RJK890
Lone Wolf
I purchased a .1 Lesser and 1. Phantom from Steve as a Blue Eyed Lucy package.
I don't believe he ever mentioned that the 1. Phantom was an unproven line in the ad, but I could be wrong. It wasn't until after sharing my excitement about about my intentions to purchase them in chat that another member of fauna told me he was an unproven animal and may not produce a Blue Eyed Lucy.
When I asked Steve about it he told me that it was a CH import, but that he was sure that it is a genetic Phantom, and that it would produce a Blue Eyed Lucy when bred to the .1 Lesser.
Because the Ed Clark/Emily Cook thread was fresh, and I was nervous about receiving my first CH animal, I asked Steve if the CH Phantom had been treated for internal parasites and if he had fecal testing done.
Steve said "yes, he is clean inside and out," and said that you would send the vet report.
I received the vet reports several weeks after receiving the snakes, and after giving Steve positive feedback on the transaction. The vet report stated that the snake was treated with panacur as a precaution, but never stated that any fecal tests were done.
The report also stated that the snake had a "tumor" the size of a large pea in the cloaca area which Steve had not mentioned prior. I was kinda upset that Steve had not disclosed some pretty important information prior to the sale.
When I contacted Steve about it, he said that the tumor had been removed and that the snake had eaten, and crapped. He offered me a $100 refund(minus shipping fee's) if I wanted to ship the animal back to him. How's that for generous. He said that the history of the CH Phantom("Lucky") was all over the forums. Like it was my responsibility to have seen it, and not His responsibility to disclose it to me as a customer.
They both arrived with mites, and are the only two snakes in my current collection that have ever had them. Those two snakes were the only two animals in my 1-3 month quarantine room at the time, and were housed separately in rwo brand new 6qt. sterilite's on newspaper and a paper towel. That room is at a seperate location then my 3-6 month quarantine room, and my main collection.
I think it was wrong of Steve not to disclose the info. prior to the sale, but I know that he needed the money from the sale to fix the roof on his home. As far as the mites go, maybe he treated them but didn't break the egg cycle? From what I have read, that is common with CH, and even happens with CBB. It was the tumor removed from the animals cloaca that he did not tell me about that pissed me off.
I would not label Steve as a "bad guy." I am sure that he is not someone that makes a habit out of selling mite infested CH imports as breeders, without disclosing the fact that they have had tumors removed from their reproductive organs. I am sure I was just the lucky 1 in 1,000 customers that caught him in a tight spot where money was more important to him than his ethics. Maybe.
This is his consistent reply to me:
Take Care,
Rob Kelly
I don't believe he ever mentioned that the 1. Phantom was an unproven line in the ad, but I could be wrong. It wasn't until after sharing my excitement about about my intentions to purchase them in chat that another member of fauna told me he was an unproven animal and may not produce a Blue Eyed Lucy.
When I asked Steve about it he told me that it was a CH import, but that he was sure that it is a genetic Phantom, and that it would produce a Blue Eyed Lucy when bred to the .1 Lesser.
Because the Ed Clark/Emily Cook thread was fresh, and I was nervous about receiving my first CH animal, I asked Steve if the CH Phantom had been treated for internal parasites and if he had fecal testing done.
Steve said "yes, he is clean inside and out," and said that you would send the vet report.
I received the vet reports several weeks after receiving the snakes, and after giving Steve positive feedback on the transaction. The vet report stated that the snake was treated with panacur as a precaution, but never stated that any fecal tests were done.
The report also stated that the snake had a "tumor" the size of a large pea in the cloaca area which Steve had not mentioned prior. I was kinda upset that Steve had not disclosed some pretty important information prior to the sale.
When I contacted Steve about it, he said that the tumor had been removed and that the snake had eaten, and crapped. He offered me a $100 refund(minus shipping fee's) if I wanted to ship the animal back to him. How's that for generous. He said that the history of the CH Phantom("Lucky") was all over the forums. Like it was my responsibility to have seen it, and not His responsibility to disclose it to me as a customer.
They both arrived with mites, and are the only two snakes in my current collection that have ever had them. Those two snakes were the only two animals in my 1-3 month quarantine room at the time, and were housed separately in rwo brand new 6qt. sterilite's on newspaper and a paper towel. That room is at a seperate location then my 3-6 month quarantine room, and my main collection.
I think it was wrong of Steve not to disclose the info. prior to the sale, but I know that he needed the money from the sale to fix the roof on his home. As far as the mites go, maybe he treated them but didn't break the egg cycle? From what I have read, that is common with CH, and even happens with CBB. It was the tumor removed from the animals cloaca that he did not tell me about that pissed me off.
I would not label Steve as a "bad guy." I am sure that he is not someone that makes a habit out of selling mite infested CH imports as breeders, without disclosing the fact that they have had tumors removed from their reproductive organs. I am sure I was just the lucky 1 in 1,000 customers that caught him in a tight spot where money was more important to him than his ethics. Maybe.
This is his consistent reply to me:
Everyone except myself, who actually purchased the animal knew the history of that snake. You did not disclose the fact that he had a tumor removed from his reproductive area prior to the sale, and sold him as a breeder(and one half of a Blue Eyed Lucy package.) You also lied about having clean fecal test results.
Take Care,
Rob Kelly
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.) An apology would have been nice, but No. 
You and I both know you are full of it with this thread.