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My new Savanna

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Here are a couple pics of my baby. Not sure male or female yet.still very skidish and runs fast ! This is its set up for now.I will add a couple things but i read they are from the sands in Africa,so i have it looking like it.I think.
temps are around 122 hot spot and 85 cool end,not sure what the temps are in rocks under the light.He likes it there and comes out and basks.But as soon as he hers me coming through the door he runs.

Any help on the set-up would be appreciated. i will make it bigger when the time comes.He is tiny looking in this for now.
I wanted a BT but they are illegal in NY.
 

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From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna "Tropical and subtropical savannas are classified with tropical and subtropical grasslands and shrublands as the tropical and subtropical grasslands, savannas, and shrublands biome. The savannas of Africa, including the Serengeti, famous for its wildlife, are typical of this type."

You can read the whole article, or perhaps use an image search feature in your favorite search engine, but the savannahs of Africa are lush green paradises for large parts of the year. Savannahs aren't deserts. Your monitor would do best with deep, sandy/loamy soil capable of holding a burrow and humidity. He'll need about 24 inches of soil as an adult. A couple hardy plants would be nice as well, grass-like plants being optimal. He'll need at least a microhabitat in the enclosure where the humidity is in excess of 80%, many monitor keepers whose monitors live longer than 5 years will suggest having a relatively large portion of the enclosure have high humidity.

Other than looking too dry, the enclosure looks good in terms of temps, water dish, hides, etc. Dump a couple bags of topsoil in there to mix with the sand and I'd say you're looking pretty good. You could also raise the basking temp to 130-150, but it is a little debatable about how hot a temp you should provide them when they're little.

If you're looking to "tame" him, try tong feeding him. Whatever you do, don't forcibly handle him. It'll probably take a couple months, but if you are patient and always let the monitor dictate the terms of your interactions, he'll willingly come over to see what you're up to. Keep in mind he'll probably never get "puppy dog tame" unless you make him obese, cold, and otherwise unhealthy. Mine is happy to come over to me when I'm in or near his enclosure, but he only tolerates handling on occasion, and once in a blue moon he'll grab some bit of me or another to see if I happen to be edible THIS time.

Enjoy the monitor, they're neat captives.
 
Thank you for the valuable info and link. I will read this for sure.
He does have a hide with wet moss.He has shed once and so far pretty clean shed.I didnt have to pick any off..
 
Here's another link from someone I know of from another couple forums: http://savannahmonitor.co/

The site gives savannah monitor care a pretty even-handed overview, even on some of the more controversial topics.

Expect your monitor to be in nearly constant shed for about the next year or so... mine kept himself dirty and in shed, so getting to see him clean and vibrant was a pretty special treat.
 
Thank you again Michael. I will be putting soil in there on Sat. I'll have to cook it all though. this guy is in my boa room and i dont want any issues. Or i will fill fish tanks and cover with saran wrap to cook the dirt.
I will also throw in a few plants and some type of ornamental grass.
when i get it done i will post new pics of the set up.
 
Are there any diseases i should worry about from the Savi? I would hate to get my boa's sick from keeping a Savi in there.
any info on this would be great.
 
So i got bags of soil for my Savanna and need to know if theres anything in it that i should worry about my little guy getting that would make him sick.
Bacteria or parsites?
Thanks guys.
 
I wouldn't worry about bacteria or parasites in the soil. Pesticides and fertilizers yes, but any 'bugs' you'll introduce will probably do more good than harm. When you're dealing with the amount of dirt monitors need it is a good idea to get a biological clean-up crew in there, including worms, pill bugs, and other organisms that help consume waste.

As for your boas... I wouldn't think they could pass any diseases between the two. Your best bet would be asking on a boa specific forum to see if anyone there has heard of any issues.
 
