My 1st Boa Breeding Attempt

[Twizted Paths]

You could cool her down real good so she is in a lethargic
state
She might snuggle up a little then

"Coldness ~ The date rape drug of choice for boas"

 

[mxracer4life]

Lol. Date rape drug, I love it! We have unlocked the secret of a "forced" breeding! We can make millions!

 

[Metachrosis]

Hopefully everyone takes that "cooling" in jest,
I dont do it or support it for any reason

 

[polasian]

Hopefully everyone takes that "cooling" in jest,
I dont do it or support it for any reason

You hear that Bell? That's why you weren't successful...because Sargent T doesn't approve.

Without further elaboration on how you came to that conclusion...the only thing that will be taken in jest, is "your post."

You do understand that cooling periods are implemented to stimulate the natural breeding responses of these animals, right? To encouraging captive snakes to breed, its helpful (more like necessary) to mimic the climate of their place of origin. Sure, some will have successful results without any cooling period...however those are the exception...not the rule. Mother nature makes the rules, we just abide by them.

Tell us your secret...how did you train your snakes to ignore this process which guides their instinctual response?

 

[Metachrosis]

I didnt learn how to play with snakes "After" I got a computer . . . .
You do it the REDTAILBOAKINGSNAKE.COM WAY and I will continue to do it the way I was suggested to way.

What worked pre 1995 still works in 2010

 

[Metachrosis]

Lest you could do is be a man about it all,twisting thread content
to suit your comprehension pretty common in "your crowd"

Dont drag Bell into your childish asshatsandbox

 

[Twizted Paths]

YAY! Debate

This may be my first time trying to breed, but I've been keeping boas for aboutish 13 years, balls & natives longer. I've kept both males and females. Both sexes have cycled themselves for breeding ~gone off fed, produced sperm, ovulated against my will.

Despite me jacking up ambient temps, keeping bright lights on, never turning down their hot spot & despite informing them that I am the Human & they will do as I bid.

I don't believe in cooling. I personally don't think it's safe or necessary for boas based on my own personal observation & research. Then again I don't keep my boas in a designated room or building with completely static temps either, they also all get hauled out of their ages to roam around (supervised) & when possible taken outside.

My breeding didn't fail from me refusing to cool, it failed because MiCara wasn't co operating & I refused to risk Fitz there by missing the window.

She ovulated and he was defiantly producing sperm censored: tried to breed my arm!) with out either of them being cooled.

...And ya'all can't both defend me from each other

 

[Metachrosis]

Well shit Nicky,dont guess she needed "defended" now did she ?
Anyway ...... thats whats cool about forums like Fauna
Fauna will always have its diversity and folks not real concerned whether you like their opinions or not.

I believe Bell(like myself) is "somebody" without snakes,nope our ego's are self made

 

[polasian]

YAY! Debate

I wish it were a debate, but he hasn't said anything about cooling, other than it being a joke.

I didnt learn how to play with snakes "After" I got a computer . . . .
You do it the REDTAILBOAKINGSNAKE.COM WAY and I will continue to do it the way I was suggested to way.

What worked pre 1995 still works in 2010

Yup...with the wealth of resources at my fingertips, I decided to take advantage of them. Owning a computer is not something I'll apologize for . Hey man, whatever works for you...and apparently that's "do it the way I was suggested to way."

Lest you could do is be a man about it all,twisting thread content
to suit your comprehension pretty common in "your crowd"

Dont drag Bell into your childish asshatsandbox

Twisting thread content by asking you to elaborate upon a condescending comment? The content in your post was lacking (to say the least)...not much to twist. Just like you calling me childish, following by asshatsandbox (its a rare talent for one to be hypocritical with just two neighboring words ).

"My crowd?" LOL...you seem very fond of grouping together individuals who don't agree with you...

Near impossible to reprogram the jaded reptile forum groupie
once their hard drive is etched.

then 6-8 months later you find the breeder has sold near 100 of the same thing and done banked another profitable year.Some folks are slow to catch on to shell games in the reptile biz.

Your holier than thou attitude is very apparent. Is that why you regurgitate those sentiments every chance you get?...because the "crowd" isn't worth your time? Or is it just a cop out because you cant substantiate your initial thoughts? You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

Well shit Nicky,dont guess she needed "defended" now did she ?
Anyway ...... thats whats cool about forums like Fauna
Fauna will always have its diversity and folks not real concerned whether you like their opinions or not.

I believe Bell(like myself) is "somebody" without snakes,nope our ego's are self made :

Mr. T...Bell can handle her own...she is the LAST person who would need defending, this I know . I simply wanted to be educated by you, the wise one (you know, since I do all my herp studies on forums ). I gave you a reason why cooling is relevant, and all you gave me was a bunch of bad grammar. Oh no...that's right, your reason for not cooling is because its was suggested to you. Soooooo grandpappy told you? That's it? That's your secret? Well, thanks for sharing...I'll be sure to pass it on to my kid.

Bell, I'm sorry for hijacking your thread (and for dragging another thread into this one)...I promise not to respond again, unless it has something to do with the topic.

 

[Twizted Paths]

Bell, I'm sorry for hijacking your thread (and for dragging another thread into this one)...I promise not to respond again, unless it has something to do with the topic.

May I remind you that you are now even more guilty than him of straying off topic & by making a huge post about his behavior that you have behaved in a very rude & hypocritical manner.

I have stated some of my reasons behind not cooling & instead of answering a single bloody one of them you chose to instead engage in a personal pissing match & drug a totally unrelated post into it as well.

