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Bad Guy Mythical Dragonz - Stay Away!

Just found this one as well in my trash folder...

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RE: Leucistic MaleWednesday, February 9, 2011 5:24 PM
From: "STeven Walker" <[email protected]>Add sender to Contacts
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I really don't give that information out. The reason being my Fiance was trained by a vet for this but if we where to tell you how to do it and you where to dose it wrong it would be our butts. There may be something about it on www.BeardedDragon.org. Check the Forums. We will worm him for you before he ships if you are interested. Let me know I got an offer on him but it's low.

Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:12:13 -0800
From: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Leucistic Male
To: [email protected]

Can you tell me how to administer the pancur and what the dosage is??
 
Jeff Kennedy said:
So a couple of days back, they posted a really nice looking Leucistic dragon that I inquired about. I had read the majority of the bad postings so my first email to them informed them that I had read all of the negative comments about their business, but not actually being involved with any of them, wanted to play devils advocate and hear their side of the story. What I got back from them was an email basically labeling all of the successful dragon breeders "crooks" and "Steven" went on to tell me that the top breeders are just trying to run the smaller breeders out of business because they can't keep up and are putting themselves out of business. Yeah, whatever. Anyways, I go in to this transaction with the mindset that immediately upon receipt of this dragon, I will take it to my vet to have a fecal done and an overall physical. Taking the cost of this into consideration, I began bargaining with "Steven" in regards to a price on the male. After obtaining my zip, he shoots back a price that is reasonable, however considering at least an $80 vet bill on top of it, I decline and offer him $25 less then what he offered. I then made mention of the vet check and was then informed by "Steven" that his fiance' had studied under a vet and that they have a $500 microscope and that they routinely do fecals on all of their dragons and that they medicate them for parasites every 6 months. He then went on to advise me that this male was due for his normal de-worming in 8 days and that they would go ahead and do so for me. I never asked for this and would have preferred them not go on and medicate. Instead, I asked for the instructions on how they administered it and some other pics other then the ones they had posted. I get an email back saying that he can't disclose the dosage information to me and I then get a series of pics with the dragon and some white liquid substance coming from his mouth. I am told that this is the panacur dosage that they went on and administered to the dragon anyways. I then went ahead and bumped my offer up $10 less then what they had proposed and I didn't hear anything until this afternoon. I get an email telling me that they were running on generators and that they would get back with me shortly. At this point I am assuming that I am waiting on payment info, however in the end, I guess they were backtracking and nervous about me taking the dragon to the vet to have tests done as soon as I received him. I send another email asking for a reply about the dragon and receive an email telling me that it was SOLD. Hmmmm.... that's a little odd don't you think? When I send them an email back inquiring how it all of a sudden became SOLD when I was awaiting payment info all morning, he sends me an email back saying that I wasn't nice to them and that they didn't want there dragon to go to me. Give me a break!!! Not one word that was ever exchanged was mean. I gave them the benefit of the doubt the entire time and gave them a chance to prove themselves. In the end, they become uneasy with what I might find out about the animal that they sold me and they back track and try to put the blame on me!!! STAY AWAY PEOPLE!! How are they still able to post on Fauna when they conduct business like this?!?!?!?
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Typical criminal mind set to label "everyone else" as a thief or bad guy. Its the same way her ex use to do his business. No surprise she picked it up from him.

Thats been the first words out of stevens and nicoles mouth, they have a high powered micro scope with all the trimmings.
BUT, lets really look at it for what it is. They have a 10 second car and a 17.5 second driver. You can have all the tools you need to be successful, but if you dont have the training. Its nothing more than time and money spent, to fail.
Why do you think the number one problem with nicoles dragons is there care???

And who the HELL treats a dragon on a whim. Why treat a dragon every 6 8 months? Im confused? If its not sick why treat it? If its not broke, dont fix it.
I heard of the flu shot, but this is not proper care.

White stuff coming from the dragons mouth??? That would convince me its healthy :rolleyes: That is a typical nicole action. While steven is still clueless in the living room.

Jeff, be glad that you got to learn the lesson before it became a real problem. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!
 
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Jeff Kennedy said:
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RE: Leucistic MaleWednesday, February 9, 2011 5:24 PM
From: "STeven Walker" <[email protected]>Add sender to Contacts
To: [email protected]
I really don't give that information out. The reason being my Fiance was trained by a vet for this but if we where to tell you how to do it and you where to dose it wrong it would be our butts. There may be something about it on www.BeardedDragon.org. Check the Forums. We will worm him for you before he ships if you are interested. Let me know I got an offer on him but it's low.

Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:12:13 -0800
From: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Leucistic Male
To: [email protected]

Can you tell me how to administer the pancur and what the dosage is??
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I was pretty sure you can look these dosages up on the web. OR get them from a vet. All you have to do is say " i am treating a dragon for "whatever" and ask for a dosage chart. Say you lost yours if they give you a hard time. But I doubt it...

Jeff,
you were getting to involved. An when you said you have read all the boi stuff. They knew you would be trouble if something went down. So she went the smart road and got out of the sale before she got in trouble. Again. But we will see them again. Probably before summer. I am betting on spring time.
 
Still digging through my trash folder trying to find emails..

Here's another...

RE: Leucistic MaleWednesday, February 9, 2011 4:57 PM
From: "STeven Walker" <[email protected]>Add sender to Contacts
To: [email protected]
He would not be for sale if there was an issue. I am looking through his records and he has had no bad fecal's. I can have my fiance do another fecal on him and I will worm him with panacur if that would help you feel any better? He is due for her 6 month worming in 8 days anyway's. The only problem I have ever had with him is ever once in a while he will get Male Beardy PMS (attitude) and he will give you a shitty look and puff his beard. That's only happened a hand full of times over the 1 1/2" years we have had him. I can do $175.00 Shipped on him I am only charging you for half of the shipping. He would come in a 12 x 9 x 5 with at least two heat packs. Three if needed we do not skimp on heat packs or insulation ever.
 