Savi getting quick soak

New pics of my Savi growing slowly. i hope i am doing it right. He/she only gets fed every couple days. only a pink once a month. i am feeding Dubia,meal worms and doesnt like. Tried scrambled eggs and hard boiled.Doesnt eat it.
So for the most part,it eats dubia. What other foods do you suggest
 

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Most invertibrate feeders will work, night crawlers, mealworm/superworm beetles, head-on shell-on shrimp, whole crayfish, locusts, etc. Pretty much any whole, unprocessed invertibrate, is a go. Silversides (a feeder fish) are also acceptable. In all cases avoid frozen food items, they typically contain a preservative called trisodium phosphate; it is considered deadly for reptiles.
 
Thanks again for the info.
Do you think he is a bit skinny in the tail section? with my beardies back some years,fat tails were a good sign. This guy seems to be showing his tail bone?
 
He's still very small. I would not expect him to start building up any fat reserves until he hits a total length around 2, 2.5 feet. That ridge on the top of the tail is supposed to be prominent. If it isn't then you've got a problem (obesity).
 
Why is it in the sink? Please tell me you are not force handling that baby.

Thanks for posting the link Mike appreciate the plug!
 
Thanks Mike once a gain. I have been doing some reading on these guys since getting him and have not come across the back bone issues. Glad to know. I dont want to over feed like most of the Savi keepers in the general public.
He has come a long way since getting him/her. He doesnt stress as much when going into his pen. In the beginning he would just bug. I think its getting used to me,slowly.

Wayne,he was not bought to be played with or handled. He's in the sink due to me having to re do his pen.. He was ok with the handle for a bit,Then got puffy a bit.
SOMETIMES,we have to force handle our reptiles to make the best for them.
If i didnt force handle a couple boa's we have here,i would not be able to clean cages.
He was not hurt! Or stressed for more then a couple min. If i didnt have to handle him,i wouldnt have.
But thanks for the concern for him/her.
 
Thanks Mike once a gain. I have been doing some reading on these guys since getting him and have not come across the back bone issues. Glad to know. I dont want to over feed like most of the Savi keepers in the general public.
He has come a long way since getting him/her. He doesnt stress as much when going into his pen. In the beginning he would just bug. I think its getting used to me,slowly.

Wayne,he was not bought to be played with or handled. He's in the sink due to me having to re do his pen.. He was ok with the handle for a bit,Then got puffy a bit.
SOMETIMES,we have to force handle our reptiles to make the best for them.
If i didnt force handle a couple boa's we have here,i would not be able to clean cages.
He was not hurt! Or stressed for more then a couple min. If i didnt have to handle him,i wouldnt have.
But thanks for the concern for him/her.

Addressing what you have said in order...

When properly supported, it's nearly impossible to overfeed a baby Savannah Monitor, I have never "regulated" how much mine eat, and they can pack away the chow like crazy. I have seen feeding session where they would consume an entire litter of baby rats, 2 dozen night crawlers, 3 dozen crickets and a handful of Dubia, and still want more.

The key is proper caging, With a nice hot cage, with a toasty basking spot and lots of things to keep occupied, they burn calories faster than an ADHD kid on a sugar buzz.

The link that Mike gave you is my site, and it is not only recommended by the top names in the monitor circles, but is revolutionizing the way people think of Savannah monitors in general.

The typical slow moving football with legs seldom live past a couple years, and that situation saddens me.

A well set up enclosure that meets the animal's requirements should be fully Bio Active, meaning it never needs to be cleaned.

I can literally watch the feces disappear in 48 hours or so as the bacteria and bugs consume it and enrich the soil.

So far, The male will walk up onto my arm, out the front and onto my lap and he even lets me pick him up. The female on the other hand will bite, hiss and tail whip in an instant. Pursuant to Daniel Bennett's personal observations in the wild, this is typical of the species, The ladies don't take chances.

I do apologize, but I do not frequent this forum as often as I should, but running around the internet looking for new owners is time consuming, and it makes me happy that great folks like Mike are out there pasting up links to my site.

I have subscribed to this thread to ensure that if you should have any questions or concerns, I shall receive an email that you have posted.;)

set that Sav up right, you will have a great primeval pal for years to come.