You guys want to get in a pissing contest each other? I don't care, but do not use me or my threads as the pissing pole.

And his comment about cooling was addressed to me in my thread because he knows I view in it the same manner he does ~ detrimental to the health & well being of the boa & totally unnecessary.

 

[Metachrosis]

I dropped him in my ignore bucket so there will be no further dealings with . . . . . .

May I remind you that you are now even more guilty than him of straying off topic & by making a huge post about his behavior that you have behaved in a very rude & hypocritical manner.

I have stated some of my reasons behind not cooling & instead of answering a single bloody one of them you chose to instead engage in a personal pissing match & drug a totally unrelated post into it as well.

You guys want to get in a pissing contest each other? I don't care, but do not use me or my threads as the pissing pole.

And his comment about cooling was addressed to me in my thread because he knows I view in it the same manner he does ~ detrimental to the health & well being of the boa & totally unnecessary.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

You do understand that cooling periods are implemented to stimulate the natural breeding responses of these animals, right? To encouraging captive snakes to breed, its helpful (more like necessary) to mimic the climate of their place of origin.

I like you Nick, but that is an absolute falsehood. There are very well known and successful breeders out there that do not cool, and I'll go a step further and say that I know of one that keeps his flex watt running wide open all year round, and produces viable offspring every year.

Sure, some will have successful results without any cooling period...however those are the exception...not the rule.

Come on man, you're smarter then that. HEALTH is the number one contributor to a successful litter. Well, that and viable sperm. LOL Lots of other stimulants out there though. Light cycles, pheromones, feed schedules, temps, and letting them just be snakes have all proved to work. There is no set rule involved with Boa breeding, just guidelines. I only know of a few people who "have" to cool to get good results.


The human mind, a lot like a parachute, works much better when open.



Bell, you go for what you know. Even 5 million dollar a year ball players strike out occasionally. Your time will come.

 

[gsrept]

i always cool my boas 8 to 10 degrees in fall. when i introduce males to females in end of november the males always sit on top of females for about two weeks or so coiled in s shape and twitch then after the two or so weeks you will see copulation followd by ovulation then shed 10 to 16 days later this has always worked for me. but i also know breeders that do not cool and still get succesful pairings it is all in how you learned and what you feel comfortable in doing. good luck, hope for healthy neonates.

 

[Twizted Paths]

I dropped him in my ignore bucket so there will be no further dealings with . . . . . .

Thank you.

There are very well known and successful breeders out there that do not cool, and I'll go a step further and say that I know of one that keeps his flex watt running wide open all year round, and produces viable offspring every year.

There are not so well known ones who do it too. Like the guy that was old when I was a kid, he breeds every year & if you talk about cooling or power feeding he'll kick ya out of his store & refuse to sell to you

Took me months to convince him to sell me my first boa & I think I only got her because one of the employees was silly enough to let me hold her & I wasn't putting her back

HEALTH is the number one contributor to a successful litter. Well, that and viable sperm. LOL Lots of other stimulants out there though. Light cycles, pheromones, feed schedules, temps, and letting them just be snakes have all proved to work. There is no set rule involved with Boa breeding, just guidelines. I only know of a few people who "have" to cool to get good results.

The human mind, a lot like a parachute, works much better when open.

Bell, you go for what you know. Even 5 million dollar a year ball players strike out occasionally. Your time will come.

Thanks Rick, I figure it just gives her another year & that can't do anything but good for her

I'll have two maybe three girls going this year so my odds will be better. Of course with my luck they'll all take & I won't get to see the outside world again except for rat & paper towel runs

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

LOL I had two litters in '08. One of 35 live, and one with 21 live. I tell you what, when you work full time for a living, those measly 56 Boa neonates can really kick your butt good. I did nothing but whine like a little bitch that year. HA HA Ha

One litter at a time for me from now on. Unless it's the ones known for smaller litters, then I might go two. LOL

 

[Twizted Paths]

LOL I had two litters in '08. One of 35 live, and one with 21 live. I tell you what, when you work full time for a living, those measly 56 Boa neonates can really kick your butt good. I did nothing but whine like a little bitch that year. HA HA Ha

One litter at a time for me from now on. Unless it's the ones known for smaller litters, then I might go two. LOL

Yea, have to factor in their care on top of the guys I already have, getting the mommas back up to optimal, vet bills if something goes wrong, plus work, plus my human kid & then dealing with buyers & tire kickers...



All valid reasons I've waited so long to start doing this.

 

[Utta]

Yea, have to factor in their care on top of the guys I already have, getting the mommas back up to optimal, vet bills if something goes wrong, plus work, plus my human kid & then dealing with buyers & tire kickers...



All valid reasons I've waited so long to start doing this.

not to mention hold backs that you'll want then realize you don't have room for all of the 10 hold backs you wanna keep, the be extremely saddened when you have to let even MORE go

 

[Twizted Paths]

not to mention hold backs that you'll want then realize you don't have room for all of the 10 hold backs you wanna keep, the be extremely saddened when you have to let even MORE go

I can always make room, even if I have to start gorilla gluing cages to the ceiling

It's the amount of feeders I need that gets me, I hate rats & guinea pigs.

 

[mxracer4life]

I don't believe in cooling. I believe that boas that do breed when "cooled" or "cycled" do it in spite of the cooling, not because of it.

 

[Twizted Paths]

I don't believe in cooling. I believe that boas that do breed when "cooled" or "cycled" do it in spite of the cooling, not because of it.

Exactly