Jeff Kennedy said:
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see thats sad. And the white stuff can be anything on its lips. Dried calcium powder. Or another white substance.

also this picture only proves nicole is working BY HERSELF.... right hand holding the shirt, left hand takes the picture.

Wheres waldo... I mean steven???

But he is the one who does all the work now. Because nicole is sick.:rolleyes:
 
Here's the last one that I can find...

I couldn't find all of them, more importantly the one about the $500 microscope. I know that it was mentioned but I guess strike it from the record as I cannot back it up with an email.

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Just took them sitting on my fiances chest; he's a lover. White on his lips is panacur we wormed him for you it was close to time to do it anyways.
 
Redstormlax12 said:
Funny thing is I contacted them tonight about buying this exact beardie. I was really excited about picking him up. I hadn't seen this though. They told me they just sold him, in a very blunt email.
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Someone asked earlier how these people stay in business?? THIS is how!! I don't understand how with ALL the decent, honest, true GOOD GUYS out there that offer quality animals and great service to back them up, why take a chance on someone with this kind of reputation????
 
My interest was

only about this particular dragon. I have been in constant search for a large male with the orange around his eyes like that. I also loved his underbite. I had read the reviews and had armed myself with the info and like I said, if purchased, he was going to go straight to the vet to be analyzed and treated if need be.
 
I wasn't aware of their reputation at the time so no need to get on my case about getting a beardie from them. If I want to take the risk its my perogative. That being said I in no way support bad guys like this that mistreat their pets. Honestly it disgusts me and the only reason I would get him now would be to rescue him, but then comes into play the aspect of giving them business through "rescuing" an animal.
 
Thanks for posting those Jeff. I didn't doubt you, but someone may come along who does. Now they can't.

I have a microscope too. Does that mean I'm trained at spotting the MANY things you see under them, ID them, and then prescribing the proper meds, dosage, and length of treatment for my animals? HA, not by any means.

Actually, I do have the know how, but I still let the pro's do it for me, because they are actually TRAINED to do it, where I picked it up as a minor hobby long ago. Big difference. I also know better then to treat animals with medication as a maintenance, because I'm smart enough to know the harm that can cause. Personally, I wouldn't buy ANY animal if I knew it had been maintained like that.
 
Jeff Kennedy said:
Sadly we where scammed. A small group of what we call the "Big Shot Breeders" have been trying to run small breeders off. We sold a Red Female to one of them not knowing of this and they tried to claim she was sick with all these vet reports. We found it odd they did not show any information like dragon name gender color. So we called the vet it turned out they took a Yellow Male to the vet while our dragon was a Red Female.
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Small group of "Big Shot Breeders"? Can't quite say I fit that group, as the dragon I purchased from Mythical Dragonz was my 4th. If that makes me "Big Time" in her eyes then so be it.

As far as the color of the dragon, I could easily match pictures against the picture she posted in her ad to prove they are one and the same. Unfortunately she removed the ad (still dont understand why you remove instead of adding "SOLD" to it as even then it would still be an advertisement for you?).

And Nicole, please stop the lying. I have pointed out numerous ocassions where you have tripped yourself up in a lie. Interested to hear why my vet would tell you the dragon that was treated was a Yellow Male when I do not even own a Yellow Male. Maybe since you thought I was a "Big Time Breeder" you assumed a Yellow Male was a given. Sorry Nicole, once again, your lies are your downfall. There are names for people like you...
 
Thanks again for the BOI.

I was considering purchasing a beardie from these two. Thought I would run a BOI search, didn't even have to do a search, I came across this recent thread. I read a few pages, skipped to the end, read the last few pages. Wow.

I wonder how many sales they lose over this kind of crap?

Bad guys just dont realize how much better things would be, if they would just be good.
 
Jeff Kennedy said:
only about this particular dragon. I have been in constant search for a large male with the orange around his eyes like that. I also loved his underbite. I had read the reviews and had armed myself with the info and like I said, if purchased, he was going to go straight to the vet to be analyzed and treated if need be.
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But why would you knowingly help keep the bad guys in business? There are so many good guy that could use your business and deserve your business.

I'm not picking on ya.... just dont understand the mindset.
 
I've been keeping the good guys

in business. It was THIS particular dragon. Believe me. I kicked it around for days before finally emailing them and being point blank with them about my intentions upon receiving it. I figured that it probably wouldn't go my way and that I would more then likely spook them but I wanted this guy bad. Had he not had some pretty unique coloring and the underbite, I would have never considered but I simply loved the way that this guy looked. If you know of any other sellers that has one that looks like this, PLEASE, point me in their direction!!
 
I dont deal in beardies... so I dont know who has what. I do know that you couldn't pay me to buy something from Nicole/Steve. There are a few other sellers I feel that strongly about as well.
 
Jeff Kennedy said:
in business. It was THIS particular dragon. Believe me. I kicked it around for days before finally emailing them and being point blank with them about my intentions upon receiving it. I figured that it probably wouldn't go my way and that I would more then likely spook them but I wanted this guy bad. Had he not had some pretty unique coloring and the underbite, I would have never considered but I simply loved the way that this guy looked. If you know of any other sellers that has one that looks like this, PLEASE, point me in their direction!!
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Please tell me you only wanted this genetically flawed animal as a, "cool looking pet" and not as a breeder.
 
Yes

A cool looking pet. I know the underbites are frowned on by a lot of people. I think it worked for him. I think I've said all I can say about that. Now, can we move on??
 
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