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My new beardie Viv......

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I recently got a 100gallon Viv for my oldest male and female. They will divide it. I can then move my hatchlings and split them up among the 20 gallons and the 30 gallon. I started decorating today when the glue dried. I ordered some plants from Black Jungle Terrarium Supply. The tank came from Glasscages.com and is Acrylic so they could ship it. I personally like them better cause it's so much lighter and holds heat well.
Everything else came from EBAY! cause it rocks. The 48" light was only 20 w/ship. the bulb was the expensive part!! I wanted a 10.0 for sure. The substrate is Bed-A-Beast cause my beardies love it and it makes planting things easier.
Enjoy the pictures! I use photoblogs cause i can't get the pics as small as the forums wants them. Imageshack rocks....
http://img242.imageshack.us/gal.php?c=930929b699a2800059564cfd76430851&g=setup1zd.jpg

Oh, and before anyone says anything, the small male is only in with Feng until tomorrow. I moved everything into my room and was trying to condense. Electric and space-wise!
-Sara
 
Sara,

that small dragon should not be in with the larger one, even for a few minutes... thats just asking to lose a dragon.

To the other one, the small one looks like a meal if it gets hungry and that has to be stressing out the smaller one. This is something that everyone I know advises against and far too many people have lost one do to it
 
I understand, They were moved today(technically yesterday). They are not that small in size and they have been kept together before. I am there to give them several feedings a day, so i haven't had problems with nips or hydration.
Thanks for the concern.
-Sara
 
beardies will mutilate clutchmates close to the same size, there is a big difference in these two....

If oyu have nothing else, but him in a tub or box for the night, not in with a dragon larger than him.. even id you had no problem before
 
No Worries

I think that your set up is fine. I am new to dealing with dragons and was told that keeping 2 at a different size was a bad idea and that keeping 2 males was even worst. I've had 2 males for 3 weeks now one is about 9 weeks old and the other 14 weeks and a pretty big size difference and Ive had no problems. They even seem to cuddle when they go to bed. The smaller one at first was scared and did all the submissive things you read about, but not anymore. Just make sure they dont miss a meal and I would think you would be ok.
 
prodigy9618 said:
I think that your set up is fine. I am new to dealing with dragons and was told that keeping 2 at a different size was a bad idea and that keeping 2 males was even worst. I've had 2 males for 3 weeks now one is about 9 weeks old and the other 14 weeks and a pretty big size difference and Ive had no problems. They even seem to cuddle when they go to bed. The smaller one at first was scared and did all the submissive things you read about, but not anymore. Just make sure they dont miss a meal and I would think you would be ok.
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You will find that may change when breeding season comes around or a female is within view.
 
Sometimes what I read online just makes me sit here with my mouth open in amazment........

You know, we do not say these things to entertain new people or be know it alls, we tell new people so they do not got through or put their dragons through the same thing we have seen many, many people do over the last dozen years.. because so often they do not know that the dragons will eat, kill or injure each other.

Of course you are free to ingnore that, or listen to another new person who "it works for them right now anyway". But, use your head ... look online, I know that right now alone there is someone on a Yahoo list bearded_dragon_community that has 4 dragons sub adults chewing on each other, someone on pogona list that had their baby dragon die when it was eaten by a slightly larger beardie and warning others, another site that is dedicated to a dragon named Hexxon that was eaten/injured and died by another dragon, my favorite female we wanted a sibling too and can not buy one as the another dragon took the leg off her father and he died. Even on Ray Hoser's site who is an Australian Herpetologist, and appeared in reptile magazine, field researchers report seeing a slightly larger dragon in the wild consumming one slightly smaller and the trama killing it. Thats just this week I can think of!!!

We do not make these things up to waste time online typing.... seeing someone advising or advocating doing it just amazes me!!!!! This gives a whole new meaning to animal abuse... knowing it happens, and the risk, but then doing it and advising others :::shakes head:::
 
I agree, Cheri! great post. Prodigy, you said you only had them together like that for 3 weeks? That is such a small amount of time to even make any assumtions that they will be fine together their whole lives. I would hope that you will seperate them right away, it would be devastating for you to lose one of your babies, or have one of them lose a leg, arm, whatever. I would hate for that to happen to anyone :( Why take any risks like that with the pets that you love?

One of my beardies, Kami, who is a year old now, was housed at the pet shop with 2 other beardies of the exact same size, all babies then. I work at that shop, and I know for a fact that they got fed a lot, and fed as much as they should. They were all doin great, growing great, and one morning we came into work and one of the beardies had eaten a foot, tail tip, and leg off of each of the other 2 beardies. So I adopted Kami and another employee adopted the other one, after they went to the vet a few times and were fixed all up. Kami is missing her back left leg from the knee down, as well as a significant part of her tail.
 
Charlie

Are you kidding me?

First you admit you are new to dragons ( 3 weeks).

Second, you were told keeping two different sized dragons together was bad and two males together was bad yet you go ahead and do both things you were told not to do.

Third. In your 3 weeks of vast experience (mis-experience) you are now in the position to advise other people to go ahead and make the same mistakes you are making because nothing has happened yet.

You have to understand we aren't bashing you because of what you are doing but it is harmful to allow misinformation to be publically posted without disputing it. Let me just state now. If you keep your two males together they are going to fight eventually. At that age the same sex pairing isn't as crucial as the size difference. You are fortunate that one has not killed or maimed the other. I want you to understand it is not if this is going to happen but when.
 
rujonesin said:
I want you to understand it is not if this is going to happen but when.
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That pretty much sums it up right there.

I hope you do what is right, and best for your animals. Give them seperate setups. You are only setting yourself up for future grief. Dont take risks with your animal's lives just because its easier or cheaper for you. I can't believe you think that 3 weeks will detrmine if something is going to happen or not....
 
I am so sick of all these forums where 10 people feel like they have to gang up and say the SAME thing to someone. Cheri said it, we all saw it, let people do what they want. She (and me) did our research, it is the nature of man you are fighting against and you will lose.
I am so done with these fricking fourms.
 
it is the nature of man you are fighting against and you will lose.
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no, too often it is the reptile that loses and it is not mans nature to put beloved pets in dangerous. I am sorry you feel that way, no one on here said what they did to harm you or your dragons, we all were trying to save you and the other poster some heartache and perhaps your dragons his life.
 
I dont see it as ganging up at all. The forums are here for people to give their input, their advice, and their help. Its more like other people agreeing that something is wrong, and trying to help that person. No one has to take any advice given on a forum, but maybe if they see that many different people also agree something is not right, they are more prone to fix it. We are all here cause we love reptiles and want every one to be healthy and happy without any doubts.
 
ive kept a 1 year old with a 7 months old once for like 1 week. but thats due to lack of cgaes for a short time. but they where the same size, maybe half inch apart. and i think the younger one was bigger! cant remember which one was alittle bigger but the small one was a german giant thats why he was so big. so thats why i put them together for a short time. same size. when i first started out with reptiles i had but 2 differnt size BD's together and found out it was bad. they didnt hurt each other but one basicly dominated the basking area. no one got hurt like bites or anyhting just dominance like puffing and other one running. so i seperated those. but this goes back a few years. ive become very knoligable since then. well hope there ok and seperate as soon as possible. as soon as you see one dominating or trying t o push the other around even if you dont have the cage yet. buy a rubber maid for a few bucks and put him in there for the time being.
 
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