifetime when I was younger, if you had a dog that wasn't pure bred, it was called a "Mutt". These days, they call even the shoddyest mixes, "Designer Dogs".. So, now everyone mixes reptiles all up so much and it seems to be the same thing that happened with the dogs.. I mean.. Carpondro, or Carball etc..? I understand if something is Lucistic, Albino, or Het for either. But if something is a mix of two or more totally different species..isn't that the same as a "Mutt"? I like the snake morphs, but they're still just "Mutts" if you ask me.... Am I on a different page than the rest of the modern world....? Just curious..
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I'd have to say; "yes, you're on a different page?" This is how new life is created/new species? Jellllllllo(Helllllo)?? It's what keep's this 'world' spinnin'..:shrug01:
 
Tom Pecanic said:
I'd have to say; "yes, you're on a different page?" This is how new life is created/new species? Jellllllllo(Helllllo)?? It's what keep's this 'world' spinnin'..:shrug01:
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I completely disagree with you this is not how new species are made. To me thats a very ignorant statement. At what point is a ball python going to meet a carpet python in the wilderness naturally. It would never happen unless a human had some way to be involved. Last time I checked new species are found in the wild not in an controlled environment at someones house. New species are discovered not made.
 
reptile-phan said:
I completely disagree with you this is not how new species are made. To me thats a very ignorant statement. At what point is a ball python going to meet a carpet python in the wilderness naturally. It would never happen unless a human had some way to be involved. Last time I checked new species are found in the wild not in an controlled environment at someones house. New species are discovered not made.
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Just to point out a fact, the "bat-eater" has been found naturally occuring in the wild. But lets not get hostile, I have a respect for hybrids and the breeders that are able to achieve these freaks of nature. Granted if a hybrid cannot sustain a healthy, long life, then futher breeding trials should be avoided. As long as the animal maintains longevity, and doesnt get bred back to produce this percent that, that percent this, some other percent frumunda the rug, I fully support it and cant wait to get a spider carpall, or a burmball. Which ever I find first when I have that kind of cash.
 
reptile-phan said:
I completely disagree with you this is not how new species are made. To me thats a very ignorant statement. At what point is a ball python going to meet a carpet python in the wilderness naturally. It would never happen unless a human had some way to be involved. Last time I checked new species are found in the wild not in an controlled environment at someones house. New species are discovered not made.
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Hmm. I can almost appreciate that.. But guess what??
 
reptile-phan said:
I completely disagree with you this is not how new species are made. To me thats a very ignorant statement. At what point is a ball python going to meet a carpet python in the wilderness naturally. It would never happen unless a human had some way to be involved. Last time I checked new species are found in the wild not in an controlled environment at someones house. New species are discovered not made.
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I have to agree with you on this one... The statement you are referring to WAS rather ignorant... While it is POSSIBLE for new species to arise through the interbreeding of two different previously existing species, it is extremely unlikely in the case of many of the artificially produced hybrid "species" we see in the hobby today. The standard mechanism by which evolution brings leads to the formation of new species is much more complex than simply having 2 different species produce hybrid offspring (which in many cases are likely to be sterile).
 
ReptileJay said:
I have to agree with you on this one... The statement you are referring to WAS rather ignorant... While it is POSSIBLE for new species to arise through the interbreeding of two different previously existing species, it is extremely unlikely in the case of many of the artificially produced hybrid "species" we see in the hobby today. The standard mechanism by which evolution brings leads to the formation of new species is much more complex than simply having 2 different species produce hybrid offspring (which in many cases are likely to be sterile).
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Well put
 
ReptileJay said:
I have to agree with you on this one... The statement you are referring to WAS rather ignorant... While it is POSSIBLE for new species to arise through the interbreeding of two different previously existing species, it is extremely unlikely in the case of many of the artificially produced hybrid "species" we see in the hobby today. The standard mechanism by which evolution brings leads to the formation of new species is much more complex than simply having 2 different species produce hybrid offspring (which in many cases are likely to be sterile).
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Ignorance is that bolded word for you in that massively contradicting sentence right there. Let's see: can you guy's sell me on "The Toothfairy" and/or "Santa Claus" too? Check on a little teeny thing called evolution, and the few billion year's it's been at it crossing stuff up to make the stuff we see today? lol.:thumbsup: C'mon guy's: pretty please, tell me you know the "stork" didn't just drop funky stuff on this planet and call it a good day?!:rofl:
 
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