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Thank you very much for this. I do care about all my animals i own. When getting a new type i try and get all info i can,from anyone i can.But getting right from the best source is GREAT !
Right now his basking spot runs about 140 ish. The cool end(where he deficates) is about 84 and gets warmer the closer it goes to the light. His droppings do not really go away until i scoop.I can turn my habitat into a living pen. I have all sorts of hp lights( grow lights) And fluorescence.
His basking light is an out door flood or spot light. I can also use self ballasted Mercury vapor lights.
My boa room runs around the 84 all year.He does hide under his stacked rocks a lot.
I am going to try the worms as i have collected many from my compost pile.He seems to be picky on the feed items,except Dubia or pink rats. His previous owner say he ate eggs also,but he wont here.I haven't tried soft boiled yet.
I will go to thte link tonight and read your info.
Thank you. I really appreciate it.

Can i use outside garden dirt in his pen? Is there anything in the dirt that is going to harm my boa's which are in the same room?
Ps,His pen right now is about 5' x 3'
 
depends on what you have ever put into your garden, if you have used strong fertilizer or pesticides of any kind, I would not advise it.

I did nothing special to get bio active, I shoveled up some nice loamy dirt from out back by the creek that is mostly runoff silt that collects over time forming a clay like dirt that holds burrows well and maintains humidity too.

Fall is coming, so rake up some nice maple/oak leaves.. they go well inside an enclosure.

little bugs and bacteria are beneficial to your enclosure, as thats what makes it bio active.

Varanids (Monitor Lizards) have an immunity system far superior to even humans, as they can find rotting carrion on the ground and welcome it as a free meal with no ill effects at all.

The monitors that get sick and die are a result of poor caging, the heavy stress reduces the ability of their immunity.

However, the brunt of deaths occur from organ failure, as they slowly dehydrate.

This occurs through breathing, since they have no pores, they cannot sweat and they don't urinate. Urates are passed as a chalky white mass in the feces.

Think of it like this, in the winter you can see your breath, that is moisture exiting your body. all Squamates (Lizards and snakes) have specific humidity requirements governed by evolution as to where they are from. Meaning that if you keep a rain forest herp in air thats too dry, it will not survive very long, keep a desert animal in a damp box, same thing.

Savannah Monitors are from a range in Africa that has several months of rainy season, and several months of drought, During the rainy season, there is very little sunlight, and during the dry season there is very little moisture.

This is why deep burrows are so important, it is the necessary tool they use to conserve body moisture, since for obvious reasons there is not much opportunity to drink during the drought season, so they retreat into the burrows and ride it out.

If you have ever noticed, basements are typically dank, damp places even on the hottest summer day, and the air is heavy (suspended water molecules)
this is the air that Savannah Monitors breath most of their lives.

When people keep them in hot cages with air leaks, the humidity burns off and escapes through the cracks, and now your lizard is inhaling dry air, and every exhale releases more of the animals internal water supply.

The process is slow, my last Savannah monitor took five years before his kidneys failed, his uric acid was no longer being filtered out of his blood, gout set in, and he died.

This is the fate of 99% of every Savannah Monitor exported from Africa.

Once an enclosure is sealed up with glue/caulk, rubber gaskets, etc.. and the humidity cannot escape into the room, you will find humidity readings from 60% to 90% without any misting.

Many folks wonder about air flow, so I will say this, how much air flow can there be down in a 3 inch wide hole a yard down? Since the cage door will be opened up daily, the air exchange from that is plenty.

When these conditions are met, the diet becomes a lot less important, as long as it is whole prey, meaning blood, guts, bones and brains, the animal will thrive.

sorry for writing a book, it made me think though.. I should make this into another page for the web site.:eek:

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I've been gone a long time but see that I can still offer at least a tiny bit of advice on this. I always fed my babies proper sized meals DAILY. If you're not feeding daily that could explain the slow growth you're experiencing.
Once baby hits around 12 months old then you can adjust according. I've raised bosc monitors from all stages. Some were fed every other day, others everyday. I allowed them to tell me what they needed. All monitors are gluttons. At least healthy one's in my experiences.
The key to feeding daily is proper portions.
Hope this helps. :D
 
Thank you for the advice. He is doing well and i added some other meals to his diet.
He loves the worms i dig up !! Maybe more then the dubis.
 